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[Praetor Knight]

xares23x wrote...

or humans could turn our worlds destruction into our strength like the krogans did and evolve into some of the best warriors in the galaxy

with many more biotics.

[ThanesSniper]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SJK93 wrote...

Wouldn't we all die being processed to become a Reaper to begin with?

Well... yeah, you will. Your genetic material will survive however.  That's better than the nothing that will survive if you refuse the Reapers' offer.

If your genetic material surviving lets your species spread its legacy, then tell me which Reaper from the fleet was born from the Prothean's DNA. It's hard to spread a legacy if everyone identifies you as a Reaper and not a Human or Asari or Krogan or Prothean.

Modifié par ThanesSniper, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:04 .

[ThanesSniper]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

If your genetic material surviving lets your species spread its legacy, then tell me which Reaper from the fleet was bron from the Prothean's DNA. I

None. The Protheans weren't worthy. They couldn't build a Reaper.

Humans can.

Source?

[JediMaster_Murph]

xares23x wrote...

or humans could turn our worlds destruction into our strength like the krogans did and evolve into some of the best warriors in the galaxy

krogan as individuals are strong( because of evolution, not their worlds destruction), krogan as a race...weak as **** even with wrex

Modifié par JediMaster_Murph, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:09 .

[Nashiktal]

SogaBan wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

SogaBan wrote...

Guys, it was too much for me to digest! However, the logic stands apparently correct and though attracts arguments but can surely go upper-hand with any. One idea came into my mind; as much as foolish it may sound, why can't the Citadel species (Alliance, Turians, Asari, Salarian, etc.) create a hybrid hero(s) cultivating the best genetic traits of all species - say the hybrid creature (or for that matter Shepard) will be having the Charge, Tactical Cloak, Adrenaline Rush, Singularity, Drone deployer, tech armor and all other tech + biotic powers combined together in a single creature and make an armies of such clone. That way I hope we are sure to win the war against the Reapers and beyond. And well did I forget to mention that this army of hybrid commandos/shock troopers will be entangles in a quantum way thereby granting them a unified mind to fight in unison.

Becaise that would be an abomination, not a hybrid. Genetics doesn't work like that, and the powers that shep uses are not genetic and require training.

All of this takes time and resources the universe doesn't have, and even if they did have time would not be feasible.

I hope it's safe to assume that to fight an abomination you need another abomination. If I am not wrong I remember - Cerberus doesn't need a hero, they need a one-man army. I presume their thoughts are not illusive at all.

Besides, when you say Powers require training; admitting that I have to say - for example - the Asari species much much less cooldown time for the next shot to be released because they are genetically biotics; the Salarians having an accelerated Metabolic Rate can think and process information much faster than other species, though short-lived.

Being a professional of bio-technology, I do know that at least in current trend the genetics "doesn't work like that way" but then again in that light of Logic it's a fools dream to even daydream of implanting L5 implants in humans to raise thier biotics prowess!

What I am saying is not that Rome will be built in a day BUT given the advancement (courtesy of Prothean tech), it's not that difficult to figure out something like that or even close to it. And well, I am obviously not omitting the training part, of course!

By abomination, I meant it would not be able to move, and would probably be screaming at someone to kill it because its in pain.

Not the lovecraftian kind of abomination.

And no, you can not create a hybrid. The closest thing would be to engineer something that can do what all the species can, but thats not a hybrid. Its an engineered species. Which, you can not do in time for the reaper invasion, and would not help fight giant space ships.

Really its a space battle, not a ground war. If you can't control space, it doesn't matter if you have an army of super soldiers.

[marshalleck]

ThanesSniper wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

If your genetic material surviving lets your species spread its legacy, then tell me which Reaper from the fleet was bron from the Prothean's DNA. I

None. The Protheans weren't worthy. They couldn't build a Reaper.

Humans can.

Source?

Mass Effect 2, lol 

Modifié par marshalleck, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:13 .

[Kane Corr]

So many people are asking for sources and links all of a sudden on these boards....lol.

[TexasToast712]

Sheesh, you are such a pessimist all the time. You need to lighten up some, lady. Kick back, get a massage, have a drink then come back and write something happy.

Modifié par TexasToast712, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:19 .

[ThanesSniper]

marshalleck wrote...

Mass Effect 2, lol 

What what what? I missed that then. My bad. Still doesn't change my original point that nobody would be able to distniguish the Human Reaper from the others unless they went inside its shell. Thus giving our "legacy" no meaning.

[littlezack]

Whatever method there is to defeating the Reapers, I doubt it involves brute force. They seem to have that covered too well.

[littlezack]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

Source?

Mass Effect 2.

To be honest, though, do we actually know for a fact that the Reapers didn't make a Prothean Reaper? We assume that because they turned Protheans into Collectors, but that doesn't nescessarily mean that they didn't make the Reapers into Protheans, just that turning them into Collectors was one of their purposes.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

ME 3 needs to open up with Blue Oyster Cult's classic "Don't Fear the Reaper." Or it would at least be amusing if it's playing in the background as Reapers are eating London.

[JediMaster_Murph]

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

ME 3 needs to open up with Blue Oyster Cult's classic "Don't Fear the Reaper." Or it would at least be amusing if it's playing in the background as Reapers are eating London.

i just want that song somewhere in me3 it would make my day

[ThanesSniper]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ThanesSniper wrote...

Still doesn't change my original point that nobody would be able to distniguish the Human Reaper from the others unless they went inside its shell. Thus giving our "legacy" no meaning.

Who cares whether scurrying organics can distinguish us? We'll know what we are and where we came from. That's all that matters.

Well, that's pure specualtion that we'll still be able to think or recognize that we were once human. But like I said earlier, you can play the game your way. If your way involves letting the Reapers win, who am I to judge.

[Nashiktal]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Sheesh, you are such a pessimist all the time. You need to lighten up some, lady. Kick back, get a massage, have a drink then come back and write something happy.

For you to say that, you must not know Saphra.

Honestly Saphra's views are refreshing. We already know we can  win from a meta perspective, Saprha's posts are usually in an "in universe" view. She is looking at things without the player knowledge, like in her previous thread "we can't defeat the reapers."

Saphra makes good points, even if she can be a bit abrasive at times.

[Massadonious1]

Yeah, no thanks. My genetic legacy is dying with me. I've always been the kind of person that believed that death was preferable to being turned into a zombie/vampire/Borg/etc., and I certainly wouldn't approve of this, especially if I don't even get the option of still "living" in a state of undeath or automation or whatever.

[GoG ToXiC]

Nashiktal wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Yes, but the advent of kinetic barriers removed the necessity of clearing the debris. If our planet was about to die, I'm sure the people of earth would be more than willing to spend fortunes saving their planet. It's kind of like diabetes. When insulant was developed, it diverted huge amount of money away from finding a true cure. Kinetic barriers did the same thing. It was no longer necessary to clear the debris from our atmosphere. If our ships didn't have shields, do you think we wouldn't be spending huge amounts of money trying to clear the atmosphere so that our ships can fly safely?

You missed the point of my post mate. I already said kinetic barriers protect ships from debris. What I said was that we simply CAN'T clean our atmosphere.

Sure we can clean out the big pieces, or the full husks of ships. But the smaller bits? (Smaller being relative here) Its just impossible. Its not a matter about safety of ships, its just you would not be able to match the speed of the debris to clean it. It will either stay in orbit, or enter the atmosphere.

And as the description of the planet seems to imply, element zero doesn't seem to burn up in the atmosphere easily. Eath is already a polluted mess. Its just going to get worse now.

Even if the reapers don;t pollute the earth with element zero... the thousands of alliance ships massing over earth will.

I don't know enough about the technology in Mass Effect to respond to your first two mini-paragraphs, but I can respond to your statement about earths polution.  I'm not sure if you've read the ME novels, but in revelations, it talks about the leaps in technology caused by discovery of the prothean ruins on Mars.  We gained all sorts of technology analyzing the ruins, including technology that allowed us to pretty much eliminate polution on earth.  The planets probably in far better shape during the events of ME, then it is right now.

[marshalleck]

New plan: save collector base, blow up Reapers, use Reaper-tech to become superpowered posthumans that can survive in a radioactive eezo post-apocalyptic wasteland. My Shepard is already growing out his mohawk and attaching armor plates to a BDSM suit.

[Ryllen Laerth Kriel]

JediMaster_Murph wrote...

Ryllen Laerth Kriel wrote...

ME 3 needs to open up with Blue Oyster Cult's classic "Don't Fear the Reaper." Or it would at least be amusing if it's playing in the background as Reapers are eating London.

i just want that song somewhere in me3 it would make my day

My thought is that Bioware could easily sneak it subtly into a cutscene, maybe in a gravcar in the background with the song on the radio as a Reaper comes down and crushes it. Just a two or three second bit of the song would be hilarious to hear. Any more would make the joke too cheesy.

[Praetor Knight]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

I don't know enough about the technology in Mass Effect to respond to your first two mini-paragraphs, but I can respond to your statement about earths polution.  I'm not sure if you've read the ME novels, but in revelations, it talks about the leaps in technology caused by discovery of the prothean ruins on Mars.  We gained all sorts of technology analyzing the ruins, including technology that allowed us to pretty much eliminate polution on earth.  The planets probably in far better shape during the events of ME, then it is right now.

According to the Codex entry, parts of Earth at least.

Earth is still divided among nation-states, though all are affiliated beneath the overarching banner of the Systems Alliance. While every human enjoys longer and better life then ever, the gap between rich and poor widens daily. Advanced nations have eliminated most genetic disease and pollution. Less fortunate regions have not progressed beyond 20th century technology, and are often smog-choked, overpopulated slums.

Sea levels have risen two meters in the last 200 years, and violent weather is common due to environmental damage inflicted during the late 21st century. The past few decades, however, have seen significant improvement due to recent technological advances.

[JG The Gamer]

The OP is clearly indoctrinated. I get the feeling once we're melted down or blown up, the last thing we'll be caring about is humanity's legacy in the millions of years to come.

[Rahmiel]

You make some assumptions in your post that I cannot agree with. You also bring up some good points.

It is true that we do not know of a place of importance to the reapers, however that does not mean one does not exist. So it may be possible to force them into a confrontation away from Earth. Assuming one exists is much like assuming one does not, so.. meh.

You also assume that Reapers are built like the space ships of the comparatively primitive races engrossed in that battle above Eingana. As Bogsnot brings up, Sovereign did not appear to cause sections or a ward of the citadel to close off. Although, the citadel is also run/maintained by reaper tech, so this does not mean Earth will be fine as well. However if you look at other wrecks, and the derelict reaper, it's possible for ships to be destroyed/killed in space and not have them disintegrate. Furthermore, we see that Reapers can "die" yet maintain their mass effect cores. These are discrete cases, but the only ones we have access to.

To say we cannot/should not attack the reapers near Earth for fear of eezo contamination I believe is irresponsible. However, where your case does pick up some steam, would be that the reapers would destroy so many vessels, that those galactic forces vessels may poison the Earth's environment. Then again, vessels could have special precautionary systems to prevent such spills.

I do not feel that you have proven the case that the reapers cannot be beaten. We have thwarted the Reapers in two games now, just by ourselves. How can you not think the reapers are beatable with an entire united galaxy? Furthermore, you also have to prove that the human legacy would live on in reaper form. We have no information regarding what post-"ascendance" is like. From everything we've seen from the Reapers, they do not seem to be individuals. Aside from a different voice, Sovereign and Harbinger seem to act the exact same, and have the same goal.

You bring up some good points, but those seem to be based on assumptions that are pure conjecture. For that, I cannot agree with your conclusions.