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[jamesp81]

stewie1974 wrote...

Um, shouldn't devout holy warriors be foucused on their duty to the divine anyway?

Yes, you would think so.  That's why I assumed that the Grand Cleric would be kind of miffed about templars availing themselves of the services at the blooming rose.

[caradoc2000]

stewie1974 wrote...

Um, shouldn't devout holy warriors be foucused on their duty to the divine anyway?

Their souls may belong to the Maker, but their bodies, that is a whole another matter...

[magelet]

Deal with it.
Or you can always rivalmance Merrill.

[Jilinna]

I would suggest Rivalmancing Isabela.

 I did this romance with my aggressive with a spice of sarcastic when appropriate female warrior Hawke and i just loved it! I actually had planned for my Hawke to romance Fenris with that play through but over the course of the play through she fell for Isabela and saw she was not as superficial as she made herself seem and Rita Hawke never looked back.
Its a super sweet romance by act 3, you can really see your influence makes a huge difference on her. Also some of the specific rivalmance dialogues I think would suit a Templar Hawke, (one conversation leads Isabela basically to tell you to loosen up, which hit my hawkes personality dead on), overall, I thought the rivalmance dialogue was really well written.

I would give Isabela a chance if you decide you require a romance for your Templar Hawke, in my opinion the romance is very worth it.

Modifié par Jilinna, 28 juillet 2011 - 03:07 .

[Semres]

Hmmm... I'm not sure if I used flirting dialogue options with Isabela during act 1. Most likely not. So switching to try Isabela romance during act 2, hmmm....


I didn't play DA yesterday, could not decide still. I feel like I should make "the choice" and start anew.
Varric - Isabela - Fenris - and my templar.... Hmm.... Maybe I could grab a shield and not two hander for once... Nah, I like the havoc 4 DPS can cause. 

I took 2 weeks off the job starting next week... 2 weeks of DA 2 incoming - if I can finally decide! 

Modifié par Semres, 28 juillet 2011 - 06:49 .

[Kawamura]

Do templars really go for second class citizens? I mean. Templar/Elf seems like a really odd romance to me. Templar/Dalish, even more so. Ignoring the blood magic, she's still an apostate and worships heretical gods. And she's an elf. Have we seen elf Templars? Do elves much like templars?

[Jilinna]

Semres wrote...
Hmmm... I'm not sure if I used flirting dialogue options with Isabela during act 1. Most likely not. So switching to try Isabela romance during act 2, hmmm....

I remembered there being no flirt opportunites in Act 1 with Isabela, so I reloaded a few saves where I talked to Isabella in Act 1 and can confirm there is no flirt dialogue options in Act 1. Regardless as long as you flirt with her come Act 2 during the quest (Isabela's Ongoing Search) you will be able to initiate the romance with a rival  Isabela.

And if you need any help with rivalmancing Isabela their is a blog written by hoorayforicecream (http://social.biowar...394/blog/17005/) and it is gives a very informative and helpful overview of Isabela. In addition the blog gives an extensive list that can help you max your rivalry points if your having trouble.

Overall I still think rivalmancing Isabela would suit a Templar Hawke based on the information you provided about your character. I definetly say give Isabela a chance, her romance is definetly worth it!

Modifié par Jilinna, 29 juillet 2011 - 03:11 .

[FieryDove]

magelet wrote...

Or you can always rivalmance Merrill.

I think this is the best option for the character stated.

A rivalmance Izzy is not, she will remain a pirate either way. Plus her *free spirit* nature goes against anything serious for such a character type. imho

Merrill can be convinced she was wrong and change.

[RampantAndroid]

Jilinna wrote...

I would suggest Rivalmancing Isabela.

 I did this romance with my aggressive with a spice of sarcastic when appropriate female warrior Hawke and i just loved it! I actually had planned for my Hawke to romance Fenris with that play through but over the course of the play through she fell for Isabela and saw she was not as superficial as she made herself seem and Rita Hawke never looked back.
Its a super sweet romance by act 3, you can really see your influence makes a huge difference on her. Also some of the specific rivalmance dialogues I think would suit a Templar Hawke, (one conversation leads Isabela basically to tell you to loosen up, which hit my hawkes personality dead on), overall, I thought the rivalmance dialogue was really well written.

I would give Isabela a chance if you decide you require a romance for your Templar Hawke, in my opinion the romance is very worth it.

From what I could tell, the rivalmance is kinda amusing...that said, welcome to a game. They didn't write up an option for every person out there...and if I remember right, you can also rivalmance Merrill and deny her stuff during her quests. (avoiding spoilers since you don't seem to have played through a full game yet.)

[Jilinna]

RampantAndroid wrote...
From what I could tell, the rivalmance is kinda amusing...that said, welcome to a game. They didn't write up an option for every person out there...and if I remember right, you can also rivalmance Merrill and deny her stuff during her quests. (avoiding spoilers since you don't seem to have played through a full game yet.)

I agree completely with the statement I bolded and underlined above. It is ultimately up to you and your own preferences. I did the Isabela rivalmance by trial and error. I first came into that playthrough (3rd out of 5 playthroughs atm) with the idea that Fenris and my Rita Hawke were so much alike it would be a perfect match. So I went through the stages and finished the romance scene, afterwards though I wasn't content and felt the romance lacked in regards with this Hawke (I have romanced him on a previous playthrough), so I tried Isabella's romance and it turned out the romance suited my Hawke perfectly. They are both headstrong, fiery, stuborn, they contrasted very well and thats why I went with rivalmance Isabela.

A Merrill rival romance could suit your Hawke too as long as your templar is fine romancing a mage, he could also want to help her stop being a blood mage and fall for her during that process. Though I have not rivalmanced merrill yet so that is also why I am a little biased towards Isabela.

If I was in your situation I would look at the pros and cons of each romance or no romance at all, and just cross out which ones are out of the question till you find the right one and go from there.

Modifié par Jilinna, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:35 .

[jamesp81]

Kawamura wrote...

Do templars really go for second class citizens? I mean. Templar/Elf seems like a really odd romance to me. Templar/Dalish, even more so. Ignoring the blood magic, she's still an apostate and worships heretical gods. And she's an elf. Have we seen elf Templars? Do elves much like templars?

I suspect the two aren't on good terms, but I don't think it's a mage vs templar thing.

The Dalish lost their last homeland to an exalted march.  I would hazard a guess that many of soldiers participating in the exalted march were templars.

With that said, I think people are reading too much into the Templar specialization tree.  Choosing that path doesn't make Hawke a templar any more than learning to shoot an M-16 makes one a US Army soldier.  Choosing the templar tree is just a set of skills for Hawke, nothing more.

Edit:

But OP is RPing as a templar, and not just because he learned the talents, but because he agrees with them.  It certainly wouldn't make a whole lot of sense for an elf/templar thing in that light.

Modifié par jamesp81, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:59 .

[magelet]

I wouldn't think that templars as a group cared either way about elves.
It could be more likely that elves would be more supportive to mages, since they are both oppressed people...

But we just don't have any evidence to show that templars in general are against elves.

[Jilinna]

magelet wrote...

I wouldn't think that templars as a group cared either way about elves.
It could be more likely that elves would be more supportive to mages, since they are both oppressed people...

I reloaded a previous save where the templars go to sundermount to try and take back Feynriel and seemed like the dalish elves and the templars did not have very much respect for each other.

The Templars: Called the dalish"heathens" and said they had "no idea the danger an apostate posses" (which is silly considering their keeper is mage), called the dalish elves knife-ears, in addition the templars were attacking their hunting parties to get to Feynriel and tortured one of their hunters with fire while interrogating him about fenryiel.

The Dalish: said "the elves were using magic when your primitive ancestors still lived like beasts", called the templars shem, and the dalish said "we would sooner die then hand him over to you".

Just based on how the templars and dalish treated each other in that one instance one could say a romance between the two could be difficult. Then again all templars are different ie, Thrask. That said you could probably roleplay your character so that a romance between a templar and dalish elf could potentially work.

Modifié par Jilinna, 30 juillet 2011 - 11:40 .

[Kawamura]

The Dalish are ruled by what would look like maleficar to the Templars, I imagine.

[PrinceLionheart]

Jilinna wrote...

Just based on how the templars and dalish treated each other in that one instance one could say a romance between the two could be difficult. Then again all templars are different ie, Thrask. That said you could probably roleplay your character so that a romance between a templar and dalish elf could potentially work.

That, and like Alistair, not every Templar is completely devoted (or obsessed depending on your interpretation) to the Chantry. Not every Religious person has to be a Fundamentalist. Even Leliana, the vocal Andrastian she is, openly criticized the Chantry.

[tmp7704]

If the issue is just the RP reasons for why the romance should or shouldn't happen then could probably try rivalmance with Isabela actually -- with your character justifying it to himself as "trying to turn her from her morally corrupt ways" or whatever. The fact she set free the slaves can be seen as early sign that's possible.

[Get Magna Carter]

of course, there is the option to play as a devout, celibate templar and not engage in a romance..

[Nightdragon8]

jamesp81 wrote...

caradoc2000 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

You got to know the Grand Cleric has to get rather cross with them about that.

Why would she be? A little stress relief works wonders.

I wonder how KC Meredith feels about it?

I bet she is a regular for the bad girl special.

I just kind of assumed the Chantry would frown upon casual sex like most churches do, and especially frown on prostitution.

My money says you're 100% right on Meredith.  I've got her pegged as the one that likes to get one of the prostitutes to dress up as a naughty mage who needs to be punished

Speaking of the Grand Cleric, I thought it would've been hilarious for some party banter to occur after one of the fights you have in the chantry at night:

Varric: Well, that was unpleasant.
Hawke: I guess we'd better leave before the Grand Cleric gets her and finds dead people in her Chantry, with us standing over them holding bloodied weapons.

The way she talks about her Tranqual friend makes we wonder what side of the fence she is really on.

If the Chantry is that stricted could explain why Meridth was such a *!#$ on the last act. (there was a reason woman visted doctors to "releave" stress

Modifié par Nightdragon8, 31 juillet 2011 - 12:34 .

[magelet]

Ah, I can see why the templars and the Dalish wouldn't get along then, the Dalish are run by mage Keepers all the time anyway. Also it's implied that the Dalish are often threatened by the templars because it's known that their Keepers are mages.
However, I don't know that templars necessarily have anything against City elves, or even individual Dalish. They are just opposed to the Dalish's system of dealing with mages.

[tmp7704]

magelet wrote...

Ah, I can see why the templars and the Dalish wouldn't get along then, the Dalish are run by mage Keepers all the time anyway. Also it's implied that the Dalish are often threatened by the templars because it's known that their Keepers are mages.

There's always possibility of a dalish elf being brought to mage tower and at some point love developing between him/her and a templar. It's not exactly a feeling that's always rational and conforming to social prejudices 100% of the time, after all.

And the same applies to a potential feeling between a templar and a dalish (or city) elf outside of a tower, too.

Modifié par tmp7704, 31 juillet 2011 - 05:18 .

[Masako52]

Romance Fenris. It's not gay if it's with an elf.

[likeorasgod]

TeenZombie wrote...

There's nothing wrong with playing at least one character with no romance. I actually think it would be appropriate for a Templar, since many are not allowed to have families by the Chantry. Why not keep playing, and see how it goes? I was pretty peeved about not having an LI in ME2 before the game came out, but I've now beaten the game three times with the same romanceless character, and I wouldn't have it any other way, at this point.

That being said, you should give Isabela a chance, her relationship really grows and matures by the third act. It's very much worth the effort.

I normaly do this on my first full play through.  That way I can test a little of every thing without setting it to stone (no relationships place a lil flirt).  Allso allso allows me to find things and notice them so when I go back next time I can play a char towards a certain story line of that char.

i'm doing my female rogue playthrough right now with a male mage.  The Mage sadly is going to be going the Templers side...casue well these mages are insane and stupid for playing with blood magic.  The Rogue I think is just going to kill them all (wish that was an option, but pretty much is when you pick mage side.)

[Sepewrath]

Why is Isabela not an option? Templar's aren't paragons of all things good and holy, they just watch mages. They can be as shady as the next guy and as you've seen. many are.

[Jilinna]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

That, and like Alistair, not every Templar is completely devoted (or obsessed depending on your interpretation) to the Chantry. Not every Religious person has to be a Fundamentalist. Even Leliana, the vocal Andrastian she is, openly criticized the Chantry.

lol forgot about Alistair! Considering I romanced him four times in a row I am amazed I forgot to mention him.
But exactly, every templar does not embody the chantrys laws to the absolute tee. Therefore considering whatever your templars personality is you can ultimately romance who ever you want. (Spoiler about Legacy Banter) If your don't romance merrill Carver will attempt to ask Merrill out on a date, Templar Carver doesn't seem to mind getting involved with a blood mage Dalish elf (End Spoiler).

Regardless its just based on your character's personality, you can RP any romance and make it work.

Modifié par Jilinna, 01 août 2011 - 01:54 .

[mesmerizedish]

Romance Fenris, duh?