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[Anacronian Stryx]

Osiris273 wrote...

Nuclear weapons can bypass shields, I'll say no more.

What makes you say that?

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...

Um, them merely being on a planet's surface doesn't mean they have barriers up.  It means they're generating an ME field to reduce their own mass, which is a different application of ME fields entirely.  See the derelict: had a field up allowing it to keep station above the brown dwarf.  Did NOT have kinetic barriers up until you were well inside.

Point is: They can have their shields up.

[Anacronian Stryx]

I think it's dangerous to make to many assumptions on what the reapers can and cannot do, Since we have seen that they aren't necessary bound by the same rules as the other races - like they didn't have to discharge their drive cores during the long trek from dark space.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Sauce?

Sovereign landing on a planet, which no other dreadnought that isn't a Reaper can, and then there's this:

It shows the reapers landing. It doesn't confirm they stil lhave their kinetic barriers on.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You loose a planet. Better than that loose all of them.

With that tactic, you will lose all of them.

Why do you think so?

If you manage to kill a few reapers but nuke the planet in the process, it's still a win. And..as I said - MD fire is pretty accurate for one, and for 2, a planet can take quite a lot of nukes and still be habitable.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I think it's dangerous to make to many assumptions on what the reapers can and cannot do, Since we have seen that they aren't necessary bound by the same rules as the other races - like they didn't have to discharge their drive cores during the long trek from dark space.

How do we know they didn't do it?

[Anacronian Stryx]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I think it's dangerous to make to many assumptions on what the reapers can and cannot do, Since we have seen that they aren't necessary bound by the same rules as the other races - like they didn't have to discharge their drive cores during the long trek from dark space.

How do we know they didn't do it?

How could they?

[Pulletlamer]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You loose a planet. Better than that loose all of them.

With that tactic, you will lose all of them.

Why do you think so?

If you manage to kill a few reapers but nuke the planet in the process, it's still a win. And..as I said - MD fire is pretty accurate for one, and for 2, a planet can take quite a lot of nukes and still be habitable.

The people that live in that planet would like to disagree.

Sure, you kill a few Reapers. Assuming you killed a large percenatge of them, which I doubt, (since they could get the hell out of there before taking heavy losses), you just lost a planet and made the Reapers work (of exterminating the galaxy) easier. They don't have to worry anymore about that planet. Good job. keep doing that, and soon enough you won't have enough planets avaivable to defend.

And assuming you succeded, and won the war, you just have condemned every race in the galaxy to live as nomads at best.

I't not a win if you're facilitating the Reaper work.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 07 août 2011 - 03:40 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


It shows the reapers landing. It doesn't confirm they stil lhave their kinetic barriers on.

Eh, yes, it does. Look at the projectiles. You can see them colliding with the Reapers' barriers.

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Why do you think so?

If you manage to kill a few reapers but nuke the planet in the process, it's still a win. And..as I said - MD fire is pretty accurate for one, and for 2, a planet can take quite a lot of nukes and still be habitable.

Nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke, nuke. Is that all people can come up with? Come on.

Dreadnoughts have been used in scorched earth campaigns, because of the destructive force their main weapons have. If enough dust is swirled up into the atmosphere and blocks the sun, just that is enough to kill the majority of the planet's population. And the shockwave of the impact can kill thousands, if not millions.

And destroying Reapers in the atmosphere is not a good thing. Why? Remember that Alliance ship that exploded so violently that it knocked Shepard off his feet in the E3 demo? That's because the dark energy (or is it dark matter? Can't really remember which) the ships are using was released uncontrollably. In space, where there's no air, this isn't much of a problem.

I'd imagine that a Reaper contains much more dark energy/matter than our dreadnoughts.

[King Minos]

Maybe mass effect 3 will end with the reapers destroyed BUT at the sacrifice of losing all mass relays and losing contact with other species? Once the relays are gone, it would take a long time to get to other solar systems right? In the end Humanity stands at the top because there is no one to challenge it.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Osiris273 wrote...

Nuclear weapons can bypass shields, I'll say no more.

What makes you say that?

Kinetic barriers stop impact,you can't block out heat,so you hit a reaper with a miniature sun...well.

Actually,nukes are hotter then Sol.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 07 août 2011 - 05:02 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I think it's dangerous to make to many assumptions on what the reapers can and cannot do, Since we have seen that they aren't necessary bound by the same rules as the other races - like they didn't have to discharge their drive cores during the long trek from dark space.

How do we know they didn't do it?

How could they?

My bad..I thogh you said after.

Clearly thay have a lot longer operational range than our ships.
Whihc ramps their mobiltiy even higher..and makes us even more screwed.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Pulletlamer wrote...
The people that live in that planet would like to disagree.

They'd be regretable mayrtyrs.

Sure, you kill a few Reapers. Assuming you killed a large percenatge of them, which I doubt, (since they could get the hell out of there before taking heavy losses), you just lost a planet and made the Reapers work (of exterminating the galaxy) easier. They don't have to worry anymore about that planet. Good job. keep doing that, and soon enough you won't have enough planets avaivable to defend.

And assuming you succeded, and won the war, you just have condemned every race in the galaxy to live as nomads at best.

I't not a win if you're facilitating the Reaper work.

So..how did we go to sudden total distruction of ALL planets?
Or even total eradication of all life?

[Abispa]

The answer lies in some unknown combination of EDI, dark energy, and scale itch.

[Eternal Phoenix]

It's a human reaper! Kill it!

[General User]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

I think it's dangerous to make to many assumptions on what the reapers can and cannot do, Since we have seen that they aren't necessary bound by the same rules as the other races - like they didn't have to discharge their drive cores during the long trek from dark space.

How do we know they didn't do it?

How could they?

They could have "way-stations" set up along the path to the Milky Way for just this situation.  They seemed to have the Alpha Relay and Object Rho in place just in case they had to go "the long way around".

Alternatively, the Reapers could discharge their drive cores into each other (that sounds dirty, but really isn't). If that were the case, it is likely that the number of Reapers to actually make it to the Milky Way is far lower than the number of Reapers that set out from Dark Space.

I think Dean had a thread about this...

[SandTrout]

Also, Dark Space isn't completely empty. There are still objects floating around out there, but they are more spread out than galactic space and do not have stars close enough to illuminate them.

[szkasypcze]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Osiris273 wrote...

Nuclear weapons can bypass shields, I'll say no more.

What makes you say that?

Have you seen the Independence Day?? They cannot. Period.

Modifié par szkasypcze, 07 août 2011 - 08:20 .

[Rekkampum]

Shepard's secret brain chip will corrupt him and force him to take over the Reapers and go down in infamy as he spreads their power across the universe like never before. Then, it will be up to Blasto the Hanar Spectre to save the universe and Enkindle a new future for us all.

[Pulletlamer]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Sure, you kill a few Reapers. Assuming you killed a large percenatge of them, which I doubt, (since they could get the hell out of there before taking heavy losses), you just lost a planet and made the Reapers work (of exterminating the galaxy) easier. They don't have to worry anymore about that planet. Good job. keep doing that, and soon enough you won't have enough planets avaivable to defend.

And assuming you succeded, and won the war, you just have condemned every race in the galaxy to live as nomads at best.

I't not a win if you're facilitating the Reaper work.

So..how did we go to sudden total distruction of ALL planets?
Or even total eradication of all life?

Not saying you're destroying all planets at once, but you'll eventually do so if you keep doing that tactic.

Just saying, if you keep nuking planets to death some (or all) of these things will happen:

1) You'll destroy the races homeworlds, thus earning distrust on other races. And assuming you destroy earth with that same "tactic" you'll earn distrust among humanity.

2) You'll be seen as a ruthless bastard, giving yourself trouble in finding allies. Nuking planets of potential allies it's not a very friendly (or smart) move.

3) You'll eventually destroy so many planets that the cost will outweigh the reaper deaths. Killing a few reapers vs destroying a planet it's not a very intelligent move unless there's ALL the Reapers in that planet and they couldn't survive or something. With the scenario you presented, the Reapers could still continue causing havoc in other planets /systems, and you repeating the same move again and again (nuking planets) would eventually end up with the galaxy decimated or anihilated before you could destroy all the reapers.

4) You'll eventually run out of planets to nuke, of course. xD

5) You failed at being the defender of the galaxy. You're supposed to at least save some homeworlds / habitable planets for it being considered a "win". Destroying planets here and there don't helps at it.

Plus would you use that tactic on earth? I doubt so, if you still want to be considered a hero.

Nuking a planet to death / doing orbital strikes is a pretty good way of eliminating most or all life in it, or leaving it unhabitable.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 07 août 2011 - 08:31 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

szkasypcze wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Osiris273 wrote...

Nuclear weapons can bypass shields, I'll say no more.

What makes you say that?

Have you seen the Independence Day?? They cannot. Period.

That was a silly movie(that made like $980m) and in ME and in real life ,nukes have a little thing called thermodynamics,no doubt the kinetic barriers would probably stop the impact force,but the fact of the matter is you just shoved a sun into what the reapers call a face.



Also,Shepard better kill something and say "Welcome to erff."

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 07 août 2011 - 08:35 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

So..how did we go to sudden total distruction of ALL planets?
Or even total eradication of all life?

Not saying you're destroying all planets at once, but you'll eventually do so if you keep doing that tactic.

Just saying, if you keep nuking planets to death some (or all) of these things will happen:

1) You'll destroy the races homeworlds, thus earning distrust on other races. And assuming you destroy earth with that same "tactic" you'll earn distrust among humanity.

Distrust is irrelevant. Survival is.

2) You'll be seen as a ruthless bastard, giving yourself trouble in finding allies. Nuking planets of potential allies it's not a very friendly (or smart) move.

Again. Survival is the only thing that matters. Better to nuke 100 planets than to loose 5000

3) You'll eventually destroy so many planets that the cost will outweigh the reaper deaths. Killing a few reapers vs destroying a planet it's not a very intelligent move unless there's ALL the Reapers in that planet and they couldn't survive or something. With the scenario you presented, the Reapers could still continue causing havoc in other planets /systems, and you repeating the same move again and again (nuking planets) would eventually end up with the galaxy decimated or anihilated before you could destroy all the reapers.

That depends on the number of reapers destroyed per planet and number of planets, now doesn't it?
And there's millions of planets in the Milky way.

4) You'll eventually run out of planets to nuke, of course. xD

You'll sooner run out of reapers. If htere are THAT many reapers, then we're all dead anyway.

5) You failed at being the defender of the galaxy. You're supposed to at least save some homeworlds / habitable planets for it being considered a "win". Destroying planets here and there don't helps at it.

That depends on how many and what planets surive.

Plus would you use that tactic on earth? I doubt so, if you still want to be considered a hero.

I don't care about being considered a hero. That's for ego-hogs to think about.
As long as thereis a universe left, I dont' care if I'm the next Super Hitler.

Nuking a planet to death / doing orbital strikes is a pretty good way of eliminating most or all life in it, or leaving it unhabitable.

Depends on the number of rounds that hit the planet.

[Pulletlamer]

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

Not saying you're destroying all planets at once, but you'll eventually do so if you keep doing that tactic.

Just saying, if you keep nuking planets to death some (or all) of these things will happen:

1) You'll destroy the races homeworlds, thus earning distrust on other races. And assuming you destroy earth with that same "tactic" you'll earn distrust among humanity.[/quote]
Distrust is irrelevant. Survival is.[/quote]

You can't survive if you don't have enough ships or enough allies to combat the reapers. And to have that alliances you need the other races trust. Even if it's just some of those races.

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

2) You'll be seen as a ruthless bastard, giving yourself trouble in finding allies. Nuking planets of potential allies it's not a very friendly (or smart) move.[/quote]
Again. Survival is the only thing that matters. Better to nuke 100 planets than to loose 5000[/quote]

Indeed, you can say so, but you're reducing your potential alliances. I don't think the Asari or the Salarians are going to be happy if they destroy their homeworlds when there actually were other options.

Nuking should be the last resource to be used. Only if we can't figure another way to beat the Reapers. Not as a repeated tactic.

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

3) You'll eventually destroy so many planets that the cost will outweigh the reaper deaths. Killing a few reapers vs destroying a planet it's not a very intelligent move unless there's ALL the Reapers in that planet and they couldn't survive or something. With the scenario you presented, the Reapers could still continue causing havoc in other planets /systems, and you repeating the same move again and again (nuking planets) would eventually end up with the galaxy decimated or anihilated before you could destroy all the reapers.[/quote]
That depends on the number of reapers destroyed per planet and number of planets, now doesn't it?
And there's millions of planets in the Milky way.[/quote]

True, it depens. But you're missing one key element and it's that not all planets on the milky way are habitable or have large populations in it. The Reapers are going to attack the stronghold first, probably, not some colony with 300 habitants. At least that was what I would do if I was a Reaper.

[quote]Lotion Soronar wrote...

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

4) You'll eventually run out of planets to nuke, of course. xD[/quote]
You'll sooner run out of reapers. If htere are THAT many reapers, then we're all dead anyway.[/quote]
You can't know for sure. In fact I would easily assume otherwise, due to the fact we don't know the Reaper's strength.

[quote]Lotion Soronar wrote...

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

5) You failed at being the defender of the galaxy. You're supposed to at least save some homeworlds / habitable planets for it being considered a "win". Destroying planets here and there don't helps at it.[/quote]
That depends on how many and what planets surive.[/quote]
Which also depends on the number of Reapers and the number of homeworlds / habitable planets that the galaxy also has. We can continue to add variables if you want. Doesn't change the fact you're destroying planets, and there's a limited number of them.

[quote]Lotion Soronar wrote...

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

Plus would you use that tactic on earth? I doubt so, if you still want to be considered a hero.[/quote]
I don't care about being considered a hero. That's for ego-hogs to think about.
As long as thereis a universe left, I dont' care if I'm the next Super Hitler.[/quote]

Being a Hitler doesn't help in getting allies to combat the Reapers. If you really need aid against them you'll actually want to consider earnig their trust.

[quote]Lotion Soronar wrote...

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

Nuking a planet to death / doing orbital strikes is a pretty good way of eliminating most or all life in it, or leaving it unhabitable.[/quote]
Depends on the number of rounds that hit the planet.[/quote]

If you want to kill Reapers you'll have to actually want to hit them heavy.

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 07 août 2011 - 09:02 .

[Someone With Mass]

This whole "it's sacrifice or genocide" BS is just idiotic.

And it's exactly how Cerberus thinks it works. That sacrificing a thousand star systems/civilizations is for "the greater good" as long as it means killing the Reapers/acquiring technology or information.

It's like they took the quote "The need of the many outweigh the need of the few" a little too seriously.

With that attitude, there won't be anything worth saving or reclaiming when it's over.

[Lotion Soronarr]

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

You can't survive if you don't have enough ships or enough allies to combat the reapers. And to have that alliances you need the other races trust. Even if it's just some of those races.[/quote]

If those allies aren't ready to use drastic measures in a drastic situation....then I don't need that kind of allies.

[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...


Indeed, you can say so, but you're reducing your potential alliances. I don't think the Asari or the Salarians are going to be happy if they destroy their homeworlds when there actually were other options.

Nuking should be the last resource to be used. Only if we can't figure another way to beat the Reapers. Not as a repeated tactic.[/quote]

IF there are other options. Big if.


[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

5) You failed at being the defender of the galaxy. You're supposed to at least save some homeworlds / habitable planets for it being considered a "win". Destroying planets here and there don't helps at it.[/quote]
That depends on how many and what planets surive.[/quote]

Which also depends on the number of Reapers and the number of homeworlds / habitable planets that the galaxy also has. We can continue to add variables if you want. Doesn't change the fact you're destroying planets, and there's a limited number of them.[/quote]

There's also a limited number of reapers.



[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

Being a Hitler doesn't help in getting allies to combat the Reapers. If you really need aid against them you'll actually want to consider earnig their trust.[/quote]

See 1.



[quote]
[quote]Lotion Soronar wrote...
[quote]Pulletlamer wrote...

Nuking a planet to death / doing orbital strikes is a pretty good way of eliminating most or all life in it, or leaving it unhabitable.[/quote]
Depends on the number of rounds that hit the planet.[/quote]

If you want to kill Reapers you'll have to actually want to hit them heavy.
[/quote]

I want to hit them accurately. The hardest of swings is useless if it doesn't connect.

[xXRevan0515Xx]

Humanity is the wild card...This is why Commander (insert first name here) Shepard isn't an Asari or Turian. Shepard has foiled the Old Machines' every attempt thus far to return, and managed to lead the assault that led to Nazara's demise. These "Reapers" are not as invincible as they seem to lead on. It is a daunting task, but not undo-able.