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[CrookedAsylum]

JamieCOTC wrote...

But, but it would come with bonuses ...

Armor gains a 3.5 second delay in all male Human and Batarian merc aggression. Armor gains a 1.5 second delay to all male Turian and Krogan merc aggression. (Note: It is not known if the delay in Turian and Krogan aggression is caused by an elevation in hormonal activity at the sight of exposed human female breasts or if they merely think the suit is ridiculous.) Armor gains a .5 second delay in Asari merc aggression due to adoration of said armor. No delay is granted to Vorcha or Salarian mercs. Human female merc aggression is increased by 2.8 seconds.

WARNING: Instead of charging and biting as per usual, all male Varren charge the wearer’s leg in an attempt to straddle and “hump” said wearer’s leg. The same activity has been noted in Vorcha as well.

Armor also gains charm points with all male interactions. Intimidation points decrease in ALL interactions.

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[Fhaileas]

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:deep breath: feel better now

[chelseaisthepan]

Holy cleavage.

If it was more covered up, I wouldn't mind it. Reminds me of Kasumi.

Modifié par chelseaisthepan, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .

[Remmak]

DoodleKev wrote...
*stands corrected* I guess I'm still a little pissy about so many people voting for the impractical hair-in-your-face blonde FemShep after the whole rage over the alternate Ashley outfit... seems like a lot of people are picking and choosing what they find sexualized versus what they find pretty while just using practicality as an excuse.

Also, link to your art?

The thread is here, but you'll have to go in a few pages for my updated in-progress mesh: http://social.biowar...index/7856614/1

mineralica wrote...

Remmak wrote...
My art was posted not long ago and there were pages and pages on how it doesn't fit the lore. Characters were also male. FYI.

Oh, so you're the author of quarian concepts? They're amazing! Thank you!

No, thank you. I'm glad someone enjoyed them. I really wasn't expecting that.

[Suspire]

Xeranx wrote...

Suspire wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Suspire wrote...

Fata Morgana wrote...

One of my biggest issues, both with this fanart and with the winning FemShep, is hair in the face. I realize people want Shep to have long hair (I personally think she's better with short hair, but it's a personal preference), but I just cannot see someone as amazingly badass as Shep going around with hair in her face. Woman's got a galaxy to save, she's not going to be spending hours in front of the mirror slapping on product so that she can get that perfect beiber-esque coifure. Please.

You forget all those people whose Sheps have mascara, lipstick, eyemake, etc.

It's the future though, I'm sure cosmetics will have evolved by then that it doesn't need constant re-applying.


Also lol, my fanart that was on the SDCC is hyper-sexualized femShep, but no one gave me a hard time about it (ok, it's not popular, that's a reason). But my Shepard's hot, sorry. (And wears a dress + heels at the ship at all times)

To be fair, many who use the eye-liner do so specifically because the some of the eyes are messed up and the eye-liner fixes them a bit.  The eye shadow also helps in that regard with some.  Two good reasons for eye make-up.

That still leaves blush, mascara, lipstick and colorful eyeshadow (there is green, a blue-ish one, a red-ish one, a couple others if I remember correctly.)

Yeah, but I don't use them at all.  About the only eyeshadow I use is the dark color to fix the eyes with the eyeliner.  I can't speak about the blush.  Then again, some people have naturally coloring to their cheeks right?  I'm not sure. *shrug*

That's kinda beside the point. You're saying Shep can only be the way your Shep is, without considering other people's. So I pointed out that there are many Sheps with makeup out there. My Shep is girly (outside of missions), wears dress and heels ont he ship, and I've seen plenty of others like that. Not to mention the goth-looking Sheps out there XD They are supposed to just accept that the official femShep doesn't have their Shep's bright/black lipstick, make up and hair (and girlyness?), but you can't accept a little make up/impraticality? Do you see what I mean?
(and about the blush, depends on color, but mostly no, it's make up)

Sshodan wrote...

There is such a thing as dermopigmentation - a widely accessible cosmetically procedure, that uses a shallow tattoo to simulate makeup, a bit painful even with anesthetics, but still people do it, and I'm sure Shep is thought enough to handle it It takes several hours and needs to be repeated every 4-5 years, but nothing that a soldier on live can't handle.  And yes, blush, mascara, lipstick and colorful eyeshadows can be done with it.

Hair styling thou? Even if the hair keeps the desired shape correctly it's still not plastic - a longish cut will get in to your eyes no matter how firmly you style it. If we absolutely have to have long haired Shep than at last they need to give her enough sense to tie her tresses back in a field. Long hair on downtime or award ceremonies are great... Not so much in a firefight.

We call it "permanent makeup" where I live... we are talking about the future though. We have magic healing gel in the future so...

But yeah on the hair (though personally I don't mind exercising suspension of disbelief... why do I feel I don't take fiction as seriously as people here, lol) But there are still lots of Shep with modded hair that looks sexy and all over the place like that.

It's a game with many options. Just cause you wouldn't use those options doesn't mean the femSheps with modded hair for example are not badass, or don't fit femShep. (I know it wasn't you who said that though, I'm just trying to get back to my point). FemShep is whatever you want her to be (to an extent, of course).

And she's got time to buy xeno porn, get drunk a bunch of times, and dance, then she's got time for makeup and whatever else

Modifié par Suspire, 01 août 2011 - 06:06 .

[DoodleKev]

Remmak wrote...

DoodleKev wrote...
Also, link to your art?

The thread is here, but you'll have to go in a few pages for my updated in-progress mesh: http://social.biowar...index/7856614/1

Ohhh, you're the one who made the quarian designs.

They look good, though they look a bit like a cross between an asari and a turian to me for some reason. I've also never personally believed quarians have purple skin, but your designs seem solid, lots of work put into 'em.

[F00lishG]

sexy. and unlike bikini chain armor there's more protection. i dig it. To me it doesn't have an in your face about it like Miranda's outfit. classiness much?

Modifié par F00lishG, 01 août 2011 - 08:26 .

[Swimming Ferret]

JulyAyon wrote...

femshep should be designed and voted for by females! 

Not every male salivates and goes feral at the sight of boobies you know and some guys may want a female character that actually looks like she could do the job without strutting about half naked.

Anyway, art work is wonderful, but just not good material. Femshep is a marine, she needs muscles, and armor that can actually prevent bullets from killing her outright. Long hair also has a habit of obscuring vision. :/

[Xeranx]

Suspire wrote...

That's kinda beside the point. You're saying Shep can only be the way your Shep is, without considering other people's. So I pointed out that there are many Sheps with makeup out there. My Shep is girly (outside of missions), wears dress and heels ont he ship, and I've seen plenty of others like that. Not to mention the goth-looking Sheps out there XD They are supposed to just accept that the official femShep doesn't have their Shep's bright/black lipstick, make up and hair (and girlyness?), but you can't accept a little make up/impraticality? Do you see what I mean?
(and about the blush, depends on color, but mostly no, it's make up)

I think this discussion shows clearly how lame text can be in showing what someone's mindset is.

I thought you were agreeing with Fata Morgana with sardonic statements about female Shepards with blush and lipstick.  That's why I defended the eye make up bit and expressed that I don't use any lipstick on my Shepards other than the gloss type.

[Sshodan]

@ Suspire
You see, that's the thing - as far as personal playthrughs go the more verity we have, the better, the only rule there should be "what makes it fun for the player" so options for all and any makeup, long hair and skimpy dresses may be included and used at the players whim.
Character representation thou, is entirely different story. A stereotypical female video game character is quite "girly" with hour glass figure, skimpily dresses, has long hair (usually free flowing), and makeup with lip gloss (one thing that can't be done by permanent makeup and actually has to be reapplied every couple of hours). That's the gaming stereotype for female, do we want femShep to be just another one of thous?
Personalization wise femShep is breakthrough, unintentional as it is - she is as capable, as thought as respected and as strong as maleShep. She wears practical armor, makes practical digressions and she leads her team with a kind of calm professionalism that comes with decades of experience, just like maleShep does. So do we really want her representative look to be that of a regular "eye candy for male gamers" character? Or maybe it's time to break that stereotype as well?
I would like to see the "commercial look" for femShep representing her spirit, rather than "eye candy" - 30+ years old, attractive but with a serious, a bit sever face of a commander, practical hairstyle and mature makeup - without puffy pink lips smothered in gloss. Seeing femShep smile, or let her hair down, or wearing a dress should be a rear treat, not everyday occurrence - a remainder that beside being a commander she is although a woman, but for that, she has to look the part of military commander first - they way they look in live, not in video games

[Suspire]

Lol Xeranx. Ok sorry about that.

@Sshodan, months ago femShep had NO character representation. MaleShep looks like a Danish fricking model (heh). No one says anything about it. If people wanted a realistic representation, based on....... oh wait, the future, it has magic healing gel but cannot have magic lip gloss..... it also has a race of Blue Skinned Babes that look exactly like hot human chicks, but that's not a concern at all for women...... anyway if they wanted a realistic marine, people should have warned Bioware that they prefer not have any representation than one that looks pretty.

Another thing is, I don't see how pretty females are automatically made for males. Yes I understand it's the main audience, but doesn't mean women don't enjoy pretty females. I love eye-candy, there. I love Lara Croft. Why? She's pretty and hot and STILL can do everything she wants, and is independant. If girls can't see that just cause she's "a pretty stereotype", than women have bigger problems than we thought, with ourselves. Sure some variety would be nice, more ugly women, more old women, more funny women, etc. But hating the pretty ones cause they're pretty?

The femSheps we can vote on, all look like strong women, and look Shep's age imo. I don't understand how pretty/young looking people are forbidden to join the military anyway. Or how it makes them look not capable. I just see a woman ready to kick ass. Buffy would kick your ass.

Most importantly, those players with young-looking makeup-covered Shepards would feel differently. You're saying their looks matter, and that they're worse Shepards because of it. That's the definition of superficiality. You can try and word it as "representation of her spirit" but you're still saying their Sheps aren't a good Shep.

Anyway, the thing is Bioware probably won't ever do something like this again. They didn't have to give us anything. But they did. And all they get is whining. I'd be happy even with black-lipstick-Shepard.

-edit cause I'm f* dislexic (not really, just suck at typing)

Modifié par Suspire, 01 août 2011 - 10:46 .

[Fata Morgana]

Xeranx wrote...

Suspire wrote...

That's kinda beside the point. You're saying Shep can only be the way your Shep is, without considering other people's. So I pointed out that there are many Sheps with makeup out there. My Shep is girly (outside of missions), wears dress and heels ont he ship, and I've seen plenty of others like that. Not to mention the goth-looking Sheps out there XD They are supposed to just accept that the official femShep doesn't have their Shep's bright/black lipstick, make up and hair (and girlyness?), but you can't accept a little make up/impraticality? Do you see what I mean?
(and about the blush, depends on color, but mostly no, it's make up)

I think this discussion shows clearly how lame text can be in showing what someone's mindset is.

I thought you were agreeing with Fata Morgana with sardonic statements about female Shepards with blush and lipstick.  That's why I defended the eye make up bit and expressed that I don't use any lipstick on my Shepards other than the gloss type.

I actually haven't said anything about Shep wearing makeup. I usually put eyeliner on mine, just because it makes the eyes look better. The thing about makeup is that it doesn't block your view when you're tryingn to shoot someone. Hair in the face does.

[Sshodan]

@ Suspire
And I would be happy if her appearance remained ambiguous and up to the persons imagination. But sadly that is not to be. Yes we can think about the future of cosmetics, but it's not about that. It is about what we have today - about realistically existing professional woman, military woman, woman who achieve real live success in science, politics, business - the ones who actually take part in space programs, and not just strut on the catwalks and dream about finding a good husband. Do they not deserv being portrait in a game for a change?
Thous woman are strong, intelligent and yes, although beautiful, because to be beautiful one does not need mini skirts or lip gloss - a gorgeous woman remains gorgeous even with her hair pulled back, no make up applied and in military uniform... Actually she is more so, because her beauty will not dissapear with a bit of rain, she will remain as heart stopping no matter what she has to come through.
It is sad if a woman thinks that she needs to paint her face over or strip half naked to be attractive. Some self confidence please.
As for age - Shep is 30+ becouse of her bio, if you add up her training, military expirience and so on you cant tell that she is over 30, so why should she look younger? Becouse a wmoan is not attractive if she is older? Sorry but that is not true, a woman can be beautiful at any age, if fact most of the actresses you see on TV are 30+.
As for your "their Sheps aren't a good She" I never sad that someone's Shep is not good, but I hope you in turn do realise that in game it's preaty much impossible to make Shep who looks yonger than 30? Non of the skin options are this smooth. And there is no actuall lip gloss options, only diferent lipstick collors. And we are not given any long hair that are not pulled back... So no, even if you try you can't make a full out barbie that we see on sugested promotions... Funny that.

[Ace Attorney]

Why did this deserve it's own discussion?

[Xeranx]

Fata Morgana wrote...

Xeranx wrote...

Suspire wrote...

That's kinda beside the point. You're saying Shep can only be the way your Shep is, without considering other people's. So I pointed out that there are many Sheps with makeup out there. My Shep is girly (outside of missions), wears dress and heels ont he ship, and I've seen plenty of others like that. Not to mention the goth-looking Sheps out there XD They are supposed to just accept that the official femShep doesn't have their Shep's bright/black lipstick, make up and hair (and girlyness?), but you can't accept a little make up/impraticality? Do you see what I mean?
(and about the blush, depends on color, but mostly no, it's make up)

I think this discussion shows clearly how lame text can be in showing what someone's mindset is.

I thought you were agreeing with Fata Morgana with sardonic statements about female Shepards with blush and lipstick.  That's why I defended the eye make up bit and expressed that I don't use any lipstick on my Shepards other than the gloss type.

I actually haven't said anything about Shep wearing makeup. I usually put eyeliner on mine, just because it makes the eyes look better. The thing about makeup is that it doesn't block your view when you're tryingn to shoot someone. Hair in the face does.

 I know you didn't mention make-up, but Suspire did.  We just went through the example of how someone can misinterpret text.  

[Suspire]

Sshodan wrote...

@ Suspire
And I would be happy if her appearance remained ambiguous and up to the persons imagination. But sadly that is not to be. Yes we can think about the future of cosmetics, but it's not about that. It is about what we have today - about realistically existing professional woman, military woman, woman who achieve real live success in science, politics, business - the ones who actually take part in space programs, and not just strut on the catwalks and dream about finding a good husband. Do they not deserv being portrait in a game for a change?
Thous woman are strong, intelligent and yes, although beautiful, because to be beautiful one does not need mini skirts or lip gloss - a gorgeous woman remains gorgeous even with her hair pulled back, no make up applied and in military uniform... Actually she is more so, because her beauty will not dissapear with a bit of rain, she will remain as heart stopping no matter what she has to come through.
It is sad if a woman thinks that she needs to paint her face over or strip half naked to be attractive. Some self confidence please.
As for age - Shep is 30+ becouse of her bio, if you add up her training, military expirience and so on you cant tell that she is over 30, so why should she look younger? Becouse a wmoan is not attractive if she is older? Sorry but that is not true, a woman can be beautiful at any age, if fact most of the actresses you see on TV are 30+.
As for your "their Sheps aren't a good She" I never sad that someone's Shep is not good, but I hope you in turn do realise that in game it's preaty much impossible to make Shep who looks yonger than 30? Non of the skin options are this smooth. And there is no actuall lip gloss options, only diferent lipstick collors. And we are not given any long hair that are not pulled back... So no, even if you try you can't make a full out barbie that we see on sugested promotions... Funny that.

They do deserve it, but we weren't even gonna get A femShep! There was gonna be NONE.

Why does wearing makeup means they think they need it in order to be attractive? Liking makeup and sexy clothes automatically means you're dying for attention? Is that really how you see women? Cause that's a very telling comment. That's superficiality. That comment. You look at someone "girly" and think "blah, she couldn't be a marine, no way, she's not capable, she's probably a bimbo who worries about her nails and that's it". You're judging and you don't even see it.

Yes she is about 30 in her bio, but that doesn't mean she can't look younger. I've seen 23 year olds look 12 (Magibon lol). Military training makes people look old? Where can I see that? I thought it gave you muscles and some scars.
There's nothing wrong with older people. Maybe this is what is pissing people off, players older than 30 think it's unfair that a 30 yo looks hot. But I don't get why she HAS TO look 30.

DanishModelSheploo.

Impossible to make young looking Shepard? I've seen lots of them. I'd give 28 to mine, and I had to remake her because the first one I did looked too young for her voice IMO. And yep she does wear lip gloss (it's the last option, it looks like a normal mouth color but is a bit shiny). I don't see a problem with the skin either in the game? The hair looks like the longest hair choice except it's messy (which can be for a bunch of reasons)
And we aren't given longer hair but it's not because of a lack of request by fans. One of my friends is already dying to have the chance of playing with femShep5's hair.

"a full out barbie that we see on sugested promotions" A FULL OUT BARBIE? Srsly? Well your whole comment just lost all credit to me. That's seriously a full out Barbie to you? I wish I had a Barbie like that growing up. Mine looked nothing like a kick-ass woman in armor looking at you with determined eyes. Damn, where did you get your Barbies?

I think this could go on forever, but the thing is that it just makes femShep fans look whiny. We should be happy she's getting any represetation at all. That's the bottom line.

Modifié par Suspire, 01 août 2011 - 11:55 .

[KainrycKarr]

Masquerade_Assassin wrote...

I thought that biotic characters were protected by biotic shields, foregoing any real need for armor. Also, what about kInetic barriars?

...Why would they forego armor and not simply enjoy the biotic barrier AND the armor, doubling survivability?

[TheKillerAngel]

Suspire wrote...

Sshodan wrote...

@ Suspire
And I would be happy if her appearance remained ambiguous and up to the persons imagination. But sadly that is not to be. Yes we can think about the future of cosmetics, but it's not about that. It is about what we have today - about realistically existing professional woman, military woman, woman who achieve real live success in science, politics, business - the ones who actually take part in space programs, and not just strut on the catwalks and dream about finding a good husband. Do they not deserv being portrait in a game for a change?
Thous woman are strong, intelligent and yes, although beautiful, because to be beautiful one does not need mini skirts or lip gloss - a gorgeous woman remains gorgeous even with her hair pulled back, no make up applied and in military uniform... Actually she is more so, because her beauty will not dissapear with a bit of rain, she will remain as heart stopping no matter what she has to come through.
It is sad if a woman thinks that she needs to paint her face over or strip half naked to be attractive. Some self confidence please.
As for age - Shep is 30+ becouse of her bio, if you add up her training, military expirience and so on you cant tell that she is over 30, so why should she look younger? Becouse a wmoan is not attractive if she is older? Sorry but that is not true, a woman can be beautiful at any age, if fact most of the actresses you see on TV are 30+.
As for your "their Sheps aren't a good She" I never sad that someone's Shep is not good, but I hope you in turn do realise that in game it's preaty much impossible to make Shep who looks yonger than 30? Non of the skin options are this smooth. And there is no actuall lip gloss options, only diferent lipstick collors. And we are not given any long hair that are not pulled back... So no, even if you try you can't make a full out barbie that we see on sugested promotions... Funny that.

They do deserve it, but we weren't even gonna get A femShep! There was gonna be NONE.

Why does wearing makeup means they think they need it in order to be attractive? Liking makeup and sexy clothes automatically means you're dying for attention? Is that really how you see women? Cause that's a very telling comment. That's superficiality. That comment. You look at someone "girly" and think "blah, she couldn't be a marine, no way, she's not capable, she's probably a bimbo who worries about her nails and that's it". You're judging and you don't even see it.

Yes she is about 30 in her bio, but that doesn't mean she can't look younger. I've seen 23 year olds look 12 (Magibon lol). Military training makes people look old? Where can I see that? I thought it gave you muscles and some scars.
There's nothing wrong with older people. Maybe this is what is pissing people off, players older than 30 think it's unfair that a 30 yo looks hot. But I don't get why she HAS TO look 30.

DanishModelSheploo.

Impossible to make young looking Shepard? I've seen lots of them. I'd give 28 to mine, and I had to remake her because the first one I did looked too young for her voice IMO. And yep she does wear lip gloss (it's the last option, it looks like a normal mouth color but is a bit shiny). I don't see a problem with the skin either in the game? The hair looks like the longest hair choice except it's messy (which can be for a bunch of reasons)
And we aren't given longer hair but it's not because of a lack of request by fans. One of my friends is already dying to have the chance of playing with femShep5's hair.

"a full out barbie that we see on sugested promotions" A FULL OUT BARBIE? Srsly? Well your whole comment just lost all credit to me. That's seriously a full out Barbie to you? I wish I had a Barbie like that growing up. Mine looked nothing like a kick-ass woman in armor looking at you with determined eyes. Damn, where did you get your Barbies?

I think this could go on forever, but the thing is that it just makes femShep fans look whiny. We should be happy she's getting any represetation at all. That's the bottom line.

Specifically, infantry training tends to wear you out. But I can tolerate some freedom in games.

[Sshodan]

@ Suspire
First of all I am a female my self, a highly attractive, well educated and adult. I'm equally versed in my professional filed, hight tech hobbies I have and wearing 10- inch stilettos as well as applying professional grade makeup. And I'm although of an opinion that every woman is beautiful she only needs to see it in herself and not let the fashion and media dictate her life. That's for the record.
And when I go let's say to the gym, and see a woman in skimpy top, wearing makeup and her hair loose I know that she is here not to work out The same goes for hiking and camping trips, or for filed work on projects - as soon as you see that bimbo with her flowing hair, makeup and long nails you can bet she is not going to help you plant trees, collect samples or run physically taxing errands - god forbid she gets sweaty and ruins her face paint! And she is not going to be any use in analyzing data either, if it did not occur to her that she needs to be dressed for a field trip and not a date she is likely not smart enough...
The is such a thing as "situation appropriate" - things that you wear to a party you don't wear to broad room, neither to university gathering, an most certainly not hiking or not to war of all things! A woman who can't gather such a simple concept is either a teenager (self identity crisis is hell) or stupid.
She has to look 30 because woman actually look hotter when they are fully formed - you can actually see the structure of the face, the character in it, not just baby fat. Just look at the tops of most attractive people - all of them are over 30. She although has to look her age to be believable - no one is going to make you a commander without experience, and no one is going to follow you if you don't look the part. Simple fact of life. Sorry, but when 20 years old tells people to do something she tends to be ignored by them, the same instruction coming form the senior person gets far more attention. A reaction we all have, again a fact of life. Too young looking models is simply a failure form a designer - the face is not defined enough because he did not do enough face study in the art class, teenage softness is just form the lack of confidence in his lines.
Anyway, if ti's the bimbo they want, let them have their bimbo, I'll just skip ordering collectors edition and that's the end of it, I doubt that anyone who actually played 2 games with their Sheps is going to switch to a default model in 3rd.

Modifié par Sshodan, 02 août 2011 - 12:27 .

[Suspire]

My god. You must be high, there's no other explanation. Or we're looking at different femShep pictures.
Baby fat? In a 20 yo face? Faces are only fully formed at 30? Please stop making shyte up. The femShep art looks like bimbos? BIMBOS? BARBIES? Again, WHERE did you get your Barbies cause I'd like tohave some.
Experience? How about the medals she has? How about all her missions in her past? You really think people make someone a commander based ON HER FACE?
My god woman. Get a grip. At first you were making some sense, albeit bigoted sense, now you're just spewing BS.
"as soon as you see that bimbo with her flowing hair, makeup and long nails you can bet she is not going to help you plant trees, collect samples or run physically taxing errands"
Holy shyte. The prize of superficiality goes to you lady. Great job on judging people. You'd be surprised though,a nd maybe someday you will if you open your eyes. I'm glad femShep is not like you. She is wise enough not to pass jugdement like that, maybe you should learn from her.

TheKillerAngel wrote...

/snip

Specifically, infantry training tends to wear you out. But I can tolerate some freedom in games.

Wearing you out just means making you tired, but with exercise you'd look healthier, skin tighter, not looser and wrinkled.

Modifié par Suspire, 02 août 2011 - 01:45 .

[Remmak]

I think part of the problem is that both men and women misconstrue being "sexy" and being "sexualized". I'm fine with a woman in combat armor wanting to wear makeup, keep her long hair and even paint her nails. It's normal to want to look 'good' and express yourself through your appearance. Where it starts to get sketchy for me is when you have female characters - and only female characters - dressed like in the image here with their boobs popping out of their top in the middle of a combat scenario. That's being sexualized.

This is a fan character I did in the ME setting some time ago: http://remthemighty....t.com/#/d3jrwgz

To me, she is a sexy woman. She has elaborate, braided hair, blue eyes, a Marilyn Monroe-esque mole, and a big pouty mouth. But! She also has a full hardsuit and an expression that says "I'll beat your ass" instead of "Come and get me, tiger" *winkwink*.

Of course, this is only my opinion on the matter. It's a fine line to be sure and obviously not all people are going to agree on female representation in games despite the path taken.

DoodleKev wrote...
Ohhh, you're the one who made the quarian designs.

They
look good, though they look a bit like a cross between an asari and a
turian to me for some reason. I've also never personally believed
quarians have purple skin, but your designs seem solid, lots of work put
into 'em.

Well, I just wanted them to look like could belong to the ME setting, so I implemented some of the other races' attributes. I didn't care if they were attractive or fit the lore so much as that they were unique looking from the generic space-elf look most people give them.

Modifié par Remmak, 02 août 2011 - 02:04 .

[Suspire]

Remmak wrote...

I think part of the problem is that both men and women misconstrue being "sexy" and being "sexualized". I'm fine with a woman in combat armor wanting to wear makeup, keep her long hair and even paint her nails. It's normal to want to look 'good' and express yourself through your appearance. Where it starts to get sketchy for me is when you have female characters - and only female characters - dressed like in the image here with their boobs popping out of their top in the middle of a combat scenario. That's being sexualized.

This is a fan character I did in the ME setting some time ago: http://remthemighty....t.com/#/d3jrwgz

To me, she is a sexy woman. She has elaborate, braided hair, blue eyes, a Marilyn Monroe-esque mole, and a big pouty mouth. But! She also has a full hardsuit and an expression that says "I'll beat your ass" instead of "Come and get me, tiger" *winkwink*.

Of course, this is only my opinion on the matter. It's a fine line to be sure and obviously not all people are going to agree on female representation in games despite the path taken.

I think that looks great. I don't think it looks much different from the femShep art that we're getting to VOTE on. I don't know where people are getting "bimbo" from other than their own misconceptions and prejudices against blonde and hot women. Being feminutzies maybe.
I agreed that the armor from Grasseti's art would be really bad because of the huge cleavage. I also think Samara and Benezia should cover their chests and Miranda should get an actual armor. And I dislike a lot of things about Asari, I could rant on that for weeks. But the femShep art has none of those issues.
Bioware went for a pretty balanced approach in comparison.

[Remmak]

Suspire wrote...

I think that looks great. I don't think it looks much different from the femShep art that we're getting to VOTE on. I don't know where people are getting "bimbo" from other than their own misconceptions and prejudices against blonde and hot women. Being feminutzies maybe.
I agreed that the armor from Grasseti's art would be really bad because of the huge cleavage. I also think Samara and Benezia should cover their chests and Miranda should get an actual armor. And I dislike a lot of things about Asari, I could rant on that for weeks. But the femShep art has none of those issues.
Bioware went for a pretty balanced approach in comparison.

Haha. I don't really like the asari as a concept myself, either. As individuals, the new Liara and Samara are pretty cool, but asari as a race? Not so much.

Sabine is a couple years younger than Shepard, and was intended to have a slightly 'baby' face. She's bi-racial with more pronounced African features, including fuller, rounder cheeks/nose/lips. I'm glad you like her. She's been my most popular OC yet.