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[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Assuming that every ship that crashes will in-fact leak eezo.

Yes, you get it at last. Let's assume the worst.

It was actually supposed to be a snyde remark,I'm still on the "Earth can be saved" train,so good luck with surrendering.

[Ben800000]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ben800000 wrote...

I suspect the resolution will involve a eucatastrophe, not a deus ex machina.

I hope not. LOTR sucked becuase of that crap.

I want a hard fought victory that is the result of clever thinking on the part of the protagonists. I want it to be based on a sound strategy and utilizing knowledge about the enemy to exploit their weaknesses and play up our own strengths (whatever they might be).

The assault on the Death Star is a good example. The rebels win because they steal the plans, find a weakness, and attack it in a novel way that the Empire never suspected.

I'm not exactly seeing the sunlight between the resolutions of LOTR and Star Wars (and Return of the Jedi). Also, a eucatastrophe is a sudden reversal in favor of the protagonist, but it doesn't mean that it wasn't planned on. The plan had been to destroy the ring to get rid of Sauron from the beginning of the book (and for 3,000 or so years in the book). 

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

It was actually supposed to be a snyde remark

...and mine was sarcasm. I've long since given up trying to hammer even a tiny bit of sense into your dense skull.

Hundreds of ships spilling their drive cores into the envirnoment is going to be bad. The question is how bad will it be?

Eingana does not offer much hope for a positive aftermath.

Ah yes the insults,sure-fire way to victory.

"I have one source that I base my assumption off of,your argument is invalid."

[Ben800000]

So, you want like 800 missions where we blow up one Reaper at a time? No dramatic turning point?

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

"I have one source that I base my assumption off of,your argument is invalid."

My "one" (I listed others) source is better than the complete lack of sources favored by you and your ilk.

Plenty of credible arguments have been brought up,you just refuse to accept them,that isn't the same thing as them not being credible,or as you would say "stupid"

[Savber100]

What's with the negative attitude towards Saphra's theory? 

I think it's a fascinating idea if Bioware follows this little bit of lore. Maybe Earth would turn into near-inhabitable wasteland where we can then have a post-apocalyptic spin-off. :innocent:

That said, while I seriously hope this codex info is a clue to the fate of Earth in ME3, I don't think I would really react negatively if this doesn't happen. 

[Johnny34]

Blow up the relay...that actually sounds like the smartest idea, the reapers would definitely see the blast/shockwave coming and be able to 'outrun' it, but it would buy a whole lot of time for the rest of the galaxy to prepare.

[King Minos]

I think destroying relays when the reapers are near and blow them up, obviously at the risk of total isOlation from the rest of the galaxy for that species, quite a big choice.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Plenty of credible arguments have been brought up,you just refuse to accept them,that isn't the same thing as them not being credible,or as you would say "stupid"

No, credible arguments were not brought up. All your side ever did was make assumptions and then attempt to throw out any evidence I brought forward in support of my argument.

But all you have are assumptions as well,when we broke down the situation at eigana you claim it isn't good enough,when we compare it to real-world enviromental disasters you claim that it isn't applicable.

We never threw out your assumptions or evidence,we just disputed it,when we made as assumption you called us all stupid and the situation just "fits in perfectly to what we want" but when you did the same,it was fact,set in stone.

[Ben800000]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Ben800000 wrote...

So, you want like 800 missions where we blow up one Reaper at a time? No dramatic turning point?

No, I want a clear-build up and I want to go into the final mission knowing exactly what we're going to do to win. I don't wnat it to be a sudden surprise that comes out of left-field. I also want the armada we are forming to be a part of it. I don't want them to be rushing off to death while Shepard and company fight to unleash some undead army to save the or some such stupid crap.

So, your saying you don't like Star Wars' resolution? Luke only blew up the Death Star because he gets messages from Ben Kenobi and Han Solo turns out to be a softie. They were the brink of failure, and would have failed had it not been for those two developments (and these are only not a deus ex machina because they built up the force in the movie and developed Han's character).

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

But all you have are assumptions as well,

No, I have sources and evidence and theories based on that evidence.

You have one unique scenario that is in itself an assumption of the events that transpired on that planet.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Plenty of credible arguments have been brought up,you just refuse to accept them,that isn't the same thing as them not being credible,or as you would say "stupid"

No, credible arguments were not brought up. All your side ever did was make assumptions and then attempt to throw out any evidence I brought forward in support of my argument.

To be fair, your arguments and theories are based upon assumptions as well.  I considered your evidence very thouroughly, I dissected it, and then offered counter-evidence, to which you blathered about not appreciating scale (which, is not a truth, merely an opinion).

When considering a surrender (which, in a war setting is always likely), one has to consider all of the possibilities, and continue on a course of action that coincides with the most likely scenario.  One planet, in a galaxy of thousands, and a handful of eezo core detonations over a few human settlements is just not enough to convince most people that end times are here.

Should there be any more evidence presented now or in the future (as in ME3) correlating to your argument and making your theory more likely then mine, then strategy (or possible defeat) might be considered.

[Johnny34]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Johnny34 wrote...

Blow up the relay...that actually sounds like the smartest idea, the reapers would definitely see the blast/shockwave coming and be able to 'outrun' it, but it would buy a whole lot of time for the rest of the galaxy to prepare.

It might give us a lot of time or it might not. No way to be certain. That time could even wind up working against us since some might wish to assume the Reapers were all destroyed. After all, we'd have no way to verify that they were caught in the blast.

What do we do the next time the Reapers show up a couple of years later?

What the people do with the time would be up to them, but hundreds of years is a long to develop new technologies/strategies. They could choose to do nothing and just have fun existing for the next few centuries if they wanted to but I don't think they would assume a threat like that just disappeared.

Modifié par Johnny34, 15 août 2011 - 06:20 .

[SkittlesKat96]

Saphra Deden wrote...
This is my fear as well. I'm particularly curious to see how they address the issue of potentaily hundreds of starships being destroyed over the Earth and pouring refined element zero into the environment.

I also wonder how they're going to explain our ships being able to harm Reapers in the first place. At the Battle of the Citadel we could barely scratch Sovereign and it took considerable firepower to finally overwhelm its defenses. That kind of strategy just won't work on multiple Reapers, especially if they aren't conveniently sitting in place for us to shoot like Sovereign was.

It's not going to be pretty.

I don't have any ideas for the first one, but hopefully Bioware has seen this thread and/or already has a clever explanation for this.

As for the second one that one also concerns me too. The thing is though with the Battle of the Citadel a large portion of the Citadel fleet was scattered at different relays and it was a complete surprise attack that they hadn't fully prepared for and they were overwhelmed by Sovereign and a fairly big portion of the Geth fleet.

I'd imagine that the Council doesn't expect any surprise attacks so they didn't have the Destiny Ascension prepared, I reckon that if the Destiny Ascension, Citadel and Citadel Fleet were fully prepared they could have stopped all the Geth fleets and Sovereign (with how many casualties I don't know.)

I guess it just depends on whole the battle is played out. If Bioware makes the ending so the 'take back Earth' mission makes you only bring one Dreadnought and a dozen fleets then I'll be mad.

If I recall the Turians had the most Dreadnoughts, so they had better send several of them. I'm assuming that they'll still leave Dreadnoughts behind and armed/battle ready just in case the Reapers send their forces to Palaven too. The Reapers would be wise not to have all their forces at Earth I think but then again I don't know.

EDIT: I think that Carrier ships and Cruisers will play a big role in damaging the Reapers too.

Also I'd like to see a lot of tactics used in the battle too, for example some of the tactics that the Greek Themistocles used against the Persians and etc.

Also I think it would be interesting to see what the ground situation will be like, say for example you have Krogan Ground shocktroopers and Rachni what can they do to help besides just killing Husks?

EDIT 2: Okay I just realized I misunderstood your second question just a little bit...yeah I have no idea how smaller ships will damage Reapers either, I'm still not 100% sure how Sovereign was damaged either and how much of an effect the smaller ships did on it.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 15 août 2011 - 06:21 .

[Ben800000]

Uh, you were the one who brought both of those up and said you liked one ending and not the other. I'm trying to figure out what kind of ending you'd like when what you describe as desirable does not match your example. Do you understand the difference between a eucatastrophe and a deus ex machina?

As to reliance on codex entries and planet descriptions, that's a bit much to base things on. If we should give them weight, why not the Cerberus network messages? Perhaps we can hope for aid from the lone survivor of Planet DC1938? Hopefully Bioware will find enough good handwavium in the ME universe to counteract the bad!