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[Arijharn]

Okay, I have to admit, I laughed at that last bit. That probably makes me a terrible person.

[dragonavicious]

Oh my gosh. You do realize that part of what makes an argument valid is the willingness to listen to the opposite argument? All I have seen is you talking in circles and refusing to accept or acknowledge anyone elses opinion, finally resorting to insults if they do make a lasting impression or valid point.

Think about it, if you can't put yourself in the shoes of the "enemy" how are you going to be able to fight them? If you constantly, and solely, think from your perspective, no matter how adamant you are, you will eventually be defeated because they will be thinking outside the box and you will be stuck inside it. I'm just saying, if you want to argue, argue well.

Although I gotta say, if anyone has a chance against the Reapers it would have to be you. Stubbornness and refusing to admit defeat are probably the top two qualities necessary to survive such tough conditions and bring down such monsters.

And I mean all of this in the nicest way.

[SandTrout]

Right, because you ignore any evidence I produce that supports it.

You are the only one ignoring evidence. We have accepted your basis that eezo exposure is likely going to cause ecological damage. You have ignored our evidence that the damage will not be severe enough to justify abandoning Earth and/or surrendering to the Reapers.

What are they going to use? Their bare ****ing hands? The eezo won't be laying around for you to pick up.

Don't act like Fixers0. Manpower will be used to operate the necessary equipment, and build it if necessary.

One technology does not necessarily imply another. Humans being able to travel interstellar distances does not mean they have any practical ability to clean up every microscopic grain of pollutant.

Incorrect. The use of eezo does imply at least some level of technology to clean up contamination. Also, we do not need to clean up "every microscopic grain" of eezo. Cleanup would focus on methods to capture/neutralize the largest portions of contamination, as well as isolating crash sites, or preventing landfall of orbital debris. All that is necessary is to reduce contamination to levels that will not cause catastrophic damage to the ecosystem. Increased, but not catastrophic, levels of eezo contamination are a reasonable expectation.

It is not our lack of scale that is limited, it is your lack of technological comprehension, especially since the technologies that I just described already exist.

Like I thought, you are only thinking of humans and not other organisms which have much higher birthrates. A single human generation is thousands of generations for a fly, or an ant, or a bee, or a mouse, or a stalk of corn. Do you get it now?

You have actually demonstrated a keep failure in your understanding of natural selection and evolution. Organisms with higher birth rates actually adapt faster than organisms with a longer generational cycle. Not that the most wide-spread animals are those that breed quickly, allowing much more mutational trial and error in a given period of time, and exploding populations once adaption is achieved (IE: Rats, cockroaches)

As the ecology of Eingana is energetic and aggressive, this
makes colonization a deadly peril.

Your own source points out that the planet remained habbitable. There have been numerous extinction events in Earth's history, and life persevered. Even a worst case scenario would not justify abandoning Earth.

I cited specific cases in which humanity was able to overcome disease and die off in spite of the environment.

Which doesn't prove anything pertinent to our discussion.

It proves that even major ecological stressors that would be roughly on-par with your proposed eezo contaminantion have not been adequate to cause the extinction of the human species. Also, around that same time geologists have discovered a large amount of volcanic ash in sedimentary rock that suggests that a cloud of volcanic ash large enough to cool the Earth significantly caused increased crop-failures and famine around the world. Still, humanity persisted.

I create a run-down scenario of why Earth=/=Eingana, based upon what I know of human history in the face of widespread distruction and catastrophic contamination.

You haven't made your case. All you've done is miss the point and ignore any evidence that contradicts your position.

Untrue. We have cited your evidence, and while accepting the premise of ecological damage of eezo contamination, we have cited separate evidence as to why the result on Earth would not be as catastrophic, which you ignore because you have no evidence of catastrophic eezo contamination on a world inhabited by a species that comprehends what it is dealing with, only one garden world with no sapient inhabitants.

[Bogsnot1]

I see Saphra is still resorting to name calling, when he/she isnt shouting "LALALALALALALALALA I'M RIGHT! YOU'RE ALL WRONG!"
I have already said how we can beat the Reapers, without the nasty Eezo contamination that Saphra is convinced will bring about the end of the world, with dogs and cats living together in unmarried sin.

Bogsnot1 wrote...
We can beat the Reapers. IFF mission has already shown us we can easily destroy the Reaper Mass Effect core.
The combined military forces of the galaxy would easily be able to provide at least 5 strike teams per Reaper. Give each strike team an M-490 Blackstorm.
Destroy Mass Effect core, launch black hole at remains to suck up Eezo dust.

Both problems solved. Go home and crack open the beers.

[Someone With Mass]

Just because that eezo exposure had such a bad effect on one planet doesn't mean all of them will have the same outcome.

[Ianamus]

The truth is that if you couldn't beat the Reapers no matter what then the game would be pointless, and have no replay value.

If you seriously think that one planet description will stop Bioware from writing an ending where we can win then you are seriously misinformed. Casey Hudson has pretty much already confirmed that there will be endings in which we beat the Reapers, and that is what they are going to implement.

No amount of nit-picking is going to change that.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

I see Saphra is still resorting to name calling, when he/she isnt shouting "LALALALALALALALALA I'M RIGHT! YOU'RE ALL WRONG!"
I have already said how we can beat the Reapers, without the nasty Eezo contamination that Saphra is convinced will bring about the end of the world, with dogs and cats living together in unmarried sin.

Bogsnot1 wrote...
We can beat the Reapers. IFF mission has already shown us we can easily destroy the Reaper Mass Effect core.
The combined military forces of the galaxy would easily be able to provide at least 5 strike teams per Reaper. Give each strike team an M-490 Blackstorm.
Destroy Mass Effect core, launch black hole at remains to suck up Eezo dust.

Both problems solved. Go home and crack open the beers.

LOL...so exactly how you're gonna get those teams onto fully functioning reapers?
You think they will just let you land? You think they won't have any defenses?



Hm...not to say there isn't some merit to this idea. But getting the people onto the reapers would be the first problem. Getting to the core and blowing it up would be hte second.

Trying to use ships and shuttles would end up in a massacre. IMHO, the best way would be to just launch people in space suits.
There would be spread out, too many to shot down and in msot cases they'll be harder to detect and will seem less of a threat (since it would look like it's just people being sucked out of a destroyed ships by vacuum).

This isnt' likely to work either, unless in massive numbers.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:26 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Just because that eezo exposure had such a bad effect on one planet doesn't mean all of them will have the same outcome.

Well I guess we're all going to find out, huh?

Considering that two kilometer long warships are landing all over the planet's surface, some eezo leakage is the least of our concerns, because I don't think humanity will recover from the first problem anytime soon.

Not to mention that we don't know if a certain planet can recover from a eezo exposure or not.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:31 .

[Bogsnot1]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
LOL...so exactly how you're gonna get those teams onto fully functioning reapers?
You think they will just let you land? You think they won't have any defenses?

Hm...not to say there isn't some merit to this idea. But getting the people onto the reapers would be the first problem. Getting to the core and blowing it up would be hte second.

Trying to use ships and shuttles would end up in a massacre. IMHO, the best way would be to just launch people in space suits.
There would be spread out, too many to shot down and in msot cases they'll be harder to detect and will seem less of a threat (since it would look like it's just people being sucked out of a destroyed ships by vacuum).

This isnt' likely to work either, unless in massive numbers.

A few small shuttles while the Reapers are being distracted by dreadnaughts and cruisers would be the best way to land them as a cohesive unit, with the "paratrooper" plan you described as secondary backup should they be able to target small ships with their tentacle guns. Internal defences would more than likely comprise of various husks which the fire teams should be able to fight off, and having a few fire teams spread out over the Reaper taking different angles of attack would increase the chances of one of them being able to slip through to do the job.

Nice to see you at least considering the merits of the plan, unlike a certain narrow minded, unimaginative chicken little thats posting in here.

Saphra Deden wrote...
I wonder why militaries in Mass Effect don't already use this novel tactic? Maybe because it is dumb and would never work.

They havent used it because they havent faced Reaper before.
Once again, you are shoving your fingers in your ears and going "lalalalala" and relying on name calling. Face the facts. You have been proven wrong time and time again, and not once have you come up with a rational exlpanation as to why your doomsday scenario is the one and only possible outcome, and anything else will lead to crys of retcons, plotholes, and other associated whinging from your direction due to your inability to think outside the box.

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Considering that two kilometer long warships are landing all over the planet's surface, some eezo leakage is the least of our concerns, because I don't think humanity will recover from the first problem anytime soon.

Right. The point is to point out to everybody just how bleak the picture really is.

Man, you're always such a downer...

But it's true, the situation is pretty bleak...
That however makes me even more curious to see what the devs have thought out to solve these problems...

[Bogsnot1]

Saphra Deden wrote...
The Reaper isn't going to be sitting still waiting for you to board it, seeing as it will be taking evasive action to avoid being hit too much. It also has plenty of close-range weaponry that will annihilate your shuttles in a single hit. Assuming you get a shuttle close, what do you dock with? They're not just going to let you in.

Reapers are arrogant and over confident. It is within their very nature to be so. For however long the cycle has been in operation for, they have not lost. They would not be worried about shuttles, the same way certain warships were not worried about kamikaze pilots until they realised too late, thath self sacrifice was the intent.
Are you able to cite any sources for it close range weaponry at all? So far all we have seen in the various movies are the plasma beams it shoots from the end of its "tentacles". Post a link to a source, or movie and quote the time ref, and I'll take it into consideration. Even then, it would have to spread its focus between the multiple incoming shuttles, and the dreadnaughts and cruisers who are currently hitting it with the heavy ordinance.

It's not an efficient way to destroy a Reaper.

Compared to the methods you are postulating, where we just bombard them continually with dreadnaughts, or blow up relays, its a surgical strike. That makes it extremely efficient.

What makes you think your teams will even have any way to get to the mass effect core assuming they can get inside? The only reason you could get to it in ME2 was because Cerberus had conveniently built you pathways there.

What about Saren and the army of Geth that were onboard Sovereign? I suppose you're going to argue that the Geth hollowed out Sovereign, and not accept the fact that the Reapers have internal access tunnels, so that their indoctrinated servants and husks can be billoted within, ready for deployment if and when they are neded.

What difference does it make if it is a Reaper or a turian dreadnought?

Our own military history has many examples of this form of attack being performed, ranging from the 16th century through to today. There is no reason at all why it would not remain a viable tactic in another 200 years. 

No wonder you paint such a bleak picture, you have no idea of military history, and absolutely no concept of military tactics.
You ignore all logic and reason, and when you are backed into a corner, you start insulting people by calling them stupid, clueless, dumb, or idiots.
I suggest you avoid all further disappointment, and not buy ME3. You know that beating the Reapers by tactics that are obviously beyond your ability to comprehend will just aggravate you, stress you out, and send you into a rage that will have you positively screaming "RETCON! PLOTHOLE! BIOWARE BE CHEATERZ!!!11!!"

[Subferro]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What makes you think your teams will even have any way to get to the mass effect core assuming they can get inside? The only reason you could get to it in ME2 was because Cerberus had conveniently built you pathways there.


What difference does it make if it is a Reaper or a turian dreadnought?

The crew also adapted the cabin to make it easier for them to work, no need for platforms when there's no gravity in the hull. (Soverign =/= a counter point, all we saw was clips of Saren in the "bridge", the conditions there don't have to exist naturally in other parts of a Reaper)

And Turian dreadnoughts generally have Turian crews, who else was on Soverign besides Saren? Oh right, Benezia and any Geth he brought on board with him... no mention of an endogenous crew.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Your argument has not been misconstrued, it is just not accepted.

Right, because you ignore any evidence I produce that supports it.

SisterofShane wrote...

The man power is on the planet itself.  Duh.  Even if not every individual citizen doesn't participate in cleaning up, you bet most people will.

What are they going to use? Their bare ****ing hands? The eezo won't be laying around for you to pick up.

SisofShane wrote...

You're wasting everyone's time by forcing me to invent ways to use the technology in a fictional game.

Yes, it was a stupid request and I made it to prove a point. Namely that dismissing the account of the mass extinctions on Eingana and then demanding that I definitely prove the eezo was responsible, is ridiculous. I can't physically go to Eingana and conduct my own investigation. The narrative account in the game, the planet description, is all any of us have to go by. We have no reason to believe the description is not accurate.

Now I, of-course, can think of methods for cleaning up eezo. However none of them are going to clean up the entire planet in a timely manner. That's simply because the Earth is a huge place and even if you have unlimited money and resources it will take a long time to build the necessary tools and infrastructre to clean up the planet.

You have no sense of scale.

One technology does not necessarily imply another. Humans being able to travel interstellar distances does not mean they have any practical ability to clean up every microscopic grain of pollutant.

I could take your mentality and demand to know why crime still exists, or substance abuse. After all, if we have technology that lets us slap a gel on wounds and heal them how can we possibly still be susceptable to addictive substances? Isn't there a magic pill we can take to be free of addiction? Why are we still stuck making addictive substances in the first place? Shouldn't we be able to make drugs that have no risk of addiction?

What you are trying to imply humanity, or any civilization, should be able to do is just impractical. I'm sure the planet can be (mostly) cleaned up but it will take years, maybe decades, and a lot of damage will be done in the process. Even just evacuating the human populace (which won't happen) would take that long.

Deploy mechs, deploy people, great. You've proven time and time again that you don't have any sense of scale.

SisterofShane wrote...

But, back to the argument at hand, no.  It wouldn't be many, many generations.  Two, maybe three.

Like I thought, you are only thinking of humans and not other organisms which have much higher birthrates. A single human generation is thousands of generations for a fly, or an ant, or a bee, or a mouse, or a stalk of corn. Do you get it now? 

SisterofShane wrote...

Nothing to suggest that Eezo messes with soil composition, or that it would be toxic at all to anything already living at the time of exposure.

Here it is again.

Eingana

... is a hot, beautiful, and deadly world, covered with the debris of
ancient starships. Approximately 127,000 years ago, a series of battles
were fought over it by two organic species, the thoi'han and the
inusannon. Although no records of the conflict remain, most historians
agree that both races wanted to colonize Eingana, and neither were
willing to share. The two lost hundreds of ships in a series of battles
over Eingana and its moon, Barraiya; many of these were eventually
pulled in by the planet's gravity well.
The mass effect drive cores of these ships broke apart, dumping
refined element zero over large stretches of the landscape. [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">THIS ]A [/color]WAVE OF EXINCTIONS FOLLOWED. Many of the
animal species that remained showed a tendancy to develop biotic
powers. As the ecology of Eingana is energetic and aggressive, this
makes colonization a deadly peril.

Please note the underlined, bolded, and all capital parts.

Hmm, I wonder what caused those extinctions? I wonder what poisoned the environment? I think it might have been the refined eezo that they specifically said [color=rgb(255, 0, 0)">POISONED ]A [/color]WAVE OF EXTINCTIONS.

That's your evidence that eezo is a hazardous substance when introduced into a foreign environment.

The other evidence is are the cancers and birth defects that some human victims of eezo exposure have suffered.

SisterofShane wrote...

And I believe the saying is closer to "Too much of anything can *kill* you".  Not poison.  I can't be poisoned by laughter. Or sound waves.  It's too ridiculous to think about.

Laughing too hard for too long can make it a bit hard to breathe, no?

Sound waves gradually do a number on your ear-drums. It's seniors are often hard of hearing.

Even drinking too much water can kill you.

There's another saying, "Any substance in the right quanities is a poison."

The inverse is also true. Substances which are commonly believed to be highly lethal can actually beneficial in small doses or when applied to the right areas of the body.


I disproved the toxicity level of Eezo would be enough in and of itself to cause extinction.

No you haven't.
  
I cited specific cases in which humanity was able to overcome disease and die off in spite of the environment.

Which doesn't prove anything pertinent to our discussion.

I create a run-down scenario of why Earth=/=Eingana, based upon what I know of human history in the face of widespread distruction and catastrophic contamination.

You haven't made your case. All you've done is miss the point and ignore any evidence that contradicts your position.

And your final argument is that Earth will be contaminated to the point of no return.

Also, I never said this so stop repeating it.

If it feels like you are beating a dead horse, that would be because you are.

More like I'm beating on a particularly stubbron mule. (hint: you)

You continue to argue the same points over and over again, yet fail to prove to anyone beyond a reasonable doubt that this is the only acceptable theory, because the entire basis for your argument is flawed.  You cannot possibly come to this conclusion based on ONE example of ONE planet, and not take into account all of the variables in an entire GALAXY(HUNDREDS OF PLANETS AND MILLIONS OF YEARS OF HISTORY).

It's as if you observe one bird eat a worm, and then start shouting at the top of your lungs that "ALL BIRDS EAT WORMS!!!", without realizing that there are many species of birds, as well as different environments, and different everyday circumstances and situations that birds have to adapt to, all of which would effect the dietary habits of birds.  If this were a court case, you'd better hope that the jury (audience) is as stupid as you continue to remind me that they are, because that is the only way your theory would be accepted.

All of this aside, you are grossly misinterpreting the purpose of the codex, which on the screen of the game states that the purpose of the codex is to provide "NONESSENTIAL DATA" concerning the world of Mass Effect.  It is meant to provide background, that's all.  And the story on Eingana ( for those of us who understand the purpose of literature) was provided as a cute little way of making us think "Was it the starships that caused extinction, or the REAPERS?". Look at the data within the codex, two species (now extinct) were battling en masse in orbit of a planet where all life suddenly went extinct, around the same time the Reapers were probably sweeping across the galaxy.  The only reason why the codex states anything about the mass effect cores is to illustrate that popular opinion at the time of the game is that Reapers do not exist, therefore this is what we theorize caused the widespread extinction of the planet.  And that's exactly what it states in the codex, that the entire story is only a THEORY.  You know, as in NOT proven to be true.

So, Chicken Little, you can't tell me the sky is falling and expect me
to believe it because you felt a small piece of it hit the back of your
massive, ego-inflated head.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...
In fact, there's an example on Ilium that works against you argument. There was another space port other than Nos Astra, but it was contaminated by microbes from another world. They got into the environment and wound up poisoning it so badly the port had to be abandoned. Tell me, why couldn't they simply purify the land again? Why did a technologically sophisticated society have to abandon the region completely?

Here's the reference:

Nepyma

Tidally locked to the star Zelene, Nepyma[/b]
has the expected "hot pole" and "cold pole". Along the terminator is a
thin band of nearly habitable terrain. Unfortunately, the local
biosphere]] is based on a chlorinated oxygen atmosphere. It is not
sophisticated, but it has proven highly dangerous.
The asari
surveyor Verallas landed on Nepyma in 1684 to study the local ecology.
Unbeknownst to the crew, a handful of native chlorine-fixing microbes
passed through biohazard screening and entered the ship. The Verallas
returned to the port of Nos Parnalo on Illium, where the Nepyman microbes escaped into a temperate environment with plentiful unused chlorine.
The microbes devoured the chlorides in the earth; as metabolic
byproducts they produced toxic polychlorinated biphenyls (PCBs). By the
time the infestation was contained an area of nearly 30 square
kilometers had been effectively turned into a toxic waste dump. Nos
Parnalo had to be abandoned, accelerating the development of Nos Astra.

So does this lend my argument some more credibility? Here we have an example of an environment being poisoned by foreign contaminents. We see that it can't be cleaned up. Mind you, this is an area far smaller than Earth.

While a good example, it actually lends more credibility to our arguments.  The Microbe was a fast acting, living organism, released on a planet that had perfect conditions for it to flourish.  At the same time, a small group of Asari were trying to study and develop a colony on a planet that had a "band" of habitable area (not even the whole planet).

So, once again, there is really only one similarity to Eingana, which would be a massive die-off.  And the reason why the planet was abandoned was that so much damage happened in such a relatively short amount of time that it made the colony unsustainable.  This would not happen with Eezo.  It does not "react" to an environment,  once settled it does not continue to spread, or grow.  It just sits there.  It's not comparable to a microbe because there would be nothing to "contain". Nor does it immediately "toxify" the planet.  We would just immediately start damage control.

Also, the Asari were able to eventually stop the damage, albeit too late.  Similarily, however, the Asari were probably at the same developmental stage in their civilization that we are in now -- beginning to explore and colonize other environments.  We just have the added benefit of all the innovation and technology of a galactic community.  So, imagine if the Asari had the knowledge of the Salarians at the time of this contamination -- is it not possible that they would have been able to contain the situation much faster and mitigate the damage?

Also. this planet would be more suited for comparison to one of our colonies -- if at such an early developmental stage, that one of our colonies were exposed to your doomsday scenario of massive Eezo contamination, I would agree that we would have to abandon it.  But we're not talking about a colony, we're talking about a fully populated and developed planet.  If a comparable microbe was released onto Thessia, I doubt it would do enough damage for the Asari to consider abandoning their planet.

What many of us have been trying to illustrate is not that the Eezo contamination wouldn't happen. We're not saying that there isn't a possibility that Earth may be lost.  Only that there are too many variables to consider when it comes down to the survival of our species for us to entertain the idea of a complete surrender because another Eingana "might" happen.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

*waits for inflammatory remarks from saphra*

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...


You've got a lot of confidence in that mythical clean-up crew of yours. Confidence born of ignorance, I might add (hilarious Sovereign joke). You've got no sense of scale and thus no appreciation of the time and effort it will take to achieve this.

One day the Earth will recover, partly from natural adapation, as well as from clean-up efforts.

In the mean-time, the ecosystem will be thrown into chaos, devaluing the worth of the planet purely from an economic perspective. It will be an unhealthy place to live due to the inflated numbers of birth defects, cancers, and any other possible negative effects. All in all, a catastrophe.

You have made a case that hinges on your vague plans to somehow clean up an entire planet in so timely a manner as to make the ecological impact of all that pollution negligable. It's absurd. It's stupid. It's uninformed.

For me to entertain that the idea of cleaning up the planet would as a ridiculous, unnattainble idea, I need data.  One, I need to know for certain that the Eezo would be sitting around long enough to do wide-scale and unmitigatable damage.  Exactly how long does it take for Eezo to completely kill off surrounding life?  A Few Years?  Decades? Centuries?  It would have to happen quickly enough that no matter how fast we work, what technology we employ, that extinction-scale die off would happen anyway.  There is no data to support either way, so we might as well work to try to save our planet, instead of throwing our arms up in the air and say "Oh Well".

And you claim that it would be, merely from economic stand point, be a total loss.  If this were the case, then why were real world places like Cherynobl and The Alaskan coastline and the gulf coast cleaned up?  I'm sure if you talked to the people in charge, they would agree with you and call it a total economic loss.  I'm sure it would have been easier to just contain the accidents to keep it from spreading and seal it off.  But somewhere down the line, there was enough pressure, either from humanity or governments or what have you, to begin salvaging what we could of the environment, and continue to salvage it, because the environment itself was deemed just too valuable to lose.  And there is evidence of this in game as well.  For the quarians, it might be easier to just colonize a new world, and yet they still entertain the notion of defeating the Geth and taking back their home world, because popular consensus believes that it is just too valuable to give it up, even if it just sentimentality.

Can you imagine the billions of people (survivors) just giving up on their lives and their property just because it was deemed an "economic loss"?  There would be huge amounts of pressure for the governments of Earth to at least attempt to clean it before declaring it a loss.  Besides having to convince people that it is a loss, you would also have to compensate a lot of people for the cost of giving up their property and moving somewhere else.  You can't just tell them to leave, give them nothing to start their new lives with, and expect them to just accept that.  That would be astronomically costly, and probably cause all the governments of Earth to default.  At this point in time, it is just more economically reasonable to attempt to save our planet than to move everyone somewhere else.

Even if it was declared a loss, a complete and total evacuation of earth would be nearly impossible.  Look at the situation of the Hanar and the Drell.  Out of billions of Drell, only a few hundred thousand were evacuated.  How many people would we be able to rescue?  How long would it take?  What happens to the people who cannot be evacuated, or who refuse to leave?  They would be left there until they either died off or managed to make the environment safe enough to continue to live in it.  The very idea of rescuing an entire planet is ridiculous.

And while I may have no way to appreciate exactly how massive a scale this cleaning operation would be (which, apparently in all of your infinite
wisdom you do), you have absolutely refused to appreciate how the technology of
this fictional future would only benefit us in this situation.  In a
future where we can shield ourselves from the vacuum of space with a
barrier that still allows solid matter to pass through it, travel faster
then light across an entire galaxy in star ships designed to create
fields of dark energy (if you think this is simple look up the theory
behind anti-matter and how difficult it is for us to create even just a
few particles of it in our present tech state) and that any organic
thing can be genetically enhanced, altered or EVEN reanimated from death
(despite the cost), it's entirely possible that HUGE advances have been
made in the field of "cleaning". It's stupid to imagine that we would be out there cleaning up Eezo with shovels and wheelbarrows. Honestly, you're asking us to take a
larger leap of faith accepting that Eingana was destroyed solely by Eezo
contamination then I am in asking you to believe we will have the tech
to clean it up.

Worst case scenario?  If we have defeated the Reapers and Earth is destroyed to a point where the human civilization is doomed to extinction, well, at least things will be better for whichever civilization grows from our ashes.  And our Legacy will be to be remembered as Heros of the Galaxy, who managed to stop an ongoing cycle of extermination against all odds.  Sounds a lot better then being liquefied and processed, then having all trace of our existence erased so that it can happen again in fifty-thousand years. 

Romantic notion, maybe, but IMO a helluva lot more INTERESTING and a better story than submission.

[Sisterofshane]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

*waits for inflammatory remarks from saphra*

Really, I'm not really arguing my viewpoint.  I'm trying to see how many ways Saphra can call me stupid.

[DDG4005]

Not only can the Reapers be defeated my Soldier-class Shepard will pop caps in all of their metallic a**es.