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[Lotion Soronarr]

AlphaDormante wrote...
Addressed in my last post. Whether or not Reapers are interested in the sentient life itself, it is very likely that they need to travel down to the planet in order to collect resources and technology. This is a theory put forward by Vigil himself, who is by far the most reliable source where Reaper invasion is concerned.

That's what slaves and husks and indoctrinated are for. LEave em on the planet to collectresource,s you go and pulverize another.

Again, NO reason whatsoever for a reaper to hang around on the planet.

Actually, you're wrong there.
The point of bomb and run isn't to eradicate all sentient life. It's to quickly eradiate all viable RESISTANCE.
What life is left on the planet would be in no shape to fight back, and the reapers can return later to finish the job.

The point it to strike fast, not giving the races time to mount a proper offensive or gather forces. After that is dealth with, eliminating the few remains is a cake walk.

Possible. Your point? We aren't discussing the Reapers' bombing tactics, we're discussing the fact that bombs are not capable of destroying 100% of life from orbit. Sooner or later, they're going to have to go down and weed out the stragglers.

And I'm saying that that's exactly the best tactic to employ and that they have no need to land at all.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yet they still landed on Earth...

[AlphaDormante]

That's what slaves and husks and indoctrinated are for. LEave em on the planet to collectresource,s you go and pulverize another.

Again, NO reason whatsoever for a reaper to hang around on the planet.

And pray tell, how would these resources get from the slaves to the Reapers? There's only two options: one, the resources are carried from the planet to the Reapers. Two, the Reapers travel down to the planet to collect the hoard themselves.

Which is more tactically sound? Two. Think about it - if you had the option between a heavily armored ship and a plain one, both important, which would you prefer to put in harm's way? The Reapers could risk the ships ferrying their resources to be targeted and destroyed, or they could make the trip themselves with armor that a whole fleet couldn't destroy without inside work.

And I'm saying that that's exactly the best tactic to employ and that they have no need to land at all.

Vigil stated that it took the Reapers decades to eliminate every Prothean. Why would the Reapers spend decades bombing everything repeatedly? It would cause massive damage to the planet that would severely inhibit the ability for new sentient life to form. The Reapers aren't brutes, they're strategists, and creating violently uninhabitable planets is not an intelligent move.

It's also worth pointing out that since you've conceded to the fact that Reapers are possibly after resources, bombing a planet to dust isn't a viable tactic in the first place.

Modifié par AlphaDormante, 06 août 2011 - 10:05 .

[Handavin]

Im just going to nuke the reapers and go home, if anyone qould like an actual attack plan that could work let me know

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yet they still landed on Earth...

They have to make their delicious milkshakes somehow, right?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yet they still landed on Earth...

They have to make their delicious milkshakes somehow, right?

Well,he said they have no need to land,but they did so...

[Rekkampum]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...
Addressed in my last post. Whether or not Reapers are interested in the sentient life itself, it is very likely that they need to travel down to the planet in order to collect resources and technology. This is a theory put forward by Vigil himself, who is by far the most reliable source where Reaper invasion is concerned.

That's what slaves and husks and indoctrinated are for. LEave em on the planet to collectresource,s you go and pulverize another.

Again, NO reason whatsoever for a reaper to hang around on the planet.

Actually, you're wrong there.
The point of bomb and run isn't to eradicate all sentient life. It's to quickly eradiate all viable RESISTANCE.
What life is left on the planet would be in no shape to fight back, and the reapers can return later to finish the job.

The point it to strike fast, not giving the races time to mount a proper offensive or gather forces. After that is dealth with, eliminating the few remains is a cake walk.

Possible. Your point? We aren't discussing the Reapers' bombing tactics, we're discussing the fact that bombs are not capable of destroying 100% of life from orbit. Sooner or later, they're going to have to go down and weed out the stragglers.

And I'm saying that that's exactly the best tactic to employ and that they have no need to land at all.

Nobody really knows the intentions of the Reapers aside from the basic so we can't say that there wasn't a need. The Reapers clearly only make decisions that they feel are necessary. The reasoning behind this - aside from the overcooked "humanity is special and poses a unique threat to the Reapers" - will probably not be delved into for awhile in the game. Also, they might still be trying to make a human Reaper like they were in the second, so them landing to harvest and indoctrinate humans is possibly the most viable explanation for their need to invade Earth directly.

[Rekkampum]

AlphaDormante wrote...

Vigil stated that it took the Reapers decades to eliminate every Prothean. Why would the Reapers spend decades bombing everything repeatedly? It would cause massive damage to the planet that would severely inhibit the ability for new sentient life to form. The Reapers aren't brutes, they're strategists, and creating violently uninhabitable planets is not an intelligent move.

It's also worth pointing out that since you've conceded to the fact that Reapers are possibly after resources, bombing a planet to dust isn't a viable tactic in the first place.

This.

[SpiffySquee]

Rekkampum wrote...

AlphaDormante wrote...

Vigil stated that it took the Reapers decades to eliminate every Prothean. Why would the Reapers spend decades bombing everything repeatedly? It would cause massive damage to the planet that would severely inhibit the ability for new sentient life to form. The Reapers aren't brutes, they're strategists, and creating violently uninhabitable planets is not an intelligent move.

It's also worth pointing out that since you've conceded to the fact that Reapers are possibly after resources, bombing a planet to dust isn't a viable tactic in the first place.

This.

Plus, there are always ways to lure them down. Hide the population deep underground where bombardment can't reach them. Force them to come down and smoke us out. One advantage we do have is that the reapers are methodical. Hit one planet, move to the next. It would not be hard to predict their next target and prepare.

Do they guard the Relay during an attack? Leave the 2600 ships spread out in the system the reapers are about to attack. Shut off everything but life support so there are no heat emissions. Once the reapers start the attack, spool up and jump them from in system.

The point is that it is not a perfect plan. It's a good start. I am sure the best minds in the galaxy could make it even better. The point was simply to show that we CAN fight them. It would not be graceful, and we might not have a great chance, but Reaper victory is not the forgone conclusion Lotion said it was.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Offtopic:70 pages.
On topic: The one thing we got on Earth,on the ground anyway,is home field advantage,they can send husks,but we know where to funnel them.

"If it bleeds,we can kill it."

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 07 août 2011 - 12:03 .

[SpiffySquee]

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

[didymos1120]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

"If it bleeds,we can kill it."

They don't bleed, actually.

[Rekkampum]

didymos1120 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

"If it bleeds,we can kill it."

They don't bleed, actually.

That's right, they just splatter into techno goo, which is cooler imo.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

didymos1120 wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

"If it bleeds,we can kill it."

They don't bleed, actually.

Oh,well whatever that blue sh---stuff that flys out of them.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SpiffySquee wrote...

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

It probably hasn't been done before because...well it's a bit overkill.

[SpiffySquee]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

It probably hasn't been done before because...well it's a bit overkill.

Overkill, meet Reapers. Reapers, meet Overkill! Play nice boys...

Modifié par SpiffySquee, 07 août 2011 - 12:19 .

[Rekkampum]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

It probably hasn't been done before because...well it's a bit overkill.

Those would also be very hard to control, wouldn't they? I mean, that is FTL.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Overkill, meet Reapers. Reapers, meet Overkill! Play nice boys...

Then again when you are talking about machines that wipe the galaxy of life,the word doesn't really apply.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Rekkampum wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

It probably hasn't been done before because...well it's a bit overkill.

Those would also be very hard to control, wouldn't they? I mean, that is FTL.

hitting a reaper at those speeds may prove near impossible,but a planet? who know's,when we launched the mars probes the math had to be exactly right or you miss by forever.

[SpiffySquee]

Rekkampum wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

It probably hasn't been done before because...well it's a bit overkill.

Those would also be very hard to control, wouldn't they? I mean, that is FTL.

What I would love to know is how much space and time you need to activate FTL. If I could get within visual range and THEN activate it, I could probably hit the reaper before it could do much... but that's a big if

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

SpiffySquee wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

It probably hasn't been done before because...well it's a bit overkill.

Those would also be very hard to control, wouldn't they? I mean, that is FTL.

What I would love to know is how much space and time you need to activate FTL. If I could get within visual range and THEN activate it, I could probably hit the reaper before it could do much... but that's a big if

Yeah you never get a good idea of how nonrelay FTL works.

[Rekkampum]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

Rekkampum wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

SpiffySquee wrote...

I also want to address the idea of "If FTL missiles were possible why has no one done it?" We don't know if anyone has done it. We simply have never been told. Remember it is a game. They have to choose what to tell you becasue they cannot fit an entire galaxy of information onto a disk. Since the idea of slamming into something at FTL speeds never came up in the story, it was never discussed. That is not proof that it has never happened. That's like saying, "Can Turians have twins? Well it was never mentioned int the game so it must not be possible!"

Well then, why didn't the Batarians do it in bring down the sky? Probably becasue they only had one ship and did not want to destroy their ride home when they had a conveniently ready asteroid to do the job for them.

It probably hasn't been done before because...well it's a bit overkill.

Those would also be very hard to control, wouldn't they? I mean, that is FTL.

What I would love to know is how much space and time you need to activate FTL. If I could get within visual range and THEN activate it, I could probably hit the reaper before it could do much... but that's a big if

Yeah you never get a good idea of how nonrelay FTL works.

Probably because it would a take a dissertation to adequately explain it- *if* they are even capable of that.

[Bogsnot1]

2 parts space wizard, 3 parts hand waving, 1 part "hey, look over there", and thats how non relay FTL works.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL
Nonrelay^^

[Rekkampum]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/FTL
Nonrelay^^

This still kinda sucks. It doesn't explain why people aren't affected by this. After all, they aren't the ones traveling at that speed, so wouldn't it be likely for them, excepting an equal opposite force acting on them, to practically be squashed? I'm guessing mass effect fields are somehow the magic elixir that solves this problem.