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[JGDD]

How wise would it be to use the torpedo method? I mean someone has to fire the silly thing and then try and beat it to the relay in a hasty exit. You draw straws or...?

Just wondering,

[ODST 3]

Screw earth. Once the Reapers landed, it was as good as done for anyway. I just want to take them all down with me and I will.

[Colintastic]

Saphra Deden wrote...

111987 wrote...

That suggests that the only way to destroy a Mass Relay is to smash an asteroid into it though.

You need something with a lot of mass. A lot of mass. If it were easier the Project wouldn't have needed to go about it the way they did.

You don't need a lot of mass, you need a lot of force. An astroid moving slowly with lots of mass has a crap ton of inertia. Small things moving really fast also have a crap ton of inertia. The damage would be comparable if not greater. So, the Klandagon gun would have a similar effect. Either way that relay is going to blow.

Regardless, I don't see this plan happening. a final solution is not going to come out of a plan that cripples the galaxy's ability to interact. They want to make more games remember. Destroying relays is bad for glactic chumming around. Visitors to the Mass Effect Milky Way will not be happy being stuck in the local cluster, Players will want to explore! 

So, a viable alternative is an eezo bomb. Why does it have to serve an alternate function as a travel way? Just have the exploding part. They can discover a prothean cash of data on how relays work, or how to assemble that much eezo (if, for example, present scientists have found it unstable in large quantities). Then detonate it, sacrificing a whole system. This of course suffers from the problem that it is soemthing of a duex ex machina and it completely eleminates the purpose of having to go rally the rest of the galaxy to war. Negating a large portion of the games purpose seems like a quick way to really ****** off players. There needs to be a logical flow of progression.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Fighting the reapers you have a distinct disadvantage in speed, manouverabiltiy, endourance, and msot of all communications. Quantum communicatiosn seem to be the norm the reapers use for everything.
They are going to know instantly when something happens. Your forces won't.

[SkittlesKat96]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Another tweet from Mac Walters. I asked how much longer Sovereign would have been able to keep going if the "Avatar Death = Power Failure" thing weren't the case. Here it is:

"Hard to say exactly, but the good guys would've sustained MUCH heavier losses for sure."

Its good we finally have a better confirmation about this, people have been arguing one way or the other over this for such a long time.

And its pretty logical too. Shepard was still important in stopping Sovereign but at least we know Reapers aren't completely unstoppable and we won't need to have some super macguffin (we'll no doubt get a few minor macguffins) to stop them.

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 08 septembre 2011 - 09:46 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

No? How do you figure?

This means Reapers are even MORE dangerous. Aftera all, do you expect them to field avatars en masse just so we can take advantage of this weakensss?

[SkittlesKat96]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No? How do you figure?

This means Reapers are even MORE dangerous. Aftera all, do you expect them to field avatars en masse just so we can take advantage of this weakensss?

Before the majority of people in the poll thought that only by destroying the avatar you could stop a Reaper

[Lotion Soronarr]

Not really...
Many thought it was the fleet that did Sovy ini.

This does not bode well for the galaxy.

The stronger the reapers are, the wiser the risks taken to stop the mbecome.

[hallfing]

can't we just FTL earth outta sol using charon relay before the reapers arrive? I mean we can put it right next to the Citadel...

Then we can all go "WAZZA" with the council and the other guys no ?

[111987]

hallfing wrote...

can't we just FTL earth outta sol using charon relay before the reapers arrive? I mean we can put it right next to the Citadel...

Then we can all go "WAZZA" with the council and the other guys no ?

Oh.My.God.

Why has nobody else thought of that??? That solves EVERYTHING!

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

hallfing wrote...

can't we just FTL earth outta sol using charon relay before the reapers arrive? I mean we can put it right next to the Citadel...

Then we can all go "WAZZA" with the council and the other guys no ?

Yes, because moving a garden world with billions of different species and is in just about a perfect distance from a star  as you can get,out of the habitible zone is completely viable.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

No? How do you figure?

This means Reapers are even MORE dangerous. Aftera all, do you expect them to field avatars en masse just so we can take advantage of this weakensss?

Perhaps we can find an exploit that allows us to create an avatar for any given Reaper.

[marstor05]

We will not lose our homeworld. The reapers have massively underestimated humanity.

[ThePwener]

hallfing wrote...

can't we just FTL earth outta sol using charon relay before the reapers arrive? I mean we can put it right next to the Citadel...

Then we can all go "WAZZA" with the council and the other guys no ?

We'll get right on that.......

[ThePwener]

marstor05 wrote...

We will not lose our homeworld. The reapers have massively underestimated humanity.

And everyone has not believed in them. Guess which one is more dangerous.

[Sajuro]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Theorically, couldn't you shoot something at it and increase its mass with eezo, don't disruptor torpedos work by increasing their mass?

How much eezo would that take? If that kind of weaponry was practical it would already be in use. One disruptor torpedo could take out an entire dreadnought.

given how much eezo shepard has stored up in the end of ME2 (the result of strip mining several planets) I'm sure we could manage at least one relay buster

[ThePwener]

Sajuro wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Theorically, couldn't you shoot something at it and increase its mass with eezo, don't disruptor torpedos work by increasing their mass?

How much eezo would that take? If that kind of weaponry was practical it would already be in use. One disruptor torpedo could take out an entire dreadnought.

given how much eezo shepard has stored up in the end of ME2 (the result of strip mining several planets) I'm sure we could manage at least one relay buster

[Someone With Mass]

hallfing wrote...

can't we just FTL earth outta sol using charon relay before the reapers arrive? I mean we can put it right next to the Citadel...

Then we can all go "WAZZA" with the council and the other guys no ?

Sounds like a great idea.

Sounds especially safe to the sensitive climate that's kept in check by our moon.

[Someone With Mass]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Perhaps we can find an exploit that allows us to create an avatar for any given Reaper.

I'd be a little disappointed if the way to beat them is to do the Reaper version of voodoo.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Perhaps we can find an exploit that allows us to create an avatar for any given Reaper.

I'd be a little disappointed if the way to beat them is to do the Reaper version of voodoo.

Same here, but some sort of deus ex seems inevitable...

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 11 septembre 2011 - 08:02 .

[ThePwener]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Perhaps we can find an exploit that allows us to create an avatar for any given Reaper.

I'd be a little disappointed if the way to beat them is to do the Reaper version of voodoo.

Same here, but some sort of deus ex seems inevitable...

Not exactly. A Deus Ex Machina is an "ass pull" that works as an outside force to solve an unsolvable problem. An example would be God raining holy fire from the heaves to kill all Reapers just when they are are about to win.

BW said that half-way though the game, just when things are looking bleak, an option (not a solution) will present itself, and said option will evolve and change depending on what you and what you have, so not everyone will get the same thing in the end. It may sound like a Deus Ex Machina, but it doesn't feel like it, since we can shape it ourselves and in the end it may not even fix the problem if you didn't use it right.

[Kaiser Shepard]

ThePwener wrote...

Not exactly. A Deus Ex Machina is an "ass pull" that works as an outside force to solve an unsolvable problem. An example would be God raining holy fire from the heaves to kill all Reapers just when they are are about to win.

BW said that half-way though the game, just when things are looking bleak, an option (not a solution) will present itself, and said option will evolve and change depending on what you and what you have, so not everyone will get the same thing in the end. It may sound like a Deus Ex Machina, but it doesn't feel like it, since we can shape it ourselves and in the end it may not even fix the problem if you didn't use it right.

BioWare says a lot of things, I'm not believing anything until I see it.

Besides, ass pulls aren't alll that uncommon in ME: just look at the Shadow Broker reveal...

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 11 septembre 2011 - 08:40 .

[hallfing]

I'm thinking they're gonna do the same thing the reapers did to the geth that turned heretic... give the reapers some virus that was partially their own and rewrite the programs inside them Scrubbed and ready to be used.

Shepard: where's my coffee??

Harbinger: I shall get it right away, master!

Modifié par hallfing, 11 septembre 2011 - 01:33 .

[Makkovar]

hallfing wrote...

I'm thinking they're gonna do the same thing the reapers did to the geth that turned heretic... give the reapers some virus that was partially their own and rewrite the programs inside them Scrubbed and ready to be used.

That's exactly what I fear could happen. It's way too obvious and way too dumb, would take all the scaryness from the Reapers (or what's left of it after ME2).

But looking at how Bioware does things so far I'm confident they are able to give us a better story then that. So far most my concerns about ME3 have been dispersed.

[hallfing]

Makkovar wrote...

hallfing wrote...

I'm thinking they're gonna do the same thing the reapers did to the geth that turned heretic... give the reapers some virus that was partially their own and rewrite the programs inside them Scrubbed and ready to be used.

That's exactly what I fear could happen. It's way too obvious and way too dumb, would take all the scaryness from the Reapers (or what's left of it after ME2).

But looking at how Bioware does things so far I'm confident they are able to give us a better story then that. So far most my concerns about ME3 have been dispersed.

I could go both ways I suppose... I wouldn't mind a route where we somehow convince them that co-existance can be better and we could supply them with the technology that they seek so often... but their passive indoctrination would be a problem overall...

What bothers me the most is that there was nazara and then there is harbinger... so at the end of mass effect 2 we see so many reapers heading for the galaxy... who could say for sure that there arent more personalities within the other reapers? If so wouldn't they have clashing decisions and personalities within themselves (group)?? who knows for sure if the others have independant thought patterns or not? some of them may probably be willing to reason with us

for example harbinger itself tells shepard during fights "If I have to tear you apart, I will" not that it matters because if you don't fight you die in the game lol... but that's the game; thinking about the other way around? why is it even talking? I mean should harbinger be bothered about whether to kill shepard or not when clearly either way the outcome would be the same?? I mean the little chat we have with it at the end of ARRIVAL just doesn't make sense theoratically speaking... the least it should say is "Meh... well I'm impressed you killed one of us but that doesn't make a difference" and hang up lol

Modifié par hallfing, 11 septembre 2011 - 03:13 .