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[miraclemight]

According to Larius (and the writers), darkspawns and ghouls don't need anything as long as they have the taint.

Edit: Ninja'd.

Modifié par miraclemight, 29 juillet 2011 - 02:43 .

[WhiteKnyght]

miraclemight wrote...

According to Larius (and the writers), darkspawns and ghouls don't need anything as long as they have the taint.

Edit: Ninja'd.

Yeah. If you can put up with the monstrous appearance and the gross feelings in your body. The Taint can be quite handy.

[Darth Trayus]

Stardusk78 wrote...

One question is how the Architect is 1000-2000 years old if he is indeed a Magister; is he immortal? He was not in stasis...unlike Corypheus. I mean, A lifespan spanning millenia...? Of course if he has been cursed by the 'Maker' it might be part of his curse.

Let's be honest here. We're talking about someone who was powerful enough to invade heaven. If the Architect really was one of the original magisters, his power alone could have sustained him through the years. 

That said, I like this thread. I downloaded Legacy and played through it and I was like....HOLY SH*T! But anyways, fully agree. The architect just HAS to be a magister, or if not, there must be a connection somewhere along the line that just hasn't been revealed yet. 

[Sepewrath]

It would be odd to suddenly say that the Architect is a Magister, why not make that connection during Awakening? What reason would he have to hide it and play himself up like just a thinking mans Darkspawn? You say that someone who is powerful enough to invade the apparently always Black City, would be strong enough to sustain themselves on their magic battery alone. Well i would also think someone who would actually do that wouldn't humble themselves to being a mere talking Darkspawn. I think he would be a little more "grand" if he was a Magister from the height of Tevinter power.

[Torax]

Darth Trayus wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

One question is how the Architect is 1000-2000 years old if he is indeed a Magister; is he immortal? He was not in stasis...unlike Corypheus. I mean, A lifespan spanning millenia...? Of course if he has been cursed by the 'Maker' it might be part of his curse.

Let's be honest here. We're talking about someone who was powerful enough to invade heaven. If the Architect really was one of the original magisters, his power alone could have sustained him through the years. 

That said, I like this thread. I downloaded Legacy and played through it and I was like....HOLY SH*T! But anyways, fully agree. The architect just HAS to be a magister, or if not, there must be a connection somewhere along the line that just hasn't been revealed yet. 

That or there truly isn't a connection required. Both are optional additions to the game. Both have similar traits and alien ones. One was obviously more powerful & knowledgeable than the other. I doubt the Architect would have needed to experiment at all if he was a magister. Also the Magister's skin was made to look more closer to human flesh. The Architect's was pale and more closer to how they have Darkspawn skin now. They boht have decent size shoulders but the ones on the Architect are not like the Tevinter ones where the one on Cory is feathered to look more like the tevinter robes. A Cloth drape over Cory's head not a giant sort of molded detailed thing on the Architect's head. There is nothing to contradict that the Architect is a fluke variation of a emmissary. That or he was possibly an experiment of a tainted Magister before they were all found and killed or jailed by the First Grey Wardens.

That doesn't cancel out that the Architect is in fact a former Magister. I just find it unlikely for how we see him. His lack of knowledge and failed experiments prove he isn't the same as them. In fact I'm not even sure the Architect is even able to command non the sentient ones that well. He seems a fluke more than a magister. So possibly a failed experiment in his own right. The question be whose experiment?

[WhiteKnyght]

Sepewrath wrote...

It would be odd to suddenly say that the Architect is a Magister, why not make that connection during Awakening? What reason would he have to hide it and play himself up like just a thinking mans Darkspawn? You say that someone who is powerful enough to invade the apparently always Black City, would be strong enough to sustain themselves on their magic battery alone. Well i would also think someone who would actually do that wouldn't humble themselves to being a mere talking Darkspawn. I think he would be a little more "grand" if he was a Magister from the height of Tevinter power.

Maybe because telling the truth might make the Warden refuse to help him. he's lied and hid the truth before.

Also maybe the writers didn't want to spoil the whole "Mages really did try to invade the Golden City" too soon.

Also let's not forget that the Mother and one of her Disciples, both creations of the Architect, used a spell that sent the Warden and his party physically into the Fade, and at the very foot of The Black City itself.

Proof:

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 29 juillet 2011 - 10:41 .

[Sepewrath]

His plan was reason enough to not help him, he is suppose to be a Darkspawn, why I would help him? Saying he was a Magister couldn't lower my opinion of him any more than it already was. Either your going to help him because you believe in the plan or you wont, where he's from is not going to make a difference, providing your not Loghain lol. And I don't see any reason for the writers to hold back, I mean Corypheus said they invaded the city and that's it, he gave us nothing but speculation that city may have been corrupted to begin with and that someone was pulling their strings. There wasn't a lot given away in that revelation.

[Torax]

@The Grey Nayr,
Just pointing out that in Awakening you were not sent "physicially" into the fade. That has never happened for the player characters in any of the games. When the fade sequence ended in Awakening you woke up just were your body was left when the First casted that spell. Also nothing is certain that what you linked is in fact the black city in the first place. Could just be yet another random island.

[WhiteKnyght]

Torax wrote...

@The Grey Nayr,
Just pointing out that in Awakening you were not sent "physicially" into the fade. That has never happened for the player characters in any of the games. When the fade sequence ended in Awakening you woke up just were your body was left when the First casted that spell. Also nothing is certain that what you linked is in fact the black city in the first place. Could just be yet another random island.

http://dragonage.wik...City_(Full).jpg

Compare that with the mountain in my screencap. Also look closely at the top of it in my cap, there are buildings.

Also if they werent sent physically into the fade, how come The First was sent there too? Darkspawn are supposed to be soulless and the Architect's ritual only gave them intelligence.

Also I'd like to point out. http://dragonage.wik...ckmarsh_Undying

"Unlike other areas in the fade, this area appears to be next to The
Black City. This is odd seeing as all points in the fade are supposed to
be equidistant from The Black City."

I'm not the only one who made the connection apparently. But I was likely one of the first because I've pointed this out several times on these forums. I even asked Mike Laidlaw about it and his response was that he avoids spoilers about The Black City. If it weren't the city, he would have just said so.

[Torax]

The First was sent to the fade but he also has a brain does he not? Speaks for himself and was able to cast magic. So maybe they're closer to humans than you know. Regardless. You wake up where your body was and not where you are located when she casted spell. This hints at your body NEVER moving

Linking people's assumptions about the fade does not make a rule. That quote from the wiki is a Note and is an assumption on the part of someone who made that note not from Bioware themselves...

[Tahleron1]

the Architect seems like a darkspawn mutated somewhat human, like he was infected with warden blood in his formative years, so actually developed that way rather than got turned like the rest of his experiments, whereas corypheus looks human with darkspawn mutations.

[Daerog]

Or, for another crazy theory, the original magisters can be reborn from the blight. So, the Architect was a reborn original darkspawn. Perhaps the souls of the magisters are forever linked to the taint, so instead of dying and going to the Fade, their souls just connect with the blight. Emissaries get their magic from the blight and not the Fade, so perhaps spirits can be trapped with it. Kind of explains how the spirits/souls/essences of the Old Gods just auto target blighted beings when killed as an Archdemon...

Wild theory, hardly anything to support it, but super villians being reborn again and again I find to be fun and dramatic.

[Ulicus]

Yeah, I'm with those who think that the Architect was one of the old Magisters who simply forgot his origins after living for hundreds of years. The similarities are too deliberate.

[TEWR]

of course he's a Magister. looking back, he had a whole Tevinter vibe in Awakening.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 juillet 2011 - 07:42 .

[rak72]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Sepewrath wrote...

I doubt the Architect is anything more than a Darkspawn and Rifneno about the deformities, I think Corypheus looks that way simply because the power that existed in the Black City they couldn't handle or it was corrupt to begin with and it poisoned them or just the exertion of doing the kind of magic it took to get there turning him into a monster.

Well for over 1000 years the Darkspawn have always been the same. Spawned from Broodmothers, always classified based on what race was used to spawn them, and always like a give of bees. Mindless drones who obey their queen(The archdemon). Yet we are supposed to believe that out of 1000 years a single darkspawn was born different, free of compulsion, and has taken it upon himself to be the messiah of his people.

Yes the Architect was unique, until now. Corypheus was revealed. An intelligent, free thinking, almost human-like darkspawn with command over magic. And in leiu of an active Archdemon, can control the non-thinking darkspawn. Just like the Architect.

Also let's not forget that if he reappears, the Architect will likely be redesigned like the rest of the darkspawn. And he might look similar to Corypheus. Like a mutated human.

Architect might not even be really dead. If Corypheus has the ability to transmit his soul into others then the Architect might as well.

Is that what happened with Laryus(sp?), did we free Corypheus  by killing him and allowing his soul to transfer to Laryus?

[Ginkeh]

Torax wrote...

You wake up where your body was and not where you are located when she casted spell. This hints at your body NEVER moving

Eh, don`t you enter the fade in Kristoff`s camp, and wake up outside the gates of the Baroness`s villa?

I could be wrong, but I`m also fairly certain. 

[rak72]

Ginkeh wrote...

Torax wrote...

You wake up where your body was and not where you are located when she casted spell. This hints at your body NEVER moving

Eh, don`t you enter the fade in Kristoff`s camp, and wake up outside the gates of the Baroness`s villa?

I could be wrong, but I`m also fairly certain. 

No, you wake up back at the camp.

[TEWR]

No, you wake up back where Kristoff died, which was away from the camp.

[Ginkeh]

DaerogTheDhampir wrote...

Wild theory, hardly anything to support it, but super villians being reborn again and again I find to be fun and dramatic.

Ugh, I`m on the other end of that, When I have defeated someone I prefer them to stay defeated so I can move on and experience new characters.

Eventhough I love Flemeth I cringed a little when I saw her ressurected, though I forgive Bioware for that one.

Edit:

rak72 wrote...


No, you wake up back at the camp.

Allright then, my bad.

Modifié par Ginkeh, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:22 .

[rak72]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

No, you wake up back where Kristoff died, which was away from the camp.

Right, but we entered the fade there too, right?

Edit - now I'm just confused

Modifié par rak72, 30 juillet 2011 - 08:23 .

[TEWR]

Eventhough I love Flemeth I cringed a little when I saw her ressurected, though I forgive Bioware for that one.

Well, hints had been dropped in both DAO and WH that she was coming back, so you knew what to expect =P

[TEWR]

rak72 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

No, you wake up back where Kristoff died, which was away from the camp.

Right, but we entered the fade there too, right?

Edit - now I'm just confused

you found Kristoff's corpse and were ambushed by The First. Then, you enter the fade. When you wake up, you're back where Kristoff's corpse was.


All of that though was in a separate area away from Kristoff's camp.

[Ginkeh]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Eventhough I love Flemeth I cringed a little when I saw her ressurected, though I forgive Bioware for that one.

Well, hints had been dropped in both DAO and WH that she was coming back, so you knew what to expect =P

This is true, I just hope it doesn`t become a trend =/

[rak72]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

rak72 wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

No, you wake up back where Kristoff died, which was away from the camp.

Right, but we entered the fade there too, right?

Edit - now I'm just confused

you found Kristoff's corpse and were ambushed by The First. Then, you enter the fade. When you wake up, you're back where Kristoff's corpse was.


All of that though was in a separate area away from Kristoff's camp.

Ok, so you DO wake up where you entered

[TEWR]

Ginkeh wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Eventhough I love Flemeth I cringed a little when I saw her ressurected, though I forgive Bioware for that one.

Well, hints had been dropped in both DAO and WH that she was coming back, so you knew what to expect =P

This is true, I just hope it doesn`t become a trend =/

Flemeth is definitely going to be key to the series. I don't think she'll ever truly die until she wants to. Which may be never, depending on who she really is.

Also, I wouldn't mind if Bioware at least gave us hints about characters they feel they might bring back. Had they done that with Leliana, the forums wouldn't have had such a ****storm. All they needed in DAO was one sentence talking about how she was defeated in a room with healing ashes and was said to be watched by the Maker, and whether she was dead or not wasn't known.