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[nicethugbert]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Any future is better than total extinction.

The Protheans were made extinct by the Reapers.  The Collectors are not the Protheans.  The Protheans are mearly the stock from which the Collectors were assembled.

[Lotion Soronarr]

As far as I'm concerned..liquifying = dead.


All the BS Harbringer spews about being a nation..what nation? Corpses don't make one a nation!
You destroyed the mind. There is nothing of "me" left in that Reaper except a protein cocktail. That is not "me" anymore than a random rock is.

And nothing in this world will convince me that my mind, thought, soul or essence is contained within that goo. If ME even tries to explain it that way it will forever be cemented in the halls of Sci-fi that turned horrible.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 04 août 2011 - 12:47 .

[Tonymac]

Saphra Deden wrote...

nicethugbert wrote...

The Protheans were made extinct by the Reapers.  The Collectors are not the Protheans.  The Protheans are mearly the stock from which the Collectors were assembled.

Better Collectors than nothing.

Then Shepard came and ruined that.

In the words of Mordin Solus, "No souls - replaced by tech.  Whatever they were, gone now, forever."

[Lotion Soronarr]

Morodin is full of it.
Me has soul-detecing sensors now??

[Arijharn]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Regardless, what does it matter to you in the end anyway? Either you're dead because the Reapers wiped us out or you're dead because the Reapers turned us into bricks. What difference does it make? At least, assuming we never unlock the true nature of Reapers (to answer this question ourselves first), we can hope that in being turned into a Reaper a truly integral part of humanity does survive.

Because I'd rather perserve us 'as humans' than as paste, because I don't think that's 'human' at all nor a (compelling) future. As far as I can see, we become so divided from whatever concepts of humanity you proscribe as to become functionally alien, and in a manner that is as divorced from human evolution (even an evolution of our own making) as possible.

We are not a people (as we understand it), we do not have an identity (at least, one we can fathom) and as much as I may like someone else, I don't want to share the same mindscape (for want of a better term) with them, because I value the sanctity of my own thoughts. 

So what does it matter? Everything really, it's what makes us who we are and I'll accept that known quantity for all the ills it brings over your uncertain future in an uncertain state.

[pmac_tk421]

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

I really cannot see any normal way in which we could defeat the Reaprs in a military conflict.

They have practicly every advantage imaginable:
They're are faster, more manuveralbe, FAR better shielded and more deadly. The got knowledhe of the galaxy and they can manipulate mass relays. They got no static points they need to defend, nor any civilina population they need to protect, nor any supply lines to cut.
You can't produce ships or infrastructure faster than they can destroy it - and they can destroy it.
They have the power to dictate the pace of battle, and thus keep the initiative.

Frankly, we need a McGuffin.

I read a history book once,superior force=/= victory

I read history books all the time, especially those on military conflict. It's a hobby of mine.

Ah,so you are aware that the reapers lost the biggest advantage of cutting off the relays for their divide and conquer blitzkrieg,they no longer have the ability to fight they way they want.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Think about it this way.

Before ME1 we had a 1% chance of surviving the Reaper invasion.

After ME1 we had the Citadel and relays under our control which increased our odds of survival by 500%. (probably not nearly that much)

So now we have a 5% chance of victory. Whoopidy-doo.

5%>1%

Humans have a long standing tradition of staring into the abyss....and then charging headlong,regardless the odds.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 04 août 2011 - 04:13 .

[Drake_Hound]

5% sounds good beter then buying a lottery ticket .

YaY we can win now you pessimist, sure we just have to accept loses.

Anyway I know this is meant to be semi fun thread , but cause we are not technology superior to reapers.
Doesn´t mean we don´t stand a chance , just to have to steal technology , and keep up a low intensity warfare.
Back to the fun

But we have Shepard , he is chuck norris incaranated
Who do the reaper have ?

[Drake_Hound]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Try to focus on the 95% probability that you'll be reaped.

I was being generous too, very generous.

What Chuck Norris only need 0.01% , So 5% is already total victory for Shepard.
pftt 95% of harbringer loser is still means harbringer is a loser

[ArcticAvenger]

Ah,so you are aware that the reapers lost the biggest advantage of cutting off the relays for their divide and conquer blitzkrieg,they no longer have the ability to fight they way they want.

You are also aware that at the end of ME1, Sovy was taking fire from half a fleet?

[Fives]

I would blow my brains out before the Reapers did anything to me.

[Drake_Hound]

MassAccelerator wrote...

I would blow my brains out before the Reapers did anything to me.

No no ... you will still become a husk , strap a grenade and blow up another husk ...
Don´t like husk

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Try to focus on the 95% probability that you'll be reaped.

I was being generous too, very generous.

K I'll drop this on you again.

"Confront them with annihilation, and they will then
survive; plunge them into a deadly situation, and they will then live.
When people fall into danger, they are then able to strive for victory."-Sun Tzu

Not every human is a defeatist like you,we would rather stand and fight and lose (The Alamo,The battle of Thermopylae) then to simply roll over and get turn into an inhuman machine.

"A man does what he must - in spite of personal
consequences, in spite of obstacles and dangers and pressures - and that
is the basis of all human morality."-Winston Churchill.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 04 août 2011 - 04:22 .

[Drake_Hound]

If a serious discussion about ods , then Hitler wouldn´t never have conquered Europe.
The ods of him succeeding like that , was around 25% max .
Since everything was against germany , technology manpower equipment .
Only advangetage Germany had in WW2 was element of suprise and beter tactics .
IF we go by ods , the battle of Britain should have ended with a total britishe defeat .
Still they fought and won , Battles are not always just statistics , like the above posters says.
Statistic give you a advangetage , doesn´t mean it will win you the war , as modern day wars proof.
You can win all the battles still lose the war .

[ArcticAvenger]

Drake_Hound wrote...

But we have Shepard , he is chuck norris incaranated {smilie}
Who do the reaper have ?

Probably thousands of other battle hardend reapers.

[Drake_Hound]

ArcticAvenger wrote...

Drake_Hound wrote...

But we have Shepard , he is chuck norris incaranated {smilie}
Who do the reaper have ?

Probably thousands of other battle hardend reapers.

But still no chuck norris incarnated ala Shepard.

You do know battle hardened and lucky god like SoB isn´t the same .
The old saying , he might be good , but is he lucky . still applies to today .

[Medhia Nox]

@Humanoid_Typhoon: This conversation really isn't worthy of Sun Tzu.

[Fast Jimmy]

^

That's not entirely accurate. I mean, you would have to lose at least ONE battle to lose a war.

Since people are throwing around some Sun Tzu, let me just pop this one out:

"Know your enemy and know yourself, find naught in fear for 100 battles. Know yourself but not your enemy, find level of loss and victory. Know thy enemy but not yourself, wallow in defeat every time."

Since we don't know what the Reapers even really ARE, aside from organic, mechanized hybrids bent on the extinction of all galactic sentient life, then we fail that criteria.

And since we don't know why both the Protheans and the Reapers had/have such a keen interest in the human race, we don't know ourselves.

So the way we win? Find the answer to those two questions. Once we know ourselves and know our enemy, THAT'S how we beat the Reapers.

ME3 isn't a combat scenario... its a fact finding mission. We need to find the answers in time for survival.



Slightly off topic, a cool "bad" ending for ME3 would be the complete destruction of all life with us leaving clues behind about the Reapers and how to defeat them, for the next group of sentient beings to rise up.

[ArcticAvenger]

Drake_Hound wrote...

But still no chuck norris incarnated ala Shepard.

You do know battle hardened and lucky god like SoB isn´t the same .
The old saying , he might be good , but is he lucky . still applies to today .

Luck helped them exterminate God knows how many races over the course of MILIONS of years?
Damn, man. I want that luck.

Fast Jimmy wrote...

Slightly
off topic, a cool "bad" ending for ME3 would be the complete
destruction of all life with us leaving clues behind about the Reapers
and how to defeat them, for the next group of sentient beings to rise
up.

I see the ending of ME3 sorta like the ending for Homeworld 2. You not only had to fight the enemy fleet, but also take out the ICBM's that were killing most of the population on the planet. Your main objective, besides taking out the fleet, was to make sure ENOUGH people on earth survived, so that you would have a viable population.

Played that game some years ago... so forgive my mistakes.

Modifié par ArcticAvenger, 04 août 2011 - 04:39 .