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[100k]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

[quote]100k wrote...

Not exactly. A CAIN can leave HEAVY scarring on walls, floor, and pillars in game. [/quote]

Whoop-iddy-do.

It is still a personal, man-portable weapon. It is not even close to the kind of weaponry mounted on a star-ship.[/quote]

True. But what it lacks in power, it makes up for in mobility and precision -- each of which is key to a Reaper core explosion of eezo. Why? Because a Reaper, the most intelligent and powerful spaceship in the galaxy, isn't going to allow its drive core to be destroyed in a ship battle -- or it will use every logical defense it has to protect that from happening. And this kind of cruiser v.s. Reaper conflict has been happening for at least 300 million years.

Sometimes a spec of dust is what it takes to bring down a mountain.


[quote]100k wrote...

If we beat the Reapers, wouldn't it be logical for us to do what every great civilization does after a war: clean up?
[/quote]

Bulldozer full of sand. Hand-shovel.

[/quote]

My point is that it is premature to assume that at least one of the races, even the Alliance, doesn't have the means to clean up this kind of mess. If Shepard lol-rapes the reapers in ME3, then the races will have time, technology, and the ability to clean this kind of mess up. And I'm betting that the asari, the race that specializes in ezzo, is fully capable of helping out. Maybe with some pointers of their own.

[Praetor Knight]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hold on, my point is...

Bulldozer full of sand. Hand-shovel.

So the sand is for the Arena floors?

[Bogsnot1]

We dont need to use anything as powerful or long range as that. See my previous posts about surgical strike teams.

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Which one of these straws will you grasp at next?

[100k]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Again, proving our theory, that it is possible for a Reaper to be disabled without obliterating it's core and sending Eezo flying everywhere.

Arijharn already established that so sorry--

Yeah, this thread is done.

[BrotherCorvid]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hold on, my point is...

Bulldozer full of sand. Hand-shovel.

So the sand is for the Arena floors?

The sand is for Samara, whose eezo animal power is that of the crab.  She'll burrow in it and wait for the Reapers to do some tanning on the beach, and then?

She's gon' pinch'em up.  Pinch'em up real good.

The Reapers actually don't stand a chance.

Modifié par RobotWalk, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:52 .

[Bogsnot1]

Super Eezo-animal Friends, starring
Lobster Shepard
Bear Liara
Black Widow Kelly
Froggy Zaeed
Burrowing Owl Garrus
Snake Miranda
Starfish Kasumi
Worm Morinth
Jacob the Hedgehog
Crabby Samara

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

How do you know our colonies will be safe?

Because if we defeat the Reapers at Earth, then any remaining colonies would be safe.
And the Reapers would have to defeat at least one of our major colonies (Earth, Mars, Shanxi) to find the data they need to complete their mass extinction, because they failed at the citadel to sieze control of our records about the locations of all of the colonies around the galaxy. So for them to start at our lesser colonies would get them nowhere, and probably leave them open to damage from defenders.

Or they could go back to your OP's theory and play planet hop-scotch, hoping that they can find us all and obliterate us before they would sustain any damage from the combined forces of the Galaxies (remember we aren't the only ones fighting back here).  Because that sounds exactly like what an advanced race of hyper-intelligent, arrogant machines would do to maximize efficiency. ( Note: Sarcasm)

Alternatively, they could split up their fleet, meaning we would probably go to them to try and wipe out only parts of their navy while we can (better battle tactics, we stand a better chance at winning against only a part of their fleet).  That would probably mean that either portions of our force would be gone (meaning less Eezo to rain down and "mutate" all of us), or that the Reapers would be so engaged in other parts of the galaxy that they never make it to Earth at all (which we know isn't true - damn demo!  It's so much fun to speculate!).

So if we manage to defeat the Reapers, there's a a slight chance in my favor that some of our assets would remain.

[Praetor Knight]

100k wrote...

I'm so tempted to play that movie now, or maybe Shaun of the Dead

[100k]

Saphra Deden wrote...
yeah, but they aren't invincible. We've seen that already. Remember when Sovereign went kabloowy?

And I never said anything otherwise. What I said is that, in space combat, a Reaper will do what any smart species will do: protect it's drive core. The result? The Reaper might die, but the drive core will probably survive because it is so heavily protected.

Hold on, my point is--

Bulldozer full of sand. Hand-shovel.

No. Your point was that destroying the Reapers = destroying our atmosphere. 

My point is that destroying the Reapers =/= destroying our atmosphere (in most cases). 

And you admitted that this point was probable.

[BrotherCorvid]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Super Eezo-animal Friends, starring
Lobster Shepard
Bear Liara
Black Widow Kelly
Froggy Zaeed
Burrowing Owl Garrus
Snake Miranda
Starfish Kasumi
Worm Morinth
Jacob the Hedgehog
Crabby Samara

You beat me to it-- I was just compiling that list.

Alright, so to round out the squad, we have:

Wrex, with the powers of a chameleon!
Ashley, with the mind bending abilities of a pygmy marmoset!
Kaidan, the man who can fly-- like a bat!
Grunt, the Amazing Shark-Boy!
Thane, the lizard man, who is ALSO a buffalo!
James Vega, with the ferocious bite of the dachsund!
And Jack, with the soft-hearted tenderness of a deer!

But the squad needs a soundtrack playing CONSTANTLY.  And Legion is a robot.  A robot with SOUL.  So I think Legion will get the powers of an iPod.  His job will be to play smooth sax jams like Careless Whisper on repeat for the squad to fight to.

Maaaan these Reapers don't stand a chance.

Modifié par RobotWalk, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:06 .

[Praetor Knight]

RobotWalk wrote...

The sand is for Samara, whose eezo animal power is that of the crab.  She'll burrow in it and wait for the Reapers to do some tanning on the beach, and then?

She's gon' pinch'em up.  Pinch'em up real good.

The Reapers actually don't stand a chance.

Ah.

Red sand I see.

Where's Niftu Cal when you need 'um.

[Sisterofshane]

Praetor Shepard wrote...

I was trying to find a clip on the Federation's new secret weapon... the Shovel.



But I thought this little number would be better for morale, ''it's a good day to die"...

Lol, like Mystery Men?

The Shoveler, alongside Shepard, could save the Galaxy!

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Again, proving our theory, that it is possible for a Reaper to be disabled without obliterating it's core and sending Eezo flying everywhere.

Arijharn already established that so sorry, you don't get any credit.

You're making a lot of assumptions anyway though. Not only the place, but the time may be important. I'm going to bet anything on always being able to hit a Reaper and disable it without blowing it up. We may not always have the opportunity, especially when we are fighting for our lives.

We also won't be using weaponry as powerful (or long range) as the round that did that.

We may have to take any shots we can get, regardless of where on the Reaper they are.

Don't need credit.  It's enough for me that you admit that maybe your argument has some flaws.

And I'm not the only one making assumptions.  You are as well.  That's the point of calling these "scenarios" or "predictions".

The difference is that I have a lot of evidence.  And support from my fellow "thread"-ites.

[Praetor Knight]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Lol, like Mystery Men?

The Shoveler, alongside Shepard, could save the Galaxy!

Actually, I haven't watched Mystery Men yet. Although I think I should.

I meant a shovel for trenches. Paul Verhoeven had a neat little media break in Starship Troopers 3 on it, and I was a tad surprised that Youtube didn't have a clip!
(Or I didn't use the right perimeters for a search! )

[Bogsnot1]

RobotWalk wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Super Eezo-animal Friends, starring
Lobster Shepard
Bear Liara
Black Widow Kelly
Froggy Zaeed
Burrowing Owl Garrus
Snake Miranda
Starfish Kasumi
Worm Morinth
Jacob the Hedgehog
Crabby Samara

You beat me to it-- I was just compiling that list.

Alright, so to round out the squad, we have:

Wrex, with the powers of a chameleon!
Ashley, with the mind bending abilities of a pygmy marmoset!
Kaidan, the man who can fly-- like a bat!
Grunt, the Amazing Shark-Boy!
Thane, the lizard man, who is ALSO a buffalo!
James Vega, with the ferocious bite of the dachsund!
And Jack, with the soft-hearted tenderness of a deer!

But the squad needs a soundtrack playing CONSTANTLY.  And Legion is a robot.  A robot with SOUL.  So I think Legion will
get the powers of an iPod.  His job will be to play smooth sax jams like
Careless Whisper on repeat for the squad to fight to.

Maaaan these Reapers don't stand a chance.

Legion also needs to have some Barry White, so he can provide both mood lighting and background music, for the tender moments Shep has with his/her LI.

[Praetor Knight]

RobotWalk wrote...

But the squad needs a soundtrack playing CONSTANTLY.  And Legion is a robot.  A robot with SOUL.  So I think Legion will
get the powers of an iPod.  His job will be to play smooth sax jams like Careless Whisper on repeat for the squad to fight to.

My first thought with Legion was this song "I've got soul, but I'm not a solja..."

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Legion also needs to have some Barry White, so he can provide both mood lighting and background music, for the tender moments Shep has with his/her LI.

So much utility in his/her platform!

Modifié par Praetor Shepard, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:10 .

[100k]

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

[quote]100k wrote...

And I never said anything otherwise. [/quote]

You are implying that destroyed Reapers will never spill their cores. I think that's just ridiculous considering the nature of violent explosions. Sometimes a Reaper can be downed without breaking apart, same with any other ship, but to try and guarantee that occurrence during a chaotic battle...[/quote]

I explained why that is improbable already.


[quote]100k wrote...

No. Your point was that destroying the Reapers = destroying our atmosphere. [/quote]

No, my point here is that you can't possibly hope to clean up all those ruined ships and their leaky drive cores before many of them crash down to the planet.

That is unless the battle is a lot smaller in scale than I'm imagining it to be. Possible, but highly unlikely I think.[/quote]

No! Your point, the thesis argument of this thread, the reason we're all here, is that we can't harm the Reapers without harming ourselves. Please PLEASE don't make me go back to your original quote -- the start of this entire thread -- just to show you that.
:crying::crying:
I got that. It was a superb thesis, and a stellar argument. You had me convinced (and rightly so) that humanity is doomed either way. BUT, if we beat the Reapers and have 2000, 5000, or even 10,000 ships left above our orbit, there is no reason to assume that most of them couldn't be cleaned up.

Bulldozer of sand + hand shovel?

Bulldozer of sand + 100 hand shovels. Maybe more.

We're not doomed. There is still hope. The Reapers are blind to the galaxy! The very cores that drive them and pose such a great threat to us, are so heavily protected that it is unlikely that most of the Reapers would expel them onto us!

You can still redeem yourself!

[BrotherCorvid]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

RobotWalk wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Super Eezo-animal Friends, starring
Lobster Shepard
Bear Liara
Black Widow Kelly
Froggy Zaeed
Burrowing Owl Garrus
Snake Miranda
Starfish Kasumi
Worm Morinth
Jacob the Hedgehog
Crabby Samara

You beat me to it-- I was just compiling that list.

Alright, so to round out the squad, we have:

Wrex, with the powers of a chameleon!
Ashley, with the mind bending abilities of a pygmy marmoset!
Kaidan, the man who can fly-- like a bat!
Grunt, the Amazing Shark-Boy!
Thane, the lizard man, who is ALSO a buffalo!
James Vega, with the ferocious bite of the dachsund!
And Jack, with the soft-hearted tenderness of a deer!

But the squad needs a soundtrack playing CONSTANTLY.  And Legion is a robot.  A robot with SOUL.  So I think Legion will
get the powers of an iPod.  His job will be to play smooth sax jams like
Careless Whisper on repeat for the squad to fight to.

Maaaan these Reapers don't stand a chance.

Legion also needs to have some Barry White, so he can provide both mood lighting and background music, for the tender moments Shep has with his/her LI.

Seriously, how can anyone not think we're going to win against the Reapers. 

This is all bulletproof stuff.

[SJK93]

I think someone said it before, but I'll say it again. Saphra, do you honestly believe that all of Mass Effect 3's endings will result the Reapers' victory? I mean, come on. BioWare said that Mass Effect 3 won't be the last we see of the Mass Effect universe. There's no way they're just going to throw away so much potential. Not to mention how the fans would likely react. I know I'd be incredibly disappointed.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

100k wrote...

And I never said anything otherwise.

You are implying that destroyed Reapers will never spill their cores. I think that's just ridiculous considering the nature of violent explosions. Sometimes a Reaper can be downed without breaking apart, same with any other ship, but to try and guarantee that occurrence during a chaotic battle...

100k wrote...

No. Your point was that destroying the Reapers = destroying our atmosphere.

No, my point here is that you can't possibly hope to clean up all those ruined ships and their leaky drive cores before many of them crash down to the planet.

That is unless the battle is a lot smaller in scale than I'm imagining it to be. Possible, but highly unlikely I think.

I've already argued this entire point before.  And you never said boo to my last post about it.  It was on page 27.  So I'm assuming that I win, and that it is not only possible to clean up our planet, but also highly likely.

Here, I'll repost it again.  Not that I think you missed it.  It sat around for an hour and you have a post directly beneath it.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Ok, I'll bite.  Let's suppose that Eezo is toxic enough to cause cancer
and tumors in adults.  Since you love worst-case scenarios so much, lets
consider this one...

All people on Earth are exposed to enough
Eezo to be considered toxic.  Using the only numbers I can find in the
game (which relate only to exposure in unborn children, but it's not a
huge leap), roughly thirty percent will suffer from ill-effects from the
exposure, and since this is worst-case scenario, let's say that they
all die from it immediately. 

Population is reduced by 30%

Let's
say now that the next generation of people born are all expsed to the
same amounts of toxicity.  Population will once again be reduced by
thirty percent.

Let's say that this cycle continues.  After
twenty generations, are populations would still number in the tens of
millions.  The average generation lasts about 25 years, so that would
roughly equal 500 years.  It would take hundreds of years beyond this
for our population to dwindle to unsustainable numbers.

But that
wouldn't really happen.  First of all, it takes time for tumors and
cancer to develop, so population decline would not immediately occur.

 Secondly,
the number that adds up to thirty percent in fetuses also takes into
account still births and birth defects.  Adults cannot suffer from this,
so saying that thirty percent of our entire population will die is a
stretch. 

Third, the wiki states that modern advances in medical
technology have alleviated many of the illnesses which plague our
present society (http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Human). 
I believe that it is safe to say that tumors and cancers are not going
to be the death sentences that they are today.  Access to medical care
will be limited at first, but to say that within three hundred years
that none of these people would recieve medical treatment is absurd.

Fourth,
this assumes that every person on the planet from this point forward is
exposed to these toxic levels of Eezo.  We would actually have to try for this to happen.

Fifth,
this also assumes that Eezo does not naturally degrade into more benign
substances over time.  There is no evidence to support that it does or
doesn't.

And lastly, this assumes that the remaining population would do nothing to
avoid this exposure.  Whether it be cleaning it up or evacuation, to
say we just stand around with our thumbs up our butts while our world is dying around us is impossible to imagine.

So, Eezo exposure =/= immediate extinction
Reapers = immediate extinction.

I'll take my chances with the Eezo.

EDIT: My initial math was off.

To recap, if it got into our atmosphere, COMPLETELY covered our planet, and exposed every man, woman and child to it's "toxic" effects, and immediate die-offs occured based upon numbers in the game, we would have plenty of time before we went "extinct" to do something about it!

Math doesn't lie.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Super Eezo-animal Friends, starring
Lobster Shepard
Bear Liara
Black Widow Kelly
Froggy Zaeed
Burrowing Owl Garrus
Snake Miranda
Starfish Kasumi
Worm Morinth
Jacob the Hedgehog
Crabby Samara

Samara should be a cougarB)