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[Mr Powers94]

Mr Powers94 wrote...

reapers probably cant repair themselve because the reaper in mass effect 2 had a functional mass effect core aswell as indoctrination capabilities but it had been abandoned by the other reapers.

Did i say probably i meant they CANT. and before you say it i do have evidence the derelict reaper.Reapers cant repair themselves!

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The reapers target earth first right? From what we know a buttload of them land on earth, right? How many are there? "We are legion!" So that means a buttload. So they're going to kill everyone on earth or turn as many into goo as they can, right?

Sure the Council banned the use of nukes. Why? Because they're too powerful, but we're earth, right? Rules don't apply to us. We've got WMDs stockpiled. We just make sure the Council doesn't know about them.

NUKE THEM ALL. Nuke all of them while they're on the earth. Turn the earth into a wasteland that makes Tuchanka look like a paradise. You will take out 90% of the Reapers. NUKE THEM ALL. I don't think their shields could handle temperatures around that of a star. The remaining 10% will either go limping off into dark space, or be a manageable enough size where the galactic fleets have a shot at taking them out. This is a solution even the Krogan could get behind.

I'd rather go out in nuclear fire than be turned into goo.

Can we hit page 70?

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

I actually have evidence that they can't:  The derelict reaper.

That is circumstantial at best. The Reapers may very well be able to do basic self repair for minor wounds. However the round that killed that Reaper inflicted a very deep wound.

Humans can self repair most cuts and scrapes and even deep lacerations given enough time. However a shot to the head or heart will usually kill you before that process can take effect.

We don't know enough about the derelict Reaper or the circumstances surrounding its demise to come to such a definitive conclusion.

And we don't know enough about Eingana to definitively say that it is exactly what will happen to Earth.
Double standards will not win you this argument.

And to say we don't know what killed the Reaper when it suits your argument, and then say that what killed the Reaper was a very large wound caused by a "round", is Flip-Flopping.
That will not win you the argument either.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Only if the Reapers hold back enough not to damage it beyond repair.
If that is what it takes to stop our supply lines, then they wouldn't do it.  They want life to return.

Return it will no matter how much damage they inflict. Be it on that world or on another. The galaxy is big. Very big.

Not so big that the Reapers will risk their very cycle on the *possibility* that their are more planets capable of sustaining ADVANCED ORGANIC LIFE.

We're not talking sustaining bunnies here.  Life that is CAPABLE of space travel and developing the technology of the mass relays.

Let's use Eingana as our example (since you love it so much).  If the reapers were capable of inflicting that kind of damage on a planet (and you claim that not only are they capable, but that they WILL in order to defeat us), then how long will it take for that planet's inhabitants to evolve to levels of space flight?  It's been almost 130,000 years and they haven't even gone past prehistoric stages of development!

Point being, that if the Reapers went around just destroying everything willy nilly, then they would be taking the risk that there wouldn't be another civilization to reap in fifty thousand years.  How does that fit into their goals?

No, they will be careful.  Calculating.  If there is a possibility that they will counter one of their own goals, they will come up with a different strategy.

Beside all of that, if no matter how much damage they inflict, life will return, then why should we surrender?
The point of the war is to allow the natural development of all organic life by stopping the Reapers from completing their cycle.  Some of the most brilliant minds of the Prothean race understood this.  Even if we cannot save ourselves, we will be saving some future civilization from sharing our fate.  That philosophy is the very essence of what distinguishes organic life from machines -- selflessness.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Yes it is.  You said the planet would remain "uninhabitable".

No, I said it may one day recover.

I repeat: the Reapers do not care what becomes of our worlds. There are plenty of worlds in the galaxy.

 

Flip flop again.  It's either left "uninhabitable", or it's left "habitable".  One cannot equal the other.

[Twizz089]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

We dont know enough about the Reapers or the circumstances surrounding the coming war to come to such a definitive conclusion

We can make some educated guesses though.

"We" can and "We" have... but sadly you havent
An educated guess is a guess based on evidence or knowledge you already have, your basing your guess work on assumptions

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

You clearly didn't understand it,

I do and that is why I won't grant it a response. It doesn't deserve one.

Same reason I continually ignore JKS93 and all the others who keep leaving comments in thread to the effect of, "Bioware won't release a game that you can't win."

Only you did grant her argument a response.  It was only an opinion, but it was a response.
I just had to force you to do it.

[Mr Powers94]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The reapers target earth first right? From what we know a buttload of them land on earth, right? How many are there? "We are legion!" So that means a buttload. So they're going to kill everyone on earth or turn as many into goo as they can, right?

Sure the Council banned the use of nukes. Why? Because they're too powerful, but we're earth, right? Rules don't apply to us. We've got WMDs stockpiled. We just make sure the Council doesn't know about them.

NUKE THEM ALL. Nuke all of them while they're on the earth. Turn the earth into a wasteland that makes Tuchanka look like a paradise. You will take out 90% of the Reapers. NUKE THEM ALL. I don't think their shields could handle temperatures around that of a star. The remaining 10% will either go limping off into dark space, or be a manageable enough size where the galactic fleets have a shot at taking them out. This is a solution even the Krogan could get behind.

I'd rather go out in nuclear fire than be turned into goo.

Can we hit page 70?

talk about a scorched earth response. If the turians liked our sacrifice at the battle of the citadel think how much respect that would get us.

[Mr Powers94]

Saphra Deden wrote...
This is getting very tiresome.

so give in admit we are right and the reapers can be defeated and this deisscussion will be over

[Mr Powers94]

just look at the past 59 pages theres plenty there you just have to peice it together

Modifié par Mr Powers94, 03 août 2011 - 10:32 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There are few problems that cannot be solved by large explosions.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

And we don't know enough about Eingana to definitively say that it is exactly what will happen to Earth.

We can make a reasonable guess. Enough to make us worried about the potential fallout of the battle.

Sisterofshane wrote...

Not so big that the Reapers will risk their very cycle on the *possibility* that their are more planets capable of sustaining ADVANCED ORGANIC LIFE.

This is getting very tiresome.

If eingana is the only only example we have to draw from, then no we don't.  That was my entire point.  The only reason why you have determined it to be "reasonable" is because it fits into the scope of your argument.  It is only one piece of evidence within a mountain of evidence we have provided to counter that view.

And it's only "tiresome" because you have nothing else factual to contribute to this discussion.

[Twizz089]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Mr Powers94 wrote...

so give in admit we are right and the reapers can be defeated and this deisscussion will be over

If someone can present to me a sound strategy for defeating the Reapers then I'll do just that.

To date nobody has.

You have yet to prove how the Reapers are guranteeded to win, also but admiting that the Reapers are not unbeatable you have already admitted that they can be beaten

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Mr Powers94 wrote...

so give in admit we are right and the reapers can be defeated and this deisscussion will be over

If someone can present to me a sound strategy for defeating the Reapers then I'll do just that.

To date nobody has.

I did. It involves about 30,000 mushroom clouds. Or heck while they're all in the system detonate the mass relay and take out the whole system. Shepard has to stay on earth like a fishing lure. Shepard has already been dead once. What's the worst that can happen? Dead again?

Oh.... you're talking about one where humans actually survive!

[Sisterofshane]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Mr Powers94 wrote...

so give in admit we are right and the reapers can be defeated and this deisscussion will be over

If someone can present to me a sound strategy for defeating the Reapers then I'll do just that.

To date nobody has.

I did. It involves about 30,000 mushroom clouds. Or heck while they're all in the system detonate the mass relay and take out the whole system. Shepard has to stay on earth like a fishing lure. Shepard has already been dead once. What's the worst that can happen? Dead again?

Oh.... you're talking about one where humans actually survive!

lol, can you imagine that ending?

As the Reapers descend upon earth, Shepard gives them the finger and says "Oh YEAH?!?! Well, REAP THIS!"

And there is a huge explosion.

Do you think that our statue on the citadel will be as big as the Krogans'?

It's almost as silly as Shepard giving up and surrendering to become human paste.

[nicethugbert]

I see your indoctrination and raise you Lala Lala I Can't Hear Youuuuuuuuu.......

Maybe the Batarians will save the galaxy by blowing up the charon relay like Shepard did that other relay.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Onward to 60.

Officially the worst thread to ever make it to 60.


Nothing works because nothing is "reasonable,logical,understandable"(the big three people use when they have no idea what they are talking about) unless Saphra says it is.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 03 août 2011 - 10:50 .

[Shimmer_Gloom]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Those were hypothetical questions.  Her point was that reapers were not invincible.
So don't make her repeat herself because you misunderstood the point of her post.

I read her post. I understood it.

She doesn't understand what this discussion is about.

The Reapers are not inherently invincible. They are not gods.

What makes them unbeatable are the circumstances under which we must fight them.

I know my moniker and avatar make it confusing... But Shimmergloom the dragon was a dude.  I'm a man.  Just for future refrence.

So what you are saying is that there is nothing inherent about Reapers that make them ubeatable.  It isn't the Reapers, but the circumstances (your words) which are the problem for us...

Circustances can change.  If the field of battle makes it impossible to win then change the feild of battle.  Withdraw.  Napoleon used this tactic to great effect against overwhelming numbers.

Circumstances can change.  Reapers can be defeated.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

So you're saying I win?

[Sisterofshane]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Those were hypothetical questions.  Her point was that reapers were not invincible.
So don't make her repeat herself because you misunderstood the point of her post.

I read her post. I understood it.

She doesn't understand what this discussion is about.

The Reapers are not inherently invincible. They are not gods.

What makes them unbeatable are the circumstances under which we must fight them.

I know my moniker and avatar make it confusing... But Shimmergloom the dragon was a dude.  I'm a man.  Just for future refrence.

So what you are saying is that there is nothing inherent about Reapers that make them ubeatable.  It isn't the Reapers, but the circumstances (your words) which are the problem for us...

Circustances can change.  If the field of battle makes it impossible to win then change the feild of battle.  Withdraw.  Napoleon used this tactic to great effect against overwhelming numbers.

Circumstances can change.  Reapers can be defeated.

Sorry about the girl thing!  I can relate, people were calling me "Shane" for the longest time because it is in my moniker, even though "SISTER OF" clearly precedes it!  And I guess that I'm not helping anybody with my avatar either:whistle:

And the circumstances are not just Saphras words, but her opinions.  Opinions she has based upon limited evidence.

[Twizz089]

Shimmer_Gloom wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Those were hypothetical questions.  Her point was that reapers were not invincible.
So don't make her repeat herself because you misunderstood the point of her post.

I read her post. I understood it.

She doesn't understand what this discussion is about.

The Reapers are not inherently invincible. They are not gods.

What makes them unbeatable are the circumstances under which we must fight them.

I know my moniker and avatar make it confusing... But Shimmergloom the dragon was a dude.  I'm a man.  Just for future refrence.

So what you are saying is that there is nothing inherent about Reapers that make them ubeatable.  It isn't the Reapers, but the circumstances (your words) which are the problem for us...

Circustances can change.  If the field of battle makes it impossible to win then change the feild of battle.  Withdraw.  Napoleon used this tactic to great effect against overwhelming numbers.

Circumstances can change.  Reapers can be defeated.

Building on what Shimmer has said, the circumstances have already changed.  We still control the relays.  The Reapers have yet to prove that they can wipe out a galaxy without them.  It was the key to the victory over the Protheans as the Reapers were able divide their forces, cut them off from each other and then and pick small forces apart one at a time.  Circumstances have changed, we control the relays, and we know the reapers are coming. The Reapers have never (as far as we know) faced a united front.