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[Dasher1010]

Rmember how Reaper tech indoctrinates anyone who comes into contact with it? Let's see who may be indoctrinated already...

VS: Ash/Kaiden was on Horizon, hit by seeker swarms and then is suddenly free. Plus Ash refers to Shepard as, "a god." Something is very, very wrong.

TIM: His eyes were damaged by a reaper artifact.

The entier ME2 squad: The Normandy, in particular EDI were rebuilt using technology form the reapers.

Shepard: Was rebuilt with reaper technology.

The just leaves Liara, Anderson and Wrex as the only people in the galaxy who are still themselves and not under Harbinger's control who still know what they're fighting against.

Modifié par Dasher1010, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:15 .

[S.A.K]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Rmember how Reaper tech indoctrinates anyone who comes into contact with it? Let's see who may be indoctrinated already...

VS: Ash/Kaiden was on Horizon, hit by seeker swarms and then is suddenly free. Plus Ash refers to Shepard as, "a god." Something is very, very wrong.

TIM: His eyes were damaged by a reaper artifact.

The entier ME2 squad: The Normandy, in particular EDI were rebuilt using technology form the reapers.

Shepard: Was rebuilt with reaper technology.

The just leaves Liara, Anderson and Wrex as the only people in the galaxy who are still themselves and not under Harbinger's control who still know what they're fighting against.

Have to agree on VS and TIM once. I was wondering how the VS got free after struck by seeker swarms and her reaction to shepard was weird too.

[GoG ToXiC]

Did you hear the part in ME1 where everyone says that indoctrination is a gradual and subtle process. Besides, a reaper can't keep indoctrinating you after it's dead. Technology from a dead reaper, can't exactly indoctrinate you. And how would they be under Harbinger's control? I don't recall coming into direct contact with him.

[Dasher1010]

S.A.K wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Rmember how Reaper tech indoctrinates anyone who comes into contact with it? Let's see who may be indoctrinated already...

VS: Ash/Kaiden was on Horizon, hit by seeker swarms and then is suddenly free. Plus Ash refers to Shepard as, "a god." Something is very, very wrong.

TIM: His eyes were damaged by a reaper artifact.

The entier ME2 squad: The Normandy, in particular EDI were rebuilt using technology form the reapers.

Shepard: Was rebuilt with reaper technology.

The just leaves Liara, Anderson and Wrex as the only people in the galaxy who are still themselves and not under Harbinger's control who still know what they're fighting against.

Have to agree on VS and TIM once. I was wondering how the VS got free after struck by seeker swarms and her reaction to shepard was weird too.

You don't agree with the Normandy crew or at leat Joker since he's constantly near EDI. Plus Shepard ahving Reaper parts in him + constantly beign near reaper atrifacts = the end of ME3 having Shepard switch sides.......

[GoG ToXiC]

Dasher1010 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Rmember how Reaper tech indoctrinates anyone who comes into contact with it? Let's see who may be indoctrinated already...

VS: Ash/Kaiden was on Horizon, hit by seeker swarms and then is suddenly free. Plus Ash refers to Shepard as, "a god." Something is very, very wrong.

TIM: His eyes were damaged by a reaper artifact.

The entier ME2 squad: The Normandy, in particular EDI were rebuilt using technology form the reapers.

Shepard: Was rebuilt with reaper technology.

The just leaves Liara, Anderson and Wrex as the only people in the galaxy who are still themselves and not under Harbinger's control who still know what they're fighting against.

Have to agree on VS and TIM once. I was wondering how the VS got free after struck by seeker swarms and her reaction to shepard was weird too.

You don't agree with the Normandy crew or at leat Joker since he's constantly near EDI. Plus Shepard ahving Reaper parts in him + constantly beign near reaper atrifacts = the end of ME3 having Shepard switch sides.......

Correct me if I'm wrong, but weren't those parts from sovereighn, who is dead?  I fail to see how he could use his will to indoctrinate someone if he no longer exists...

[S.A.K]

Dasher1010 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

Dasher1010 wrote...

Rmember how Reaper tech indoctrinates anyone who comes into contact with it? Let's see who may be indoctrinated already...

VS: Ash/Kaiden was on Horizon, hit by seeker swarms and then is suddenly free. Plus Ash refers to Shepard as, "a god." Something is very, very wrong.

TIM: His eyes were damaged by a reaper artifact.

The entier ME2 squad: The Normandy, in particular EDI were rebuilt using technology form the reapers.

Shepard: Was rebuilt with reaper technology.

The just leaves Liara, Anderson and Wrex as the only people in the galaxy who are still themselves and not under Harbinger's control who still know what they're fighting against.

Have to agree on VS and TIM once. I was wondering how the VS got free after struck by seeker swarms and her reaction to shepard was weird too.

You don't agree with the Normandy crew or at leat Joker since he's constantly near EDI. Plus Shepard ahving Reaper parts in him + constantly beign near reaper atrifacts = the end of ME3 having Shepard switch sides.......

What GoG ToXiC said explains that.

[Dasher1010]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Did you hear the part in ME1 where everyone says that indoctrination is a gradual and subtle process. Besides, a reaper can't keep indoctrinating you after it's dead. Technology from a dead reaper, can't exactly indoctrinate you. And how would they be under Harbinger's control? I don't recall coming into direct contact with him.

Did you play the Reaper IFF mission?Yes it definately can.

[GoG ToXiC]

That reaper wasn't dead. Remember, it's shields came back online, and it's mass effect drive was still functioning. It was just in a state of low power, maybe waiting for the next reaper invasion, so that it could be restored or something.

[assassin of Keelah]

even a dead god can dream.....

[Dasher1010]

assassin of Keelah wrote...

even a dead god can dream.....

The final battle

Shepard: Alright Harbinger, it's jsut me adn you now.

Harbinger: ASSUMING CONTROL

Wrex: Looks like it's my turn now. Don't make me eat you.....

[Xarathox]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Did you hear the part in ME1 where everyone says that indoctrination is a gradual and subtle process. Besides, a reaper can't keep indoctrinating you after it's dead. Technology from a dead reaper, can't exactly indoctrinate you. And how would they be under Harbinger's control? I don't recall coming into direct contact with him.

Derelict Reaper disagrees with you.

[pablodurando]

The VS is the only one that I might actually credit with being indoctrinated, and maybe Shepard for prolonged exposure to Object Rho. The others are just wild speculation, and judging by the latest demos it hints that TIM was not indoctrinated in or before ME2, so the crew is not indoctrinated either.

[GoG ToXiC]

Xarathox wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

Did you hear the part in ME1 where everyone says that indoctrination is a gradual and subtle process. Besides, a reaper can't keep indoctrinating you after it's dead. Technology from a dead reaper, can't exactly indoctrinate you. And how would they be under Harbinger's control? I don't recall coming into direct contact with him.

Derelict Reaper disagrees with you.

Yes, but that reaper was not yet dead.  Remember, it powered it's shields back up, and you had to disable them from the inside.

[TexasToast712]

Why does everyone keep saying Shep was rebuilt with Reaper tech? Where is this ever explicitly stated?

Modifié par TexasToast712, 27 juillet 2011 - 05:30 .

[ladyvader]

TexasToast712 wrote...

Why does everyone keep saying Shep was rebuilt with Reaper tech? Where is this ever explicitly stated?

I've been wondering that myself.  Suppose it might be mentioned in either a novel or comic.  I've only read one novel and one comic and that will be the only comic I get too.  Blah on the art.  

[AquamanOS]

The Derelict Reaper wasn't exactly "dead" so much as immobile, and with minimal power, but it still barely functioned enough to stay alive all those years.

I think Reapers can't die unless they're totally blown to pieces.

[GoG ToXiC]

It doesn't mention it in the comics, I've read them. It also doesn't mention it in Revelations. I don't know about the other novels.

[Dasher1010]

Then maybe not Shepard being indoctrinated but the rest... yeah

[ladyvader]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

It doesn't mention it in the comics, I've read them. It also doesn't mention it in Revelations. I don't know about the other novels.

I think Shepard is only mentioned in Revelations.  I haven't read it yet.  I still need to read Ascension.  I'm reading them in order of release.

[Tokeman420]

Dasher1010 wrote...

Rmember how Reaper tech indoctrinates anyone who comes into contact with it? Let's see who may be indoctrinated already...

VS: Ash/Kaiden was on Horizon, hit by seeker swarms and then is suddenly free. Plus Ash refers to Shepard as, "a god." Something is very, very wrong.

TIM: His eyes were damaged by a reaper artifact.

The entier ME2 squad: The Normandy, in particular EDI were rebuilt using technology form the reapers.

Shepard: Was rebuilt with reaper technology.

The just leaves Liara, Anderson and Wrex as the only people in the galaxy who are still themselves and not under Harbinger's control who still know what they're fighting against.

I always thought she was being a little sarcastic with that comment because she says something like your in the presence of a god back from the dead or something I could be wrong though.

[Shad0wOGRE]

There's NO proof that Shepard has ANY reaper tech in him at all. Cybernetics do NOT equal reaper tech.

[Siansonea]

Indoctrination doesn't happen that quickly, y'all. You have to be exposed to a Reaper indoctrination source like Object Rho over an extended period of time. If you view the logs on the Derelict Reaper, you see that Dr. Chandana and his staff didn't go bananas right away, it happened gradually. And the same goes for Dr. Kenson's team and Object Rho. Indoctrination isn't a virus that you catch, it's a slow dissolution of the personal identity from prolonged exposure to Reaper tech, and probably specific types of Reaper tech.

[AnimaTempli101]

Just to clarify:

Sovereign: Dead. Blown to smithereens. No longer a member of the being alive club.
Derelict Realer: In a coma or otherwise majorly incapacitated.

There's a difference. Dead Sovvie can't indoctrinate due to being in tons of tiny little pieces.

And whose word are we taking that 'even a dead god can dream'? A partially indoctrinated, out of his mind, Cerberus tech.

Modifié par AnimaTempli101, 27 juillet 2011 - 04:10 .

[NICKjnp]

For a person to survive for more than a couple of months...the indoctrination must be suttle and over a long period of time. The more forceful and quick the indoctrination means the quicker their higher functions decay.