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[aquamutt]

Saphra Deden wrote...
I've said before that I don't actually advocate surrender right now.

i'm sorry, musta read the thread title wrong

[SandTrout]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@SisterofShane: See - that's why the old days were better. When two people disagreed about "what makes a human" - swords and maces got involved - and the rest was washed away in the rain.

*sigh* If only these threads could be sorted out with barbarism. Such an honest time.

LOL, thanks, I needed that. Somehow, I don't think Saphra would be nearly as self-righteous if that were the case.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Which is completely contradictory to your OP.

It is written to be attention grabbing and to provoke a debate.

Flaming everyone who disagrees with you is not debate.

[Weskerr]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sisterofshane wrote...

Which is completely contradictory to your OP.

It is written to be attention grabbing and to provoke a debate.

Saphra Deden: I think such and such.

Poster: I disagree because of such and such

Saphra Deden: You're dumb. I''m right and you're wrong.

[SandTrout]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Flaming everyone who disagrees with you is not debate.

Flames happen when people present me with kindling (bad arguments and 'logic').

I understand. We really shouldn't let facts and historical trends get in the way of things....:innocent:

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

Medhia Nox wrote...

@SisterofShane: See - that's why the old days were better. When two people disagreed about "what makes a human" - swords and maces got involved - and the rest was washed away in the rain.

*sigh* If only these threads could be sorted out with barbarism. Such an honest time.

LOL, thanks, I needed that. Somehow, I don't think Saphra would be nearly as self-righteous if that were the case.

@Medhia Nox, when it comes down to it, I don't fight for ideals.  I fight to survive.  And at that point, anything is fair game.

Self-righteousness holds no place in a battle for survival!  Which is EXACTLY what this thread is about.

[Aradace]

*Warning, incoming metagaming* Guess what? We'll win no matter what. Why? Because it's a video game and unless they deliberately make the Reapers invincible and unbeatable. We'll find someway to "beat" them. End of story. Now Im sure there will be at least one ending where yes, we do "lose" and the Reapers "win". But beyond that, Im pretty sure almost every other ending will have us either "outright beating them" by some means or "pushing them back into dark space in some permanent manner". Either way, those constitute as wins.

BW isnt going to make a game franchise that builds you up for the 2 games, and then bends you over the barrel for the 3rd game where there is absolutely no way to win whatsoever. This is the gaming industry, not the movie industry. Your logic is flawed.

[Sisterofshane]

Saphra Deden wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Flaming everyone who disagrees with you is not debate.

Flames happen when people present me with kindling (bad arguments and 'logic').

It takes three things to start a "flame" as it were.  Fuel, oxygen, and HEAT.

You can't blame us for starting the fire when you are the one who lit the match.

[Medhia Nox]

@SisterofShane - and see, I don't fight to survive (it's futile - death is the purpose of all life), I fight for ideals. Isn't it wonderful how diverse we can be?

Now - raise your sword - and we shall sort out this disagreement!

====

As for this thread - yes, we can win. Yes - the game hints strongly that we are uniquely poised - unlike our predecessors - to defeat the Reapers.

There's really not much of a topic there.

[aquamutt]

Sisterofshane wrote...

It takes three things to start a "flame" as it were.  Fuel, oxygen, and HEAT.

You can't blame us for starting the fire when you are the one who lit the match.

I'm Commander Shepard, and only you can prevent BSN fires

[sh8dneji]

Pro for the OP

After looking though most of the posts, what I think the OP is trying to explain is a lose-lose situation.

Here is what I mean by lose-lose:

Destroy reapers= massive element zero posioning on the planet were Reaper was destroyed (Real world example: radiation from a nuclear weapon.)

While destroying the reapers would be a good thing, the collateral damage from the massive release of element zero would make the planet possible uninhabitable for hundreds if not thousands of years.

And not destroying the reapers...well I think that the cycle continue and since hundreds of Allance ships have been destoryed in the openning battle with the reapers. The cantamination has already started on earth.

Hence joining the reapers and becoming a immortal mech-cuttlefish would be better then trying for hundreds of years to find  non-contaminated worlds with the resourses to feed trillions of beings.


Con for the OP

The weakness of the OP argument is this: ALL the reapers would have to be destoryed in one spot to cause the contamation on the planet.

As in the demos, the reapers have the ability to move on their own without the support of other Reapers.

Though there might be hundreds of reapers, if Shepard an his allies manage to destroy the reapers around useless star sytems though differant means (Black holes, super novas and so on.) then the agurement of contamination of planets would be useless.


Final thoughts

The OP has presented a vaild agurmeent that for humanity to survie the possiblity of having most of the resourse in the galaxy being contaminted by joining the reapers and becoming immortal.

But the fact that Mass effect is a video game is this: Bioware will find/make a way to make sure that the mass effect galaxy is playable for future genarations of games.

Thank you for time and thoughts.

[Aradace]

Medhia Nox wrote...

@SisterofShane - and see, I don't fight to survive (it's futile - death is the purpose of all life), I fight for ideals. Isn't it wonderful how diverse we can be?

Now - raise your sword - and we shall sort out this disagreement!

====

As for this thread - yes, we can win. Yes - the game hints strongly that we are uniquely poised - unlike our predecessors - to defeat the Reapers.

There's really not much of a topic there.

I wouldnt be so macabre as to say "Death is the purpose of all life".  But I will say that it is certainlly an inevitable finality that none of us can escape.  When you wake up in the morning you will, in fact, be one day closer to death.  

As for the second half of your post, I agree totally.  Especially the very last sentence lol

[SandTrout]

Immortality through children is the only immortality I need.

[Sisterofshane]

SandTrout wrote...

Immortality through children is the only immortality I need.

Careful, your sweet side is showing! Wouldn't want anybody to know that you are just a big softie! :innocent:

[Aradace]

SandTrout wrote...

Immortality through children is the only immortality I need.

When you argue symantics, you're still not acheiving any "real" since of "immortality" because you're not transferring your soul or "essence" that makes you, you into the child.  You're merely producing an offspring and contributing 23 chromosones and the mother is doing the same.  It make "look" like you and have some of your mannerisms (through genetics or environment) But it is not, indeed, you.  (And yes, I know you know this already )

[SandTrout]

Ah, but my offspring is my legacy in a far more real way than a Human Reaper might be. I pass on traits that have made me 'me', combined with those traits of a suitable partner, and then pass on my values and perspective by raising the child.

It's not a perfect continuation, but it's the best we got, and beats the Reaper path, IMO.

[Medhia Nox]

@Aradace: I disgree - I have children for the sole purpose of carving out their personalities and replacing it with my own soul. Take THAT!

[Aradace]

SandTrout wrote...

Ah, but my offspring is my legacy in a far more real way than a Human Reaper might be. I pass on traits that have made me 'me', combined with those traits of a suitable partner, and then pass on my values and perspective by raising the child.

It's not a perfect continuation, but it's the best we got, and beats the Reaper path, IMO.

Ok, I'll give you that much, good point.  However, comma, what if the values you have, in fact, DONT pass onto your child?  What then? Or even your perspective?  It's not a farfetched idea that your child could be a complete 180 of who you are despite any amount of caring, raising, and nurturing you put into it.  Annnnnnnnnd now we're getting all philosophical lol.  Sorry about that, I'll get back OT 


@ Nox - Did you use an Arulin Holm for that? Or just a spoon to carve it out? lol

Modifié par Aradace, 15 août 2011 - 08:40 .

[SandTrout]

@Aradace,

OT was settled back on page 5, I think.

As for my child turning 180 on me, that implies a failure of mine somewhere, either in raising the child or some fundamental flaw in the values I was trying to pass on. Difficult to say on things like that. If the flaw is in my values, then the offspring will be better than me, and I can't hope for much more than that.

[Aradace]

That's true. In that regard. Im pretty sure ME3 wont let us have children (even in our endings). But if they did, Im pretty sure I'd want to "opt out" heh. Never been a big fan of kids and that's why Im glad my wife and I agree that neither of us ever want them lol.

[Arppis]

Would be interesting if following the full Renegade path would end up humanity having to ally with the reapers against rest of the galaxy.

[Aradace]

Arppis wrote...

Would be interesting if following the full Renegade path would end up humanity having to ally with the reapers against rest of the galaxy.

Wont happen seeing as how Renegade doesnt constitute "Evil" only "Victory by any means necessary".

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Aradace wrote...

Arppis wrote...

Would be interesting if following the full Renegade path would end up humanity having to ally with the reapers against rest of the galaxy.

Wont happen seeing as how Renegade doesnt constitute "Evil" only "Victory by any means necessary".

Any true Sith knows that victory by any means neccesary is unacceptable.