The Architect stated that he was born the way he was. Corypheus is a magister from Tevinter who went into the fade.
I am of the opinion that The Architect is a descendant of the original Magisters who were turned into Darkspawn, not a magister himself.
I wonder if The Architect is really a Magister.
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While the transmigration thing people have talked about is interesting, the idea that Cory can just pop into a Grey Warden and take over kinda sits ill with me. Their whole deal is that the Archdemon can't take over "occupied" space, and both souls are instead destroyed. So it seems like a bit of a cop out to allow these superspawn to do something even the tainted Old Gods can't.
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Perhaps as RagingCyclone theorized, Cory IS Dumat and was never actually "killed" by the 1st Wardens, but actually trapped.
Edit - and Hawk just started another blight
Edit - and Hawk just started another blight
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Heather Cline wrote...
The Architect stated that he was born the way he was. Corypheus is a magister from Tevinter who went into the fade.
I am of the opinion that The Architect is a descendant of the original Magisters who were turned into Darkspawn, not a magister himself.
The Architect is also cunning, manipulative, and deceptive. When he had his chance to kill an old god he created an Archdemon. Actions speak louder than words and his excuse is whack.
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I seriously doubt that the architect would confess to the warden that he was a magister... "Hey, I am one of the magisters that started the blight... BTW, could you help me kill the mother?"
It makes sense that he is a magister... one that has changed his mind on seeking out the old gods perhaps...
It makes sense that he is a magister... one that has changed his mind on seeking out the old gods perhaps...
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"Born the way he is" doesn't mean he wasn't born differently. He was born a human, and after going to the Black City he was born a Darkspawn.
reincarnation just got twisted.
reincarnation just got twisted.
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considering that his notes admit that he should have killed it in its sleep there may be some truth in his words.The Grey Nayr wrote...
Heather Cline wrote...
The Architect stated that he was born the way he was. Corypheus is a magister from Tevinter who went into the fade.
I am of the opinion that The Architect is a descendant of the original Magisters who were turned into Darkspawn, not a magister himself.
The Architect is also cunning, manipulative, and deceptive. When he had his chance to kill an old god he created an Archdemon. Actions speak louder than words and his excuse is whack.
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Posté 31 juillet 2011 - 01:25
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HSHAW wrote...
considering that his notes admit that he should have killed it in its sleep there may be some truth in his words.The Grey Nayr wrote...
Heather Cline wrote...
The Architect stated that he was born the way he was. Corypheus is a magister from Tevinter who went into the fade.
I am of the opinion that The Architect is a descendant of the original Magisters who were turned into Darkspawn, not a magister himself.
The Architect is also cunning, manipulative, and deceptive. When he had his chance to kill an old god he created an Archdemon. Actions speak louder than words and his excuse is whack.
The best lies have a hint of truth in them. But that doesn't mean he is being truthful of his motives. Maybe he thought he could control the Archdemon and make himself king of the darkspawn and conquer the world.
Look at his dishonesty towards Bregan. he said he wanted to make everyone into Grey Wardens, and kill the old gods so everyone could coexist with the Darkspawn. But the joining ritual requires more than the taint. It involves lyrium and archdemon blood. The truth was that he was going to make everyone into Ghouls(every man would become a hunched over and crazy, and every woman would become a broodmother.), not wardens. And if he did make them into Wardens his next step would be sacrificing the people for their blood to turn all the Darkspawn into Disciples. There would be no coexistence because nobody would be left. And I'd like to point out that David Gaider once said that female Grey Wardens are barren, So humanity would go extinct in roughly a century.(Dunno why Fiona was able to have Alistair but I assume it's because the taint vanished from her.)
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Perhaps as RagingCyclone theorized, Cory IS Dumat and was never actually "killed" by the 1st Wardens, but actually trapped.
Edit - and Hawk just started another blight
That would be interesting if Dumat went into a Magister Darkspawn, and now they've got a whole Anders/Justice thing going on.
And when Hawke killed him, Dumat went into Larius/Janeka. Corypheus the Magister is dead, but Dumat isn't.
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The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
rak72 wrote...
Perhaps as RagingCyclone theorized, Cory IS Dumat and was never actually "killed" by the 1st Wardens, but actually trapped.
Edit - and Hawk just started another blight
That would be interesting if Dumat went into a Magister Darkspawn, and now they've got a whole Anders/Justice thing going on.
And when Hawke killed him, Dumat went into Larius/Janeka. Corypheus the Magister is dead, but Dumat isn't.
A nice theory for sure.
However! It doesn't explain why a grey warden would die after performing a killing blow against an archdemon. If Corypheus was in fact Dumat incarnated then Larius/Janeka would have dropped dead right then and there when his soul passed to either of them.
Unless the archdemons aren't actual Old Gods in dragon form but something else entirely... Dundunduuun!
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I'm not so sure Archie is a magister, to be honest. His physical appearance as described in the Calling pegs him as more reminiscent of a darkspawn emissary and personality-wise, he doesn't seem to be even slightly understanding how people or their mindsets work at all. If he really was a magister, I would expect him to be less clueless.
But who knows. If he really was a magister, he may have simply forgotten his humanity and existed in the belief that he was merely an odd darkspawn. It would explain why he seems so cultured and knowledgeable and even knows how to read and write. A darkspawn, no matter how intelligent, would have a difficult time finding someone willing to teach him how to do that.
But who knows. If he really was a magister, he may have simply forgotten his humanity and existed in the belief that he was merely an odd darkspawn. It would explain why he seems so cultured and knowledgeable and even knows how to read and write. A darkspawn, no matter how intelligent, would have a difficult time finding someone willing to teach him how to do that.
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One question is how the Architect is 1000-2000 years old if he is indeed a Magister; is he immortal? He was not in stasis...unlike Corypheus. I mean, A lifespan spanning millenia...? Of course if he has been cursed by the 'Maker' it might be part of his curse.
The magisters wanted immortality. Maybe they got exactly what they wanted - they were, with the taint, immortal.
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It would be odd to suddenly say that the Architect is a Magister, why not make that connection during Awakening? What reason would he have to hide it and play himself up like just a thinking mans Darkspawn?
The same reason he hid that his "plan" for peace was to infect everyone with the taint, turning them into ghouls or sterilizing them like the Grey Wardens, and that he was the cause of the 5th Blight. He lies. A lot.
You say that someone who is powerful enough to invade the apparently always Black City, would be strong enough to sustain themselves on their magic battery alone.
The darkspawn taint sustains darkspawn, forever.
Well i would also think someone who would actually do that wouldn't humble themselves to being a mere talking Darkspawn. I think he would be a little more "grand" if he was a Magister from the height of Tevinter power.
He isn't a mere talking darkspawn. Look at the power difference between Corypheus (for example) and a hurlock.
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Henceforth, I shall refer to the Archie|Cory-class darkspawn as "Warlocks".In Exile wrote...
He isn't a mere talking darkspawn. Look at the power difference between Corypheus (for example) and a hurlock.
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Well lying about those things make sense, as a Grey Warden, wouldn't you kill him on the spot for saying he started the 5th Blight? However saying that he is a really smart Darkspawn gives you MORE reason to kill him than saying he is just a really ugly mage. His lies are to benefit or protect him, not just lie for the hell of it. And I don't recall anyone ever saying the taint sustains them forever, in fact Riordan said that the Darkspawn had generations, making me believe they don't last forever. Lastly power doesn't elevate him about being a Darkspawn, the enemy of everyone, that shouldn't exactly be a desirable position.
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Darkspawn cannot die of old age. Gaider confirmed this. The taint can sustain them forever.Sepewrath wrote...
Well lying about those things make sense, as a Grey Warden, wouldn't you kill him on the spot for saying he started the 5th Blight? However saying that he is a really smart Darkspawn gives you MORE reason to kill him than saying he is just a really ugly mage. His lies are to benefit or protect him, not just lie for the hell of it. And I don't recall anyone ever saying the taint sustains them forever, in fact Riordan said that the Darkspawn had generations, making me believe they don't last forever. Lastly power doesn't elevate him about being a Darkspawn, the enemy of everyone, that shouldn't exactly be a desirable position.
It could have something to do with the nature of an Old God's soul that makes it incompatible with another's. While two normal souls can occupy the same space (or merge) just fine.Ulicus wrote...
While the transmigration thing people have talked about is interesting, the idea that Cory can just pop into a Grey Warden and take over kinda sits ill with me. Their whole deal is that the Archdemon can't take over "occupied" space, and both souls are instead destroyed. So it seems like a bit of a cop out to allow these superspawn to do something even the tainted Old Gods can't.
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Considering you fight an Ancient Darkspawn, they do indeed live a very long time.
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Wouldn't this just be easier summed up if every similarity off the top of your head was posted?
1. They're both mages.
2. They both have awesome shoulder-pads and robes.
3. They're both very human-like and disfigured. The armor being their skin is awesome.
4. [And this one's probably my favorite] The Architect + The Conductor + (There's going to be something else here, as there were more that took part in creating the first Blight) = A good relation
5. The Architect is very deceptive, as pointed out many times in this thread. He wouldn't have to tell us anything he didn't want us to know.
6. Corypheus' description after the fight says that he's gone... for now.
7. Maybe The Architect is just gone... for now.
8. Come on: All of these similarities AND they both control Darkspawn? I hope you're convinced by now.
9. They're old.
I'm convinced The Architect is just a more clever, far less confused magister than The Conductor (Cory).
1. They're both mages.
2. They both have awesome shoulder-pads and robes.
3. They're both very human-like and disfigured. The armor being their skin is awesome.
4. [And this one's probably my favorite] The Architect + The Conductor + (There's going to be something else here, as there were more that took part in creating the first Blight) = A good relation
5. The Architect is very deceptive, as pointed out many times in this thread. He wouldn't have to tell us anything he didn't want us to know.
6. Corypheus' description after the fight says that he's gone... for now.
7. Maybe The Architect is just gone... for now.
8. Come on: All of these similarities AND they both control Darkspawn? I hope you're convinced by now.
9. They're old.
I'm convinced The Architect is just a more clever, far less confused magister than The Conductor (Cory).
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The Grey Nayr wrote...
HSHAW wrote...
considering that his notes admit that he should have killed it in its sleep there may be some truth in his words.The Grey Nayr wrote...
Heather Cline wrote...
The Architect stated that he was born the way he was. Corypheus is a magister from Tevinter who went into the fade.
I am of the opinion that The Architect is a descendant of the original Magisters who were turned into Darkspawn, not a magister himself.
The Architect is also cunning, manipulative, and deceptive. When he had his chance to kill an old god he created an Archdemon. Actions speak louder than words and his excuse is whack.
The best lies have a hint of truth in them. But that doesn't mean he is being truthful of his motives. Maybe he thought he could control the Archdemon and make himself king of the darkspawn and conquer the world.
Look at his dishonesty towards Bregan. he said he wanted to make everyone into Grey Wardens, and kill the old gods so everyone could coexist with the Darkspawn. But the joining ritual requires more than the taint. It involves lyrium and archdemon blood. The truth was that he was going to make everyone into Ghouls(every man would become a hunched over and crazy, and every woman would become a broodmother.), not wardens. And if he did make them into Wardens his next step would be sacrificing the people for their blood to turn all the Darkspawn into Disciples. There would be no coexistence because nobody would be left. And I'd like to point out that David Gaider once said that female Grey Wardens are barren, So humanity would go extinct in roughly a century.(Dunno why Fiona was able to have Alistair but I assume it's because the taint vanished from her.)
Mr. Gaider didn't say they were barren. If so, he has since changed his mind. You're forgetting Fiona from the book "The Calling." Fiona was a Grey Warden and she gave birth, so this isn't true. She is also rumored to be Alistair's real mother. There is also Sophia Dryden's storyline. She had to have been a mother sometime in her life for Levi Dryden to be her great, great, grandson. The Codex entry on Sophia also states that she was made a Warden early in her life and during WK, it became known that she was also cousin to King Arland. Mr. Gaider said that wardens can have children but it is very rare for them to do so. The two warden births that we know of so far include one warden producing a child, which was Fiona and King Maric. We don't know who Sophia Dryden's love interest was back in her time. They didn't include this in her storyline. Plus the dark ritual with Morrigan and the Male Warden or with Alistair or Loghain. So it seems a warden can have a child but not with another Grey Warden, which also points to the fact that Alistair might know who his mother actually was. I can see Duncan telling him.
Also, the Architect could have once been a warden who was a mage once upon a time. The lore of the game also includes that darkspawn could have been wardens who went to their calling. In your calling you can turn into a darkspawn if you're not killed battling darkspawn on your own during your calling. A warden goes on their calling without aid of any kind. They go alone or I'm assuming this. Either way a warden or a small group is eventually going to be overwhelmed in the deep roads or maybe not. I think any of my wardens would survive their calling for awhile at least, since I'm a powerful by the time my calling would happen. I'm a warrior with extreme abilities by that point in time in my life as a warden. Unless the calling weakens your abilities since your transforming. Look at Alistair in the new game. I think they did this on purpose. He face is totally changed. I've seen screenshots of the players who have come close to creating Alistair for their character and Ser Cullen could pull a close second of Alistair in the new CC. Even Anders doesn't fully look the same.
Bergan and Genevieve both started turning into darkspawn in the book. Bergan's calling is advanced to the point of being discribed in the book of him actually turning into a darkspawn and how his body started to change. So darkspawn are created two ways: a warden on their calling who doesn't remember the transformation and also born to a broodmother.
So, the Architect can be one of three things:
A former magister of trevinter, or a magister's helper as Fenris sister was going to become ;and who tried to enter the Golden City with his master.
Or he was a former mage Grey Warden who didn't fully turn into a darkspawn and doesn't remember his transformation. Even the Architect tells Bergan what is happening to him. Genevieve also realizes what is happening to her own body and that she is changing somehow and the darkspawn in the deep roads are not attacking them like they should be. Commander Genevieve and her party should have been overwhelmed with darkspawn. Yeah, they had battles and her thoughts in the book are that they should have been fighting for their lives to the point of being overwhelmed. Like Rowan, Maric, Fiona, and Loghain were in the deep roads.
I also feel that the dlc also hints that the Wardens might have been more fully involved during the first blight and for some reason the chantry is investigating the wardens for some reason. Why is the Chantry Seekers (Cassandra) looking for the warden(s) and investigating them and why was it reported to her on the activities of the Grey Wardens in Kirkwall? This is a hugh question. Why would the Chantry care when they've got their own problems? Cassandra made it obvious the Chantry doesn't like the Wardens. We also know this with the Howe's storylines and Alistairs' as well.
In DAO there was a rumor that the Wardens did worship the Arch Demons. I also thought of this when playing the new dlc and coming across the Altar of Dumat. Was the prison one of the portals once upon a time to enter the Golden City or they just found Cory during the first blight at Dumat's shrine/alter, and imprisoned him where they found him? It's obvious that the old god is still alive and kicking somewhere.
Why wasn't Larius done with his transformation or killed by darkspawn within the prison? Bergan and Larius both lost their hair, humped over, and their eyes were changed just like Wesley's when he became infected. Also why does Aveline tell Wesley the darkspawn will not have him? If you notice the new darkspawn art style shows them as still partly human, or dwarves. We really didn't see any shreks this time around for the elves. Aveline called them flames? The new Hurlock Alpha shows the human features especially their legs. The new Hurlock Alpha reminded me of Alistair as a warrior.
Remember in the Market District battle for Denerim one of the Generals was trying to break into the Chantry. Why when there was plenty of people in the army to kill? Why would the Arch demon send it's general to break into the chantry. Why was the Denerim Chantry so important? We were never inside the Denerim Chantry in the original game. One word Phalactery....whose? Anders? Maybe. Was Justice actually Cory invading Anders' mind and not the Justice we meet in Awakenings?
I'm sorry this was so long winded, just my thoughts on the Architect and Cory both.
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Your post was too long for a clear response, so I'm using a summary of lines.
>Alistair and Anders don't look the same.
They've redesigned the game. Leliana doesn't look the same either. Anders is more explained through his emotional changes, too; this goes along with Alistair's (most likely) stressful time as king or a drunk, depending on what he was at the end of your Origins.
>The new Hurlock Alpha reminded me of Alistair as a warrior.I thought Hurlocks were humans turned Darkspawn. I'm probably wrong, since I haven't read the Codex entries in a while, but I was pretty sure they are.
>Even the Architect tells Bergan what is happening to him. Genevieve also realizes what is happening to her own body and that she is changing somehow and the darkspawn in the deep roads are not attacking them like they should be. Commander Genevieve and her party should have been overwhelmed with darkspawn. Yeah, they had battles and her thoughts in the book...etc.
I haven't read the books, so I have no comment here.
>In DAO there was a rumor that the Wardens did worship the Arch Demons. I also thought of this when playing the new dlc and coming across the Altar of Dumat. Was the prison one of the portals once upon a time to enter the Golden City or they just found Cory during the first blight at Dumat's shrine/alter, and imprisoned him where they found him? It's obvious that the old god is still alive and kicking somewhere.
I'm going to look into this.
>Why wasn't Larius done with his transformation or killed by darkspawn within the prison?
I was under the assumption that this could be how some Wardens "die" to the taint. Instead of actually 'dying' or turning into a full-fledged Darkspawn, some may just turn into these horrid, slumped-over bags of crazy.
>Also why does Aveline tell Wesley the darkspawn will not have him?
Because she's a woman that isn't thinking clearly when the love of her life has been badly injured and infected with the taint. She won't have him become a Darkspawn, but she also doesn't want to let him go. This one's rediculous.
>We really didn't see any shreks this time around for the elves.
This actually was surprising.
>Remember in the Market District battle for Denerim one of the Generals was trying to break into the Chantry. Why when there was plenty of people in the army to kill?
I actually didn't think much of this. People in this game tend to hide in Chantrys, and they're usually easy prey.
>Was Justice actually Cory invading Anders' mind and not the Justice we meet in Awakenings?
That's silly. Plausible, but silly. Anders brought a corruptable spirit into his body and is now paying the consequence like any other mage that messes with spirits. Justice wants exactly what his name implies, a justice that has been twisted and corrupted by Anders' hate for Templars and his/their stupid actions.
>I also feel that the dlc also hints that the Wardens might have been more fully involved during the first blight and for some reason the chantry is investigating the wardens for some reason.
The Wardens can and have been involved in so much. I have no idea where to start with the possibilities here.
Your post was too long for a clear response, so I'm using a summary of lines.
>Alistair and Anders don't look the same.
They've redesigned the game. Leliana doesn't look the same either. Anders is more explained through his emotional changes, too; this goes along with Alistair's (most likely) stressful time as king or a drunk, depending on what he was at the end of your Origins.
>The new Hurlock Alpha reminded me of Alistair as a warrior.I thought Hurlocks were humans turned Darkspawn. I'm probably wrong, since I haven't read the Codex entries in a while, but I was pretty sure they are.
>Even the Architect tells Bergan what is happening to him. Genevieve also realizes what is happening to her own body and that she is changing somehow and the darkspawn in the deep roads are not attacking them like they should be. Commander Genevieve and her party should have been overwhelmed with darkspawn. Yeah, they had battles and her thoughts in the book...etc.
I haven't read the books, so I have no comment here.
>In DAO there was a rumor that the Wardens did worship the Arch Demons. I also thought of this when playing the new dlc and coming across the Altar of Dumat. Was the prison one of the portals once upon a time to enter the Golden City or they just found Cory during the first blight at Dumat's shrine/alter, and imprisoned him where they found him? It's obvious that the old god is still alive and kicking somewhere.
I'm going to look into this.
>Why wasn't Larius done with his transformation or killed by darkspawn within the prison?
I was under the assumption that this could be how some Wardens "die" to the taint. Instead of actually 'dying' or turning into a full-fledged Darkspawn, some may just turn into these horrid, slumped-over bags of crazy.
>Also why does Aveline tell Wesley the darkspawn will not have him?
Because she's a woman that isn't thinking clearly when the love of her life has been badly injured and infected with the taint. She won't have him become a Darkspawn, but she also doesn't want to let him go. This one's rediculous.
>We really didn't see any shreks this time around for the elves.
This actually was surprising.
>Remember in the Market District battle for Denerim one of the Generals was trying to break into the Chantry. Why when there was plenty of people in the army to kill?
I actually didn't think much of this. People in this game tend to hide in Chantrys, and they're usually easy prey.
>Was Justice actually Cory invading Anders' mind and not the Justice we meet in Awakenings?
That's silly. Plausible, but silly. Anders brought a corruptable spirit into his body and is now paying the consequence like any other mage that messes with spirits. Justice wants exactly what his name implies, a justice that has been twisted and corrupted by Anders' hate for Templars and his/their stupid actions.
>I also feel that the dlc also hints that the Wardens might have been more fully involved during the first blight and for some reason the chantry is investigating the wardens for some reason.
The Wardens can and have been involved in so much. I have no idea where to start with the possibilities here.
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Well lying about those things make sense, as a Grey Warden, wouldn't you kill him on the spot for saying he started the 5th Blight?
As a Warden (or a non-Warden, or basically anything that isn't a darkspawn), I'd kill him on the spot for being a darkspawn.
However saying that he is a really smart Darkspawn gives you MORE reason to kill him than saying he is just a really ugly mage.
Why do you think him having been a magister means he is not a darkspawn now?
His lies are to benefit or protect him, not just lie for the hell of it. And I don't recall anyone ever saying the taint sustains them forever, in fact Riordan said that the Darkspawn had generations, making me believe they don't last forever. Lastly power doesn't elevate him about being a Darkspawn, the enemy of everyone, that shouldn't exactly be a desirable position.
The taint makes them immortal.
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I'm not so sure Archie is a magister, to be honest. His physical appearance as described in the Calling pegs him as more reminiscent of a darkspawn emissary and personality-wise, he doesn't seem to be even slightly understanding how people or their mindsets work at all. If he really was a magister, I would expect him to be less clueless.
But who knows. If he really was a magister, he may have simply forgotten his humanity and existed in the belief that he was merely an odd darkspawn. It would explain why he seems so cultured and knowledgeable and even knows how to read and write. A darkspawn, no matter how intelligent, would have a difficult time finding someone willing to teach him how to do that.
It's possible that at the time they didn't plan for it to turn out as it did. Perhaps it was a while after Awakening was released that they thought up the idea that they should reveal some (all?) of the ancient magisters who invaded the Black City are still around, and that the Architect will be one.
I don't see why anyone thinks he isn't one now though. Beyond the physical similarities, Architect is the only "naturally" sentient darkspawn besides Corypheus. He eventually figured out how to make some other darkspawn sentient (and it doesn't seem to be turning out well, big surprise) but he didn't get that way himself because he invented it. There's only one other reason we've seen for a darkspawn being sentient. That they're a tainted magister. If it looks like a tainted magister, quacks like a tainted magister, and possesses armageddon spells like a tainted magister, it's a tainted magister.
As for why he'd hide his past... wouldn't you? His greed is responsible for death and destruction beyond imagination. All the other DA characters people hate for their crimes, from Meredith and Anders to Loghain, all of them combined aren't even a drop in the Olympic size swimming pool to what those magisters did.
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LOL, well it seems that you read enough of my post to make your points!
I understand that they buildt a new engine, I know this. I've followed the Dragon Age series since Bioware announced that they were going to make the game on the old forums.
My point on Alistair and Anders being different are these thoughts: I felt they made Alistair like that on purpose to possibly show how the taint might be actually affecting Alistair as a possible future plot point. His death most likely. By the end of DA2 it has been nearly 7 - 10 years since the fall of the Arch Demon or to show that he has aged since DAO and not in a good way either. As you stated the pressure of being king. Teagan does make Alistair look like an idiot and I'm guessing Alistair was also going to ask for Hawke's help in finding the warden. He is interrupted by Meredith, which I believe is the real reason that Alistair was in Kirkwall using his office as King as an excuse.
Anders may also not look the same because of Justice. Kristoff had a sunken face when dead. Anders in Awakenings had slightly fuller cheeks. Anders looks sick and pale in DA2. In Awakenings he looked healthy for someone on the run. Also when Bioware announced that Anders was going to be in DA2 his original character page made the comment that Justice may or may not be the Justice that we knew from Awakenings, they have since revised his page since the release of the game.
Like I said in my post. It's been hinted that wardens do indeed turn into darkspawn during their calling but not fully proven in the game, we've never actually seen this fully happen to a warden. Only told this in the books. And yes the Hurlocks were once humans. The elves shrieks, and the genlocks the dwarvens, the Qunari into Orges.
One of the bartenders tells the rumor about the Grey Wardens worshipping the Arch demon. I want to the say the one in the Gnawned Noble Tavern or the one from Lothering. You can click on each of them for gossip. You have to click each time for a new piece of gossip.
As for Aveline, she is the only one in the entire series so far that calls the darkspawn flames, this could have something to do with Wesley's mission he mentions for the chantry, during the escape from Lothering. Wesley wasn't just in the area to find Aveline because of Ostagar he clearly states he was on a mission for the Chantry. Has the chantry figured out that wardens turn into darkspawn? If so all heck is going to break loose with the Templars and Mages and now the Chantry starting a fight with the wardens. Notice in DAO there are no Templars in the battle with Cailan. Why not? For all we know Templars or Seekers could have spies at Ostagar and they could have seen Wardens turn into darkspawn after the battle and this could be what Wesley's mission was and his need to report back to the Chantry. We really don't know.
As for the Old God unless you have played the new dlc there isn't much to find regarding the fact the Dumat's shrine does work with the quest. Which implies that the Arch Demon is still alive or still able to communicate. This in turn also implies that the Arch Demon Dumat wasn't truly killed by the wardens or Dumat can still communicate from the fade if actually dead. Or Sandal found a really clever way to get new equipment to you in the prison using Dumat's shrine! Your storage box shows up out of nowhere. So Sandal was nearby.
I swear by the Maker I don't think finding out Sandal was an old god himself would surprise me or the Maker himself. Bohdan doesn't want the Circle or the Chantry getting at Sandal anymore. Sandal and Bohdan seem to be on the run for some reason.
Janeka in the new dlc also asked Larius why he is still alive and he never answers the question. She is a warden and she should know the answer? So Cory has something to do with this or the prison itself does. You do pick up a codex that says the prison is a puzzle and once entered nobody knows how to leave. This also isn't fully true because Larius sends the wardens with him back out of the prison if you side with Janeka. Stroud or Alistair's mission had to be to find Janeka in Kirkwall or the Architect or even the Warden Commander from Ferelden. It was made plain by Larius if you side with him that Janeka went against the Warden Commander's order in releasing Cory. Which Warden Commander? Anders said the Wardens didn't have a base in Kirkwall yet Bethany mentions being stationed at Amsburg or something named similar to this. So there is a warden base in the Free Marches somewhere. Varric's epilogue also states that Bethany has been the only one of the family to return to Ferelden if a Grey Warden.
During the scenes with the Viscount we are shown documents on his desk with a possible Grey Warden Seal before the Battle with the Qunari breaks out.
Cory does take over Anders' mind in the dlc. It's obvious that you haven't played it with Anders in your party. Since this is a spoiler thread. Anders does attack you when in the party and Cory is trying to control Anders. In one playthrough with Fenris, Bethany, and Anders along Bethany tells Fenris to put a cork in it his pie whole and explains to Fenris what is happening to Anders because of being a warden with the taint. Bethany even gets it. Therefore it is reasonable to speculate that Cory is the one who joined with Anders all along. It's possible is all that I'm saying and Anders' attack on the party leads to questions.
It's also addressed in the new dlc that Cory might be possession of Janeka when you have to make the final decision at the last level of the tower. So something is up with the decision that you make. It's also implied that Janeka and Larius might be possessed by Cory and leaves the tower in this way. I can't make my mind up on this one.
The first cut scene between Varric and Cassandra clearly shows that Cassandra has anger at the Grey Wardens, and not just over Anders being a member of the Wardens and for keeping Cory hidden. Nobody also has figured out how the wardens learned to prepare the joining to be able to kill an arch demon so there is more that we don't know and I'm guessing the Chantry might have a clue. If it is blood magic then the Chantry is going to have a bone to pick with the wardens. They already do over mages and now Cory being revealed doesn't exactly help.
Why was the Chantry so concerned with the battle for Denerim and have the need to move the phlacteries which we are told in Awakenings. I'd think they would be more concerned over the lives of their flock in Denerim and Ferelden as a whole and the lives of their mages and Templars by the time the Battle for Denerim happens. The only reason to move the mages blood is due to Jowan or Anders, or the Chantry isn't fully telling the truth on why they have taken a mages blood for centuries. Which proves to me the Chantry ala Seekers are trying to find out how to kill an Arch demon on their own without wardens, ala Leliana. Leliana flat out lies to the wardens to join them. She is a bard after all, and it has now been revealed that she is the Divine's Right Hand. The chantry also frightens Alistair to a point. When he discusses the Chantry in DAO. He flat out states they will use that army too for any purpose they desire. We also don't know much about the Seekers, except they are the elite of the Templars.
Also these are nothing more than speculations and questions of my own within the series.
Enjoy your own speculations and investigations.
You also might want to pop over to fanfiction.net and read some of the fan fiction created. Some of the stories are amazing that people are writing and taking their Wardens, Hawkes, and companions into amazing directions, and their fictions are nothing more than their speculations on the game. Some of them are awesome and show creativity. I think you'll enjoy reading some of them.
LOL, well it seems that you read enough of my post to make your points!
I understand that they buildt a new engine, I know this. I've followed the Dragon Age series since Bioware announced that they were going to make the game on the old forums.
My point on Alistair and Anders being different are these thoughts: I felt they made Alistair like that on purpose to possibly show how the taint might be actually affecting Alistair as a possible future plot point. His death most likely. By the end of DA2 it has been nearly 7 - 10 years since the fall of the Arch Demon or to show that he has aged since DAO and not in a good way either. As you stated the pressure of being king. Teagan does make Alistair look like an idiot and I'm guessing Alistair was also going to ask for Hawke's help in finding the warden. He is interrupted by Meredith, which I believe is the real reason that Alistair was in Kirkwall using his office as King as an excuse.
Anders may also not look the same because of Justice. Kristoff had a sunken face when dead. Anders in Awakenings had slightly fuller cheeks. Anders looks sick and pale in DA2. In Awakenings he looked healthy for someone on the run. Also when Bioware announced that Anders was going to be in DA2 his original character page made the comment that Justice may or may not be the Justice that we knew from Awakenings, they have since revised his page since the release of the game.
Like I said in my post. It's been hinted that wardens do indeed turn into darkspawn during their calling but not fully proven in the game, we've never actually seen this fully happen to a warden. Only told this in the books. And yes the Hurlocks were once humans. The elves shrieks, and the genlocks the dwarvens, the Qunari into Orges.
One of the bartenders tells the rumor about the Grey Wardens worshipping the Arch demon. I want to the say the one in the Gnawned Noble Tavern or the one from Lothering. You can click on each of them for gossip. You have to click each time for a new piece of gossip.
As for Aveline, she is the only one in the entire series so far that calls the darkspawn flames, this could have something to do with Wesley's mission he mentions for the chantry, during the escape from Lothering. Wesley wasn't just in the area to find Aveline because of Ostagar he clearly states he was on a mission for the Chantry. Has the chantry figured out that wardens turn into darkspawn? If so all heck is going to break loose with the Templars and Mages and now the Chantry starting a fight with the wardens. Notice in DAO there are no Templars in the battle with Cailan. Why not? For all we know Templars or Seekers could have spies at Ostagar and they could have seen Wardens turn into darkspawn after the battle and this could be what Wesley's mission was and his need to report back to the Chantry. We really don't know.
As for the Old God unless you have played the new dlc there isn't much to find regarding the fact the Dumat's shrine does work with the quest. Which implies that the Arch Demon is still alive or still able to communicate. This in turn also implies that the Arch Demon Dumat wasn't truly killed by the wardens or Dumat can still communicate from the fade if actually dead. Or Sandal found a really clever way to get new equipment to you in the prison using Dumat's shrine! Your storage box shows up out of nowhere. So Sandal was nearby.
I swear by the Maker I don't think finding out Sandal was an old god himself would surprise me or the Maker himself. Bohdan doesn't want the Circle or the Chantry getting at Sandal anymore. Sandal and Bohdan seem to be on the run for some reason. Janeka in the new dlc also asked Larius why he is still alive and he never answers the question. She is a warden and she should know the answer? So Cory has something to do with this or the prison itself does. You do pick up a codex that says the prison is a puzzle and once entered nobody knows how to leave. This also isn't fully true because Larius sends the wardens with him back out of the prison if you side with Janeka. Stroud or Alistair's mission had to be to find Janeka in Kirkwall or the Architect or even the Warden Commander from Ferelden. It was made plain by Larius if you side with him that Janeka went against the Warden Commander's order in releasing Cory. Which Warden Commander? Anders said the Wardens didn't have a base in Kirkwall yet Bethany mentions being stationed at Amsburg or something named similar to this. So there is a warden base in the Free Marches somewhere. Varric's epilogue also states that Bethany has been the only one of the family to return to Ferelden if a Grey Warden.
During the scenes with the Viscount we are shown documents on his desk with a possible Grey Warden Seal before the Battle with the Qunari breaks out.
Cory does take over Anders' mind in the dlc. It's obvious that you haven't played it with Anders in your party. Since this is a spoiler thread. Anders does attack you when in the party and Cory is trying to control Anders. In one playthrough with Fenris, Bethany, and Anders along Bethany tells Fenris to put a cork in it his pie whole and explains to Fenris what is happening to Anders because of being a warden with the taint. Bethany even gets it. Therefore it is reasonable to speculate that Cory is the one who joined with Anders all along. It's possible is all that I'm saying and Anders' attack on the party leads to questions.
It's also addressed in the new dlc that Cory might be possession of Janeka when you have to make the final decision at the last level of the tower. So something is up with the decision that you make. It's also implied that Janeka and Larius might be possessed by Cory and leaves the tower in this way. I can't make my mind up on this one.
The first cut scene between Varric and Cassandra clearly shows that Cassandra has anger at the Grey Wardens, and not just over Anders being a member of the Wardens and for keeping Cory hidden. Nobody also has figured out how the wardens learned to prepare the joining to be able to kill an arch demon so there is more that we don't know and I'm guessing the Chantry might have a clue. If it is blood magic then the Chantry is going to have a bone to pick with the wardens. They already do over mages and now Cory being revealed doesn't exactly help.
Why was the Chantry so concerned with the battle for Denerim and have the need to move the phlacteries which we are told in Awakenings. I'd think they would be more concerned over the lives of their flock in Denerim and Ferelden as a whole and the lives of their mages and Templars by the time the Battle for Denerim happens. The only reason to move the mages blood is due to Jowan or Anders, or the Chantry isn't fully telling the truth on why they have taken a mages blood for centuries. Which proves to me the Chantry ala Seekers are trying to find out how to kill an Arch demon on their own without wardens, ala Leliana. Leliana flat out lies to the wardens to join them. She is a bard after all, and it has now been revealed that she is the Divine's Right Hand. The chantry also frightens Alistair to a point. When he discusses the Chantry in DAO. He flat out states they will use that army too for any purpose they desire. We also don't know much about the Seekers, except they are the elite of the Templars.
Also these are nothing more than speculations and questions of my own within the series.
Enjoy your own speculations and investigations.
You also might want to pop over to fanfiction.net and read some of the fan fiction created. Some of the stories are amazing that people are writing and taking their Wardens, Hawkes, and companions into amazing directions, and their fictions are nothing more than their speculations on the game. Some of them are awesome and show creativity. I think you'll enjoy reading some of them.
Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 01 août 2011 - 08:09 .
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Posté 01 août 2011 - 07:00
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The statue of dumat looks just like the statue controling merril. I am thinking the old gods and the creators war was over the true source. They just need to make a Darkcity DLC. Question what if they made a game with our warden being controlled by the taint goes on a killing spree and looses him mind. Hawke find the warden but the warden cant remember our quest is to help him remember who he was and as we are doing this we find out he is the evil that has been killing people. He tells us he remembers he had to take in the source of the evil to have the power to kill the magister. He asks us for a quick death to destroy the evil inside him, but there are still 3 magistes left before to kill before the darkcity can be purified. Your Hawke, I know you have the key to there deaths. Please end the first wardens madness of serving the old gods. end the blights. I just thought this would be a cool da3 idea
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Posté 01 août 2011 - 07:31
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@ Stonemyst.
I noticed this too. Since Trevinter worshipped the Old Gods there are probably all sorts of shrines to them throughout Thedas. Both statues can also imply that Cory was also controlling Merrill.
I thought it was clever of Cory controlling so many people while in his sleep state and through his dreams. He could also have been the one trying to control Fenyriel (sp?). Even though we are shown it was just average demons. Cory covered his bases to leave that prison.
Was Cory the Enigma of Kirkwall? I haven't come to any conclusion on this either.
I noticed this too. Since Trevinter worshipped the Old Gods there are probably all sorts of shrines to them throughout Thedas. Both statues can also imply that Cory was also controlling Merrill.
I thought it was clever of Cory controlling so many people while in his sleep state and through his dreams. He could also have been the one trying to control Fenyriel (sp?). Even though we are shown it was just average demons. Cory covered his bases to leave that prison.
Was Cory the Enigma of Kirkwall? I haven't come to any conclusion on this either.
Modifié par ElvaliaRavenHart, 01 août 2011 - 08:13 .
