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[Shimmer_Gloom]

@Saphra: I'm trying to get you to examine your own views by-the-way. I'm trying to get you to realize how hard it is to reconcile rolling over and letting the Reapers assimilate us and being a Cerberus fan and believing in humanity.

Cerberus was created to CHANGE the status-quo. They are trying to subvert the order of the Galaxy and have humans reign supreme over aliens... and you are okay with aliens coming in and turning us into goo?

How is that different than having (like I said before) Aasari kill every human in the galaxy after having mind sex with a couple to 'preserve humanity?'

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

You missed  my whole point, and actually helped me prove it a bit.  The Reapers can no longer afford to wait.

They're rushing so they can maintain their advantage.

Your point is counterintuitive.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Prove to me that the Reapers can repair themselves.

No.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Way to ignore all of my evidence because it contradicts your rebuttal.

You didn't present any evidence.

Sisterofshane wrote...

It's so highly unlikely that the Reapers will get to all sustainable, known, COLONIZED planets all at once with sufficient force as to completely cripple them immediately, that it borders on the the IMPOSSIBLE.

They don't need to do it all at once. A few decades of hit and run attacks is sufficient.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Soviet Russia had no infastructure to support it's people, and yet it still managed to create and sustain a formidable military presence.

Oh really?

Sisterofshane wrote...

And only one Reaper would be able to cripple a planet, ONLY IF there were no other forces opposing it. This will not be the case, and no Reaper would ever think that it would be a possibilty.

Even if you have every ship in the galaxy guarding a planet the Reapers can still render it uninhabitable.

Saphra you can't debate if you can't back up your arguements with anything more then "I'm right you're wrong"

[Twizz089]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

Its a good thing you know your
place for humanity then.  We deserve to be on the bottom of the totum
pole in the galaxy.  I'm glad you agree.

We don't "deserve" anything. Our place in the food chain will be whatever we make of it.

Twizz089 wrote...

But how is one reaper (and an army of geth) a good gauge of will happen when all reapers come to fight, if we have no clue how many there are and how many are as big as Sovereign?

It is all we have to go on. We got a taste of Reaper weapons and defenses.

Some Reapers may be weaker, sure. However it is not smart to assume they will be weaker. They may very well be equally as strong as Sovereign or even stronger.

This is all self evident.

If one Reaper is more than a match for a fleet then how many fleets will we need to take on many Reapers? Possibly dozens, or hundreds, or even thousands. We'll run out of fleets.

The battle with Sovereign gave us an example of what ou K/D ratio will be.

Again your assuming that all reapers are the same size as Sovereign when it has been stated as a fact that they are not.  Is a fight between an enemy tank and a squad of soldiers a good measure of how the war would play out if the rest of the forces are unknown and not accounted for?   The battle of Sovereign DID NOT give us an example of what our K/D ratio will be against the variable that is the reaper's forces, for all we know Sovereign was the biggest and the strongest, if you can not prove otherwise then the rest of your post holds no merit

Modifié par Twizz089, 03 août 2011 - 09:12 .

[LGTX]

Anyone here seen the Earth demo from E3? When Anderson asks Shep how in the world will the galaxy defeat the Reapers? And his joyous, hopeful reply? Thing is, at this point we have nothing to suggest that Reapers are defeatable, and uniting all races against them is akin to vanity with a hint of blind patriotism. It all goes to moral preferences from there, but unless there's some Deus Ex Machina present in ME3, the Reapers will eradicate the galaxy.

[Mr Powers94]

reapers probably cant repair themselve because the reaper in mass effect 2 had a functional mass effect core aswell as indoctrination capabilities but it had been abandoned by the other reapers.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

You said 'maintain their advantage.'

If the Reapers were so sure of their ultimate victory they wouldn't have to rush to maintain their advantage. They would still have it. They could 'reap' us any time they wanted. They are rushing to keep their advantage because it is disappearing.

Also, you act like no army has ever defeated an enemy 'with an advantage.' Or even, 'a great advantage.' Or even 'impossible odds.'

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

Again your assuming that all reapers are the same size as Sovereign...

No, I am not. Did you read my post?

I said some of them may be smaller and others may be larger.

I'd rather prepare for the worst though.

Why?  Aren't we just going to wait for them to show up and turn us into goo?  What kind of preparation does that entail?  Making a really large flag for us to wave?

Now if you are talking about fighting...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Mr Powers94 wrote...

reapers probably cant repair themselve because the reaper in mass effect 2 had a functional mass effect core aswell as indoctrination capabilities but it had been abandoned by the other reapers.

IIRC. the other reapers didn't find him, as it drifted into that position.
Also, the scale of the damage is supposed to be enormous.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

If the Reapers were so sure of their ultimate victory they wouldn't have to rush to maintain their advantage.

Yes they would because they can still lose their advantage. I explained that already.

I'll explain it again.

The longer the Reapers wait the more the galaxy will advance. Considering the galaxy has already gained access to numerous Reaper artifacts (including actual Reapers) this means that in the long run the Reapers are at serious risk of losing their technological advantage if they wait too long.

Ug.  You just said exactly what I just said.  You are restating my argument.  Did you even read it?

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

How many? How big? How are you sure that the combine force of the galaxy wont be able to defeat them.

I feel that way because what I saw at the Battle of the Citadel was that even one Reaper was more than a match for an small fleet.

Correction, one reaper and an entire Fleet of Geth were more than a match for a small fleet, not the entire galaxy united.

One Reaper was not even a match for part of that small fleet.  Thus, they defeated it.

So, you drew the wrong conclusion from a single example of evidence.  Not the first time this happened for you.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

Why?

If we prepare for the worst and the worst doesn't come to pass then we'll be in a better position to deal with the Reaper menace.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best.

What so you gave up on convincing us that we 'can't beat the Reapers?'

You agree that there is some point in fighting against them?

Modifié par Shimmer_Gloom, 03 août 2011 - 09:17 .

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

Ug.  You just said exactly what I just said.  You are restating my argument.  Did you even read it?

I didn't repeat your argument I repeated MINE. If you agree with me then why did you try to argue with me?

I don't agree with you.  Unless I missed the NAME OF THIS TOPIC you contend that 'We Can't Beat The Reapers.'

You just said that the Reapers could be beaten if they wait too long.

[Thalador]

Sometimes the best way to survive and advance is to acknowledge the alpha of the pack.

You call letting millions of humans processed survival? What's the survival in that? The ones whose genetic material is harvested to be fused into the new human-shaped Reaper are just a "fraction" of humanity, the rest would still need to be obliterated on Earth and the colonies. There's no survival in letting the Reapers infuse our genetic material into an inorganic superstructure. The "thing" that would awake would have nothing that would make it human, aside from the final insult to our race: its human shape, that is more like a caricature, tbh. Maybe, just maybe it could still "remember" things that made someone human, but it wouldn't care. No emotions, no human-like thinking, no human morals, ethics, etc. It wouldn't keep our centuries-old literature, art, music, philosophies, not even human history. There's no survival in letting ourselves to be massacred then willingly offer our genetic material to be pumped into a merciless, completely inhuman machine. Humanity would cease to exist the moment the last son or daughter is processed and the beast awakens, or when he/she is killed by the Reapers and their servants.

Advance?! The Reapers stopped to advance millions of years ago. If they had used that time to truly advance themselves, they would have become much, much more. They could have conquered several galaxies by now, had they truly improved their own technology. No, they advance no more. They call themselves the pinnacle of evolution, but they forgot that evolution never stops, and that the universe/nature demands motion.

And personally, submitting, giving up on our own (as a race) principles & beliefs, and simply giving up a fight that seems impossible is worse than the death that would await us if the galaxy failed to defeat the Reapers. That's the wost death you can ever imagine for humanity. It never seemed as someone/something who'd truly give up, no matter the odds, as it is very persistent and stubborn (in some cases too much). Really failing these traits (what you "suggest" in your indoctrination) is almost equal to the destruction I described in the 1st paragraph. I would really go out with a huge, goddamn bang that would take out as many Reaper bastards as possible, than to submit and watch humanity destroyed in a shameful, more horrible way, from the first lines...

Shepard is goddamn right, no matter how "cheesy" you think his line is: We fight or we die. That's the plan.

Modifié par Thalador, 03 août 2011 - 10:10 .

[Twizz089]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

Again your assuming that all reapers are the same size as Sovereign...

No, I am not. Did you read my post?

I said some of them may be smaller and others may be larger.

Oh I see, so if we dont know how the rest of the reapers compare to Sovereign how is the battle with Sovereign a good measure of what will happen when we fight them?

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Saphra: "Prepare for the worst, hope for the best."

That doesn't sound like 'lets wait for the Reapers to turn us into goo,' now does it?