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[Jazharah]

38 pages late but hey, OP, you indoctrinated or summat?

[SJK93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Newton's first law, you should review it. If it is in orbit, it will tend to stay that way. Some will suffer adequate orbital decay, but not most.

Do you even know what an orbit is?

To keep something in orbit requires effort. Most of the debris will eventually fall back to the planet. Some of it may take a long time and some of it won't take long at all.

Is the moon falling towards Earth? No. In fact, it's moving away as we speak.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

xXljoshlXx wrote...
Insults will get you nowhere

Just lets you know shes lost.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Coincidentally, they follow the same charts when trying to chart possible spread of toxic substances present day -- such as with nuclear fallout.  Meaning that it's an already proven reliable means of people predicting where the contamination will be the worst.

Which means what? That doesn't make it much easier to clean up. That doesn't solve all the other problems you've got.

Food, sanitation, transporation, security, manpower, water, infrastructure, shelter.

Missunderstood your point about the 'no hope' thing, my mistake.

The point is that eezo contamination will be limited in scope and area, making cleanup that much easier than the predicted worse-case scenarios.

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Only you've already said that the Citadel is not a valid example as relating to our planet as it is in no way comparable to a planet.

Flip-Flop.

It's not flip-flopping.

The Citadel is not comparable as an environment being exposed to eezo since it is a sealed space sation.

However when it comes to problems and manpower and repair (or clean up in Earth's case) it IS a valid comparison.

And we don't know how much manpower was dedicated to the Citadel's renovations, and that took 5 years, Not bad, I say.

That and I would have to say that you have to take into account special circumstances when making repairs to a space station, such as being sucked out into space, that you wouldn't have to take into account while on the Earth, which I'm guessing would only lengthen the process of rebuilding a space station.

[Grey34]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Only you've already said that the Citadel is not a valid example as relating to our planet as it is in no way comparable to a planet.

Flip-Flop.

It's not flip-flopping.

The Citadel is not comparable as an environment being exposed to eezo since it is a sealed space sation.

However when it comes to problems and manpower and repair (or clean up in Earth's case) it IS a valid comparison.

not completely sealed because you see reckage inside the citadel tower and when you talk to anderson and bailey they talk about clearing up reaper reckage. so i wouldn't say completely sealed.

[SandTrout]

Do you even know what an orbit is?

To keep something in orbit requires effort. Most of the debris will eventually fall back to the planet. Some of it may take a long time and some of it won't take long at all.

LMFAO. You cannot be serious, can you? OrbitOrbit[/url]

Because if orbits acted the way you are claiming, then we're doomed anyways b/c the Earth is going to fall into the Sun! Or, as others have stated, the Moon would crash into the Earth.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

25 years is an entire generation of humans and many many generations of plants and animals.

Yep, and most extinction events in Earth's history took centuries or millenia.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Coincidentally, they follow the same charts when trying to chart possible spread of toxic substances present day -- such as with nuclear fallout.  Meaning that it's an already proven reliable means of people predicting where the contamination will be the worst.

Which means what? That doesn't make it much easier to clean up. That doesn't solve all the other problems you've got.

Food, sanitation, transporation, security, manpower, water, infrastructure, shelter.

Um, it means I have a means of predicting where the worst amount of damage is and then send larger numbers to speed up cleaning in heavily hit areas and maximize the efficiency of the resources I have at my disposal.  So yes, it would be "easier" then just going in blindly

And there you go with the cute little mantras.  Take 100 percent of the remaining, able-bodied population, add "Clean-up" to the list, prioritize what is the most important first, and divide up the force.
Surely some people can be spared to help with clean up.  And some is better than none.

[SJK93]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SJK93 wrote...

Is the moon falling towards Earth? No. In fact, it's moving away as we speak.

Yes, so let's hope all that debris from the battle drifts away from Earth.

Weren't you just saying how it will fall towards Earth?

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

...in required time to rebuild earth is looking at only 25 years. That is an acceptable time frame to rebuild from an alien invasion, IMO.

25 years is an entire generation of humans and many many generations of plants and animals.

So what.  We have the tech to make vat grown food.  Even if every species on the planet is devasted to endangered levels in only twenty-five years (and crunch the numbers, that is COMPLETELY IMPOSSIBLE), at that point forward there is only recovery.
Outcome: Earth is saved.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Because if orbits acted the way you are claiming, then we're doomed anyways b/c the Earth is going to fall into the Sun! Or, as others have stated, the Moon would crash into the Earth.

No orbit lasts forever. The moon won't orbit the Earth forever. Time-scales can be very big or very small.

Something destroyed very near the Earth (near Earth orbit) will fall back to the planet eventually. The ISS requires constant adjustments to keep it in orbit. So did Mir and so does every satellite.

I know more about this than you do.

So you completely ignore my point about there being an orbital aspect to the cleanup as well, which means that the ammount of debris that will make it to earth will be limited to that which had decaying orbits that would fall between the time that Earth is liberated and when the cleanup starts? And that the ammount of this debris would be minimal?

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Yep, and most extinction events in Earth's history took centuries or millenia.

Actually some of them came very rapidly.

Example?

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Um, it means I have a means of predicting where the worst amount of damage is...

That was never an issue.

It's an issue if you're claiming that cleaning the Earth is impossible, as it directly relates to how efficiently we can clean the earth.

[SJK93]

Sisterofshane wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Yep, and most extinction events in Earth's history took centuries or millenia.

Actually some of them came very rapidly.

Example?

Some do come quickly, but I'm not sure if it's natural at all. For example, we're in the middle of a mass extinction right now. But we're the cause.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

So what.  We have the tech to make vat grown food.

So tell me, why are garden worlds so valuable? After all, we can survive without them.

They're valuable because they're EASIER to colonize.  It's not impossible to colonize a world (or space station for that matter) with out an ecosystem.

Proof, Mars.  Humanity's first established colony.