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[WhiteKnyght]

It would make sense given Corypheus. An intelligent, thinking and speaking darkspawn with a more humanoid appearance than the others.

Yeah one is obsessed with Dumat apparently, but perhaps The Architect became disillusioned about the old gods and decided to get take them out of the picture.

We do know the Architect can be very manipulative. So maybe he's just as deceptive

[krinst]

I'm thinking that now, too.

[Nefla]

Well if he is, he's now a dead magister :3

[Torax]

I just don't picture the Architect as an original Magister. For example he learned spells from a First Enchanter in a book. When it should have been the opposite if he was a Magister in the past. I wager Cory is just an unsual case where one of the original Magisters was some how trapped within the fade. The Grey Wardens found him in that state and then used blood magic to trap him as much as they could. I would go with that scenario since he seemed unaware of Dumat's passing. It was basically where he was trapped in that moment of being betrayed and his subconscious mind was reaching out to others with the taint. They read the seeking of the Light as him wanting to be free. No he was seeking the Light of the Maker's Seat. Showing a disconnect to even the followers you came across.

Modifié par Torax, 27 juillet 2011 - 06:38 .

[Melca36]

Corypheus seemed far more powerful than the architect.

I don't believe the architect was a magister, I do think he served one of the magisters though.

[TheJediSaint]

Pretty sure that the Architect is just an unusually intelligent emissary rather than a Magister like Cori. If I had to guess, I would say that Darkspawn emissaries are in some way descended from the original Magisters, and hence the apparent similarities between Cori and the Architect.

[ElvaliaRavenHart]

@ Torax where exactly in "The Calling" does the Architect learn spells from the first enchanter? I don't recall this from the book. Can you explain just a tad bit more.

I believe them both to be magisters from Trevinter.   One just more powerful than the other.

Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:03 .

[ipgd]

If he's been awake for thousands of years in the Deep Roads, it's not really out of the question that he's like Shale and has forgotten his past. He could very well still be a Magister.

Modifié par ipgd, 27 juillet 2011 - 09:14 .

[Todrazok]

ipgd wrote...

If he's been awake for thousands of years in the Deep Roads, it's not really out of the question that he's like Shale and has forgotten his past. He could very well still be a Magister.

I agree with this, Corypheus was captured and put in a sleep state shortly after the first blight,, The Architect could be just as old as Corypheus but simply have forgotten everything.

Modifié par A bearded squirrel, 27 juillet 2011 - 10:40 .

[WhiteKnyght]

A bearded squirrel wrote...

ipgd wrote...

If he's been awake for thousands of years in the Deep Roads, it's not really out of the question that he's like Shale and has forgotten his past. He could very well still be a Magister.

I agree with this, Corypheus was captured and put in a sleep state shortly after the first blight,, The Architect could be just as old as Corypheus but simply have forgotten everything.

Or he's just been playing coy as part of his manipulative ways.

And the whole thing about First Enchanter Remille teaching him spells, keep in mind more than a thousand years has passed and new spells and things are made.

"Darkspawn Magic" could just be the same type of blood magic that the Tevinters used back in the day. Just using the taint as a source of mana instead of blood.

Another piece of supporting evidence. While Corypheus is a worshipper of Dumat he doesn't sound compelled to obey the call of the old gods. Which is just like the Architect. he can hear it, but he can resist it.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 28 juillet 2011 - 09:31 .

[Stardusk78]

No way. The Architect is just an anomaly, a mutation. He said he did not know the the reason why he was the way he was. Sure, he could have been lying but I honestly don't think he was lying; he was pretty upfront throughout the story.

[WhiteKnyght]

Stardusk78 wrote...

No way. The Architect is just an anomaly, a mutation. He said he did not know the the reason why he was the way he was. Sure, he could have been lying but I honestly don't think he was lying; he was pretty upfront throughout the story.

The thing is very very manipulative. he wouldn't give away information that prevents him from achieving his goals.

Also how do we know that he wants to kill the old gods? he told Bregan that was his intent, but when he actually found one he turned it into an archdemon instead of just killing it. Attempting his joining ritual on it sounds illogical because how can you give resistence to the taint to a creature that isn't tainted? And if something can become tainted from Grey Warden blood, how come all Grey Wardens aren't contagious to other people?

[Rifneno]

Stardusk78 wrote...

No way. The Architect is just an anomaly, a mutation. He said he did not know the the reason why he was the way he was. Sure, he could have been lying but I honestly don't think he was lying; he was pretty upfront throughout the story.

You're kidding right? That deformed freak was one lie after another. His minions' attack on Vigil's Keep was never explained to many people's satisfactory. They went beyond defending themselves, they were killing prisoners execution style. His trickery in the Silverite Mines was never explained either. What were those freakish clones he made of the party? Why didn't he try to talk to the Warden-Commander when he awoke rather than sending one of his thralls pretending to be on their side to test them with seeing if they could fight their way out? How does he expect his people to co-exist with other races when their very presence corrupts, yet they're basically parasitic and require hosts from other races to reproduce? Perhaps most importantly, how can he be called upfront when he "forgot" to mention the fact that he's the cause of the Fifth Blight?

To answer the original question: Almost certainly. Look at Corypheus and the Architect. Then look at pretty much any other darkspawn you like. You'll notice there's more wrong with them than other darkspawn, beyond the taint... a kind of deformation. Now it's clear what caused that deformation. They went through a magical transportation and weren't... for lack of a better word, reconstructed on the other end exactly right. Look at how their armor or clothes is kind of melded into their skin. Almost certainly due to their trip into the Fade.

[Stardusk78]

Rifneno wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

No way. The Architect is just an anomaly, a mutation. He said he did not know the the reason why he was the way he was. Sure, he could have been lying but I honestly don't think he was lying; he was pretty upfront throughout the story.

You're kidding right? That deformed freak was one lie after another. His minions' attack on Vigil's Keep was never explained to many people's satisfactory. They went beyond defending themselves, they were killing prisoners execution style. His trickery in the Silverite Mines was never explained either. What were those freakish clones he made of the party? Why didn't he try to talk to the Warden-Commander when he awoke rather than sending one of his thralls pretending to be on their side to test them with seeing if they could fight their way out? How does he expect his people to co-exist with other races when their very presence corrupts, yet they're basically parasitic and require hosts from other races to reproduce? Perhaps most importantly, how can he be called upfront when he "forgot" to mention the fact that he's the cause of the Fifth Blight?

To answer the original question: Almost certainly. Look at Corypheus and the Architect. Then look at pretty much any other darkspawn you like. You'll notice there's more wrong with them than other darkspawn, beyond the taint... a kind of deformation. Now it's clear what caused that deformation. They went through a magical transportation and weren't... for lack of a better word, reconstructed on the other end exactly right. Look at how their armor or clothes is kind of melded into their skin. Almost certainly due to their trip into the Fade.

I still think assuming the Architect is a Magister is just jumping the gun. It could go either way.

[Sepewrath]

I doubt the Architect is anything more than a Darkspawn and Rifneno about the deformities, I think Corypheus looks that way simply because the power that existed in the Black City they couldn't handle or it was corrupt to begin with and it poisoned them or just the exertion of doing the kind of magic it took to get there turning him into a monster.

[WhiteKnyght]

Sepewrath wrote...

I doubt the Architect is anything more than a Darkspawn and Rifneno about the deformities, I think Corypheus looks that way simply because the power that existed in the Black City they couldn't handle or it was corrupt to begin with and it poisoned them or just the exertion of doing the kind of magic it took to get there turning him into a monster.

Well for over 1000 years the Darkspawn have always been the same. Spawned from Broodmothers, always classified based on what race was used to spawn them, and always like a give of bees. Mindless drones who obey their queen(The archdemon). Yet we are supposed to believe that out of 1000 years a single darkspawn was born different, free of compulsion, and has taken it upon himself to be the messiah of his people.

Yes the Architect was unique, until now. Corypheus was revealed. An intelligent, free thinking, almost human-like darkspawn with command over magic. And in leiu of an active Archdemon, can control the non-thinking darkspawn. Just like the Architect.

Also let's not forget that if he reappears, the Architect will likely be redesigned like the rest of the darkspawn. And he might look similar to Corypheus. Like a mutated human.

Architect might not even be really dead. If Corypheus has the ability to transmit his soul into others then the Architect might as well.

[Sepewrath]

Well one creature being born after millions of years of a different kind of creature being born, led to mammals, so its possible. Also, the Architect doesn't have to be the only Darkspawn like that its just the only one the Wardens have found so far.

[Rifneno]

Sepewrath wrote...

I doubt the Architect is anything more than a Darkspawn and Rifneno about the deformities, I think Corypheus looks that way simply because the power that existed in the Black City they couldn't handle or it was corrupt to begin with and it poisoned them or just the exertion of doing the kind of magic it took to get there turning him into a monster.

Let's look at them.





The melding is really obvious with Corypheus. The metal is merged into his skin badly on the left side of his face and on the part that's melded into the lower left side of his face you can distinctly see the flesh actually becoming part of the metal. Now look at the Architect. The thing on his head definitely seems to be manmade as it has a clear symbol emblazoned on it. Yet it's also definitely part of his head. The most notable deformity is of course his left eye, which just... eww. You can barely see it in this screenshot, but the right side of his head has a sort of crescent shape from his "hat" that has several bands of his flesh wrapped around it. While it's not visible in that screenshot, Corypheus had similar straps of flesh on his torso armor. There's other similarities such as their wide, grandiose pauldrons or their ridiculously long, slender clawed fingers.

And of course there's the fact these are the only two sentient darkspawn that weren't created by the Architect's ritual.

[DRTJR]

The Architect could have been a high preist instead of a magister and the intense magical energies made him mage upon entrance to the Golden city, wiping his mind from the pain

[Ginkeh]

I`d be very dissapointed if the Architect was just a freak of nature and not one of the magisters, when there`s so many similarities with Cory.

In my opinion, the Architect either lied, which is likely considering his track record, or he simply forgot over time.

Modifié par Ginkeh, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:40 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Maybe the Architect was one of the magisters, but a reluctant member of the group - one less certain about the ultimate goal, or less filled with the same greed and hubris as his fellows.

His conversations in The Calling and how he conducts himself with the Warden in Awakening suggest that he wants to end the possibility of future Blights (in the book, making everyone into darkspawn hybrids and then finding & destroying the old gods; in Awakening, using Warden blood to enhance the darkspawn to be resistant to the old gods) - if we take this at face value, or at least to be partially true, then the Architect may want to somehow rectify what occured when the magisters entered the Golden City. Though this may ultimately be to ensure self-preservation and bring about some end to his own torment (and the shared torment of the darkspawn).

The Architect just seems to be less malevolent than Corypheus, unless defied or provoked. And while that doesn't absolve him of any ill, it may hint at a different personality at the time of change/awareness (hence my thought that he may not have been a willing member of the Golden City invasion). If anything, he has had years upon years to achieve some focus, to grow familiar with his state of being.

[Stardusk78]

One question is how the Architect is 1000-2000 years old if he is indeed a Magister; is he immortal? He was not in stasis...unlike Corypheus. I mean, A lifespan spanning millenia...? Of course if he has been cursed by the 'Maker' it might be part of his curse.

[Ginkeh]

I think a powerful mortal mage somehow turning immortal during the crazy ritual needed to enter the fade with your physical body is just as realistic as some kind of cryogenic state preserving Cory.

Avernus prolonged his life considerably using blood magic. Surely the amount of blood magic used during the ritual the old tevinter magisters used to enter the fade combined with a curse from the Maker could make them immortal. 

Edit: Typos`n stuff.

Modifié par Ginkeh, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:39 .

[WhiteKnyght]

Stardusk78 wrote...

One question is how the Architect is 1000-2000 years old if he is indeed a Magister; is he immortal? He was not in stasis...unlike Corypheus. I mean, A lifespan spanning millenia...? Of course if he has been cursed by the 'Maker' it might be part of his curse.

Dude, the Darkspawn don't exactly age. The taint sustains them, feeds them, etc. The writers have confirmed that.

[PsychoBlonde]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

One question is how the Architect is 1000-2000 years old if he is indeed a Magister; is he immortal? He was not in stasis...unlike Corypheus. I mean, A lifespan spanning millenia...? Of course if he has been cursed by the 'Maker' it might be part of his curse.

Dude, the Darkspawn don't exactly age. The taint sustains them, feeds them, etc. The writers have confirmed that.

Not to mention that there are a number of quasi-immortal creatures/persons in Thedas.  Flemeth.  The Old Gods.  The ancient elves.

The body-hopping thing seems to be fairly common.  The Archdemons can do it.  The Magisters can do it, apparently.  And (according to Morrigan) Flemeth can do it.