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[mcsupersport]

Personally I can't see how you can describe donkey ears and huge nose/ridges as fine and delicate features.....but that is just me.

I personally wish they would have just changed up the size of the models, refined the features to true delicate, with bigger eyes, a more pointed triangler face and larger eyes.  If the ears were to be changed into larger they should still conform to the head more rather than sticking out like a donkey or ship's sails.  






is more to my style of a dalish elf

[TEWR]

vallore wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

except the bodies of the elves have much more weight than that..... creature.

Have you tried the Merril romance?

It was....shocking:blink:

you haven't seen my sig have you?


Anyway, if we're talking about the bed scene, that's the fault of how the scene was handled, not the actual design itself. If we're talking about when she stood up, that part seemed normal to me.


@tmp: well, for one, I doubt people in Thedas would be into having sex with almost literally a sack of bones.

But to be serious, the males and females seem to look like they have more weight on them. Enough to fill out their body structure. Now, by human standards if a human appeared like that they might be called emaciated, but this seems to be the full extent of elven body structure, and elves aren't humans.

But alas, you are right in that I'm just hoping they don't actually look like a sack of bones.

[ScotGaymer]

I forgot to say. I always kind of thought that their heads were too big in relation to their bodies...

[TEWR]

Have I said that I love your sig because Alpha Centauri is the best game ever?

[tmp7704]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

@tmp: well, for one, I doubt people in Thedas would be into having sex with almost literally a sack of bones.

Well you know, maybe that's actually the reason why even the elf prostitutes wear this sort of clothing. Because no one would touch them if they could see what's underneath

But slightly more seriously, this is actually part of why the redesign is problematic -- because the aesthetics they've chosen can be plain off-putting, which goes against the notion that species is supposed to be perceived as 'pleasing to the eye'.

Not to invoke the worn-out comparison, but i think in terms of the body shape they were aiming for something that Avatar pulled much better off:



and simply failed. Why, i don't want to guess.

[TEWR]

If we were able to see Merrill sans her clothing (and boy do I wish we could =P), we would be able to discern more about the body structure.

Hell even if we went back to tidy whities and a bra we'd know more.

But I really don't want to return to tidy whities like Origins had.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 31 juillet 2011 - 11:54 .

[Sabariel]

Said it before, will say it again, the DA2 elves are creepy. as. hell.

The upside to the redesign was I was no longer bummed about not being able to play as my Tabris. Blergh, I don't even want to imagine what she'd look like now

Modifié par Sabariel, 01 août 2011 - 03:41 .

[PrinceLionheart]

With a few exceptions (looking at you Zevran), I prefer the new designs for Elves because they no longer look like Knife-eared humans like they did in Origins.

[Shadow Fox]

Huntress wrote...

Elves are ugly in DA2 yes rofl.. some looks like they don't feed for month's.
I have a mod for merril.. gosh took me a while to get use to her, I always left her at her home, fenris is male so is ok if he doens't look that attractive. lol

My new Merril:

So Morrigan cloned herself?

Anyway I believe the old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder applies here i don't have any real problem with the new elves except: GIVE THEM BACK THEY"RE SHOES!...Thank you.

[Masako52]

Merrill is gorgeous. She's very fey and lovely. Fenris is also strong and beautiful in design.

Seriously, posting a bunch of pictures of the aforementioned "furniture" characters... the problem with that is that the artistic intention of the DA2 staff of course is going to be focused on achieving looks with the main characters. The messy looking random background elves are frightening, yes, but that shows a laziness on Bioware's part and doesn't serve as an argument against the elf style. In game, we just have to justify it that there are ugly bastards among all the different races.

And no, the elves aren't "anorexic." Likely they have a slimmer bone structure, so of course if a human was that skinny there would be bones protruding - but for an elf, the bones carry a more slender frame.

Seriously. I'm kind of distraught that there are fans out there who don't like the elf design, because it's awesome. But I'm convinced most of those people are just anti DA2 fans who decided they hate change and are complaining about everything just because. I'm going to continue to mod the DAO elf to adhere to the DA2 style, and laugh at the haters.

...But, seriously, I just can't get over how people can possibly think Merrill or Fenris are ugly. Does not compute!

[Sabariel]

Masako52 wrote...

Merrill is gorgeous. She's very fey and lovely. Fenris is also strong and beautiful in design.

Seriously, posting a bunch of pictures of the aforementioned "furniture" characters... the problem with that is that the artistic intention of the DA2 staff of course is going to be focused on achieving looks with the main characters. The messy looking random background elves are frightening, yes, but that shows a laziness on Bioware's part and doesn't serve as an argument against the elf style. In game, we just have to justify it that there are ugly bastards among all the different races.

And no, the elves aren't "anorexic." Likely they have a slimmer bone structure, so of course if a human was that skinny there would be bones protruding - but for an elf, the bones carry a more slender frame.

Seriously. I'm kind of distraught that there are fans out there who don't like the elf design, because it's awesome. But I'm convinced most of those people are just anti DA2 fans who decided they hate change and are complaining about everything just because. I'm going to continue to mod the DAO elf to adhere to the DA2 style, and laugh at the haters.

...But, seriously, I just can't get over how people can possibly think Merrill or Fenris are ugly. Does not compute!

I like DA2, I do not like the tiny-bodied-goatish-insectile-balloon-headed elves (the only expection is Fenris... and sometimes Orisno). That's all there is to it, really. No secret "I hate change" agenda or anything

Modifié par Sabariel, 01 août 2011 - 04:07 .

[Sharn01]

I do have a bit of a problem with how thin the elves are, the females dont look to bad to me, and they may not be anorexic thin since we are never shown them with little enough clothing to tell, but the males look terrible. They dont look like they have a small bone structure, they look malnourished and weak since their shoulders are so thin and they are clearly wider at the waist then at the chest despite their slim builds.

[Masako52]

Sabariel wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

Merrill is gorgeous. She's very fey and lovely. Fenris is also strong and beautiful in design.

Seriously, posting a bunch of pictures of the aforementioned "furniture" characters... the problem with that is that the artistic intention of the DA2 staff of course is going to be focused on achieving looks with the main characters. The messy looking random background elves are frightening, yes, but that shows a laziness on Bioware's part and doesn't serve as an argument against the elf style. In game, we just have to justify it that there are ugly bastards among all the different races.

And no, the elves aren't "anorexic." Likely they have a slimmer bone structure, so of course if a human was that skinny there would be bones protruding - but for an elf, the bones carry a more slender frame.

Seriously. I'm kind of distraught that there are fans out there who don't like the elf design, because it's awesome. But I'm convinced most of those people are just anti DA2 fans who decided they hate change and are complaining about everything just because. I'm going to continue to mod the DAO elf to adhere to the DA2 style, and laugh at the haters.

...But, seriously, I just can't get over how people can possibly think Merrill or Fenris are ugly. Does not compute!

I like DA2, I do not like the tiny-bodied-goatish-insectile-balloon-headed elves (the only expection is Fenris... and sometimes Orisno). That's all there is to it, really. No secret "I hate change" agenda or anything

Well, that's good... it's kinda tiring trying to participate in these forums as a fan of DA2 when so many haters are whining. I mean, there's certainly constructive criticism, and I mean, I respect even a criticism of the elves if you really didn't like them, but honestly a lot of the comments here border on malicious and obnoxious.

On that note, Orsino is one of the elves I do find really ugly, but he seems to have a pretty big following of fangirls/boys. Why the world doesn't think exactly like I do, I'll never know!

[Sutekh]

@Sabariel

Is that your Tabris in your avatar? Because if so, she's beautiful, but looks very, very human to me.

Nothing wrong with that, mind My Mahariel looks very human too, if you forget about the ears. 

@Masako52

I like DA2 and find half the new elves horrendous. The rest (mostly the Dalish) range from acceptable to beautiful / handsome (Fenarel). Main characters are more than fine (Merrill, Fenris, Athenril, Orsino, Marethari), some even better than their DAO version. On the other hand, I'm traumatized by the new Zevran.

What I can't get over is the insectoid posture. Proportions are so-so, slim body is alright, but "The Fly" wannabe... why? Is there a particular, logical, evolution-explained reason why they would stand like this?

I had the same problem in DAO with leather-armor-wearing people. As soon as they put one on, they stood with their knees slightly bent as though the armor was incredibly heavy (which was kind of weird, considering).

Anyway, no malicious nitpicking on my part, just a matter of taste.

[DoNotIngest]

Good things happened.

[Zanallen]

Thinking about it, they do look closer to something that could become a Shriek. Posture, proportions, insectish qualities...

[Remmirath]

I will say that I do like elves being taller in general, but since they weren't previously I'd still rather it hadn't changed. The rest of the changes, though, I just don't like at all and wouldn't've even if they'd always been like that. 

They don't look like a seperate species to me still, and they won't unless it gets more dramatic. They've now, to me, acquired something of a rubber forehead alien aspect. They don't look like typical humans, but they don't look like a believable seperate species, and they look like there were just some random changes made to make them look less human. It doesn't strike me as anything other than annoying and artificial, and doesn't have the same excuse as aliens in a TV show do, either (it's really not all that much harder to make a character in a game look completely alien than it is to make them look human).

It would clearly have been jarring if they did look completely different, and I'm not saying that they should have ... but the fact that they look noticably different now is jarring to me also. Basically, the noses and all to me is like hanging a sign around the neck of a lightly made-up human saying 'not a human, very different species' in bold lettering but it was unnecessary because pointed ears are already accepted as that sign for elves.

The larger ears I can tolerate, although I suspect that's mostly because I tend not to notice ears at all. The strange necks and being even more thin I don't like, but it's the noses that I really dislike.

On the subject of making them look more like shrieks... I could maybe buy that, except for two things. One, why not change the shrieks instead (since you don't see them nearly as often). Two, considering that all other Darkspawn have changed in DA II, I rather expect that when we see a shriek they also will have.

Masako52 wrote...

Seriously. I'm kind of distraught that there are fans out there who don't like the elf design, because it's awesome. But I'm convinced most of those people are just anti DA2 fans who decided they hate change and are complaining about everything just because. I'm going to continue to mod the DAO elf to adhere to the DA2 style, and laugh at the haters.

...But, seriously, I just can't get over how people can possibly think Merrill or Fenris are ugly. Does not compute!

And I'm puzzled that there are fans out there who like the new elf design, because to me there is really not anything good about it. It's all preference. I wouldn't say I'm anti DA II exactly - I dislike a lot of the changes, but overall I enjoyed the game. I simply dislike the new elf design.

Merrill and Fenris look all right as is, but I think they would look much better in the old style. They do, however, look (to me) noticably different and less extreme than every other elf you see, so I'm not sure how much of an argument that is.

The thing that really gets to me about the new elves, even beyond the various reasons that I just dislike the way they look, is that they changed them on the second game. I have just as much of a problem with the Darkspawn. Not the dwarves, because honestly as far as I can tell they look about the same, and I would really rather if the Qunari hadn't changed (but it doesn't bother me as much, because the PC of the previous game couldn't be a Qunari). If the elves had always been this way, I would... well, I wouldn't've played an elf in the first game and I still wouldn't be fond of them, but I would have no problem with it.

So yes, to an extent I dislike change - I dislike change when it's a fairly major (to my mind, at least) change happening in the second game of a series. Particularly when it appears to be change for the sake of change. I prefer consistency in things such as species design in a series.

[Huntress]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Elves are ugly in DA2 yes rofl.. some looks like they don't feed for month's.
I have a mod for merril.. gosh took me a while to get use to her, I always left her at her home, fenris is male so is ok if he doens't look that attractive. lol

My new Merril:

So Morrigan cloned herself?

Anyway I believe the old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder applies here i don't have any real problem with the new elves except: GIVE THEM BACK THEY"RE SHOES!...Thank you.

This is Morrigan


This is Merril


Merril still need some work..the ears are a killer..

[nitefyre410]

Does the design need to be touched up yes but i was getting rather sick of elves being shorter humans with point ears. they look like human evolutionary cousin now. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 01 août 2011 - 05:40 .

[Sabariel]

Sutekh wrote...

@Sabariel

Is that your Tabris in your avatar? Because if so, she's beautiful, but looks very, very human to me.

Nope. My avatar is an Amell. My Tabris isn't on the site

[FieryDove]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Second, that pic of Merrill doesn't do Merrill justice, as having a long neck is not a bad thing. Bioware just did that scene so poorly that it looks horrible.

I know you love Merrill but that is how her body shape IS by design. I have said it before the S pretzel is unhealthy looking. The females show it the worse. All in all the new elves look bad. Body shape being the worse. Add in most of the *nice* looking ones look more human and we are back to square one. And hunchback idle stance...needs to go. imho

[alex90c]

Huntress wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Elves are ugly in DA2 yes rofl.. some looks like they don't feed for month's.
I have a mod for merril.. gosh took me a while to get use to her, I always left her at her home, fenris is male so is ok if he doens't look that attractive. lol

My new Merril:

So Morrigan cloned herself?

Anyway I believe the old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder applies here i don't have any real problem with the new elves except: GIVE THEM BACK THEY"RE SHOES!...Thank you.

This is Morrigan

KILL IT WITH FIRE

[Perles75]

They are another race, not just cute little humans. It's right they have their own racial characteristics, even if they do not correspond to the usual human aesthetic canons of beauty.

[Dariuszp]

alex90c wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Elves are ugly in DA2 yes rofl.. some looks like they don't feed for month's.
I have a mod for merril.. gosh took me a while to get use to her, I always left her at her home, fenris is male so is ok if he doens't look that attractive. lol

My new Merril:

So Morrigan cloned herself?

Anyway I believe the old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder applies here i don't have any real problem with the new elves except: GIVE THEM BACK THEY"RE SHOES!...Thank you.

This is Morrigan

KILL IT WITH FIRE

Modifié par Dariuszp, 01 août 2011 - 10:57 .