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[tmp7704]

Wulfram wrote...

The thighs are different too - the DA2 elf actually has them.  Arms show a hint of muscle.  Also, bigger breasts.

The leg thickness is the same when the characters are brought to matching scale. But because the torso of DA2 design is thinner, the legs are closer together which can make them appear thicker. The rest is difference of the lighting/contrast imo.

[Icinix]

Personally the topic should read;

Art Direction: What happened???

But to focus on the actual topic, as has been stated, it was just a case of some of the elves had some damn fine effort put into them - and others - not so much. It was those latter that dragged down the whole direction with the elves.

[nitefyre410]

congealeddgtllvr wrote...

Are people seriously arguing for busty bootylicious elves? That makes. No sense. Everything we know about them says they are lithe and slighter than humans. Think Nefertiti, not the Venus of Willendorf.

What is supposed to make them attractive to humans is that they are BEAUTIFUL. Amusingly, the majority of the DA2 elves are indeed just the opposite of that. Still, anyone arguing that Merrill does not have a beautifully rendered face is just letting their dislike for the new style in general cloud their judgement. Objectively speaking, she has the second most beautiful face of any Bioware female LI, number one being Jack, who if you removed the tattoos and gave her good hair would basically be a makeup model.

 

So I was not the only that notices this as well when it came to Jack.   +10 to you good sir

Sir this is the interent agruments don't have to make sense...

[Masako52]

tmp7704 wrote...

I accept that. You on the hand have to accept that the brain is going to draw the parallels to the human appearance and make judgements based on that, just the same. Just like having elf design which looks like short human with pointly ears makes people think "hey it looks like short human with pointly ears", having the design which looks like sickly thin human with donkey ears is going to make people think "hey it looks like sickly thin human with donkey ears". 

You can force yourself into thinking "oh but that's elf not human, so i should ignore this reaction and think instead it's beautiful~" but this is ultimately no different than what the persons who suffer from eating disorders can do to themselves, and their own perception of the body shape.

So, me thinking elves are attractive is equivalent to me having an eating disorder.... hmm. Interesting.

Guess what, I didn't have to "force" myself into liking the elf body shape. Nor did I have to "force" myself to like the dwarf body shape. I know they're different, because I know it's fantasy, and I have this amazingly awesome ability to reconcile reality and fantasy and see beauty that doesn't exist in the real world. No autographs, please.

PS - the elf "donkey ears" are adorable. Just like an elf should be, imo. Makes 'em look like Hylians from Legend of Zelda (also attractive people.)

Modifié par Masako52, 01 août 2011 - 10:34 .

[vallore]

Masako52 wrote...





PS - the elf "donkey ears" are adorable. Just like an elf should be, imo. Makes 'em look like Hylians from Legend of Zelda (also attractive people.)

<Alistair voice>

No one said that just because they are ugly and their ears are ridiculous long they cannot be cute and adorable; (turns to Fenris) who is cute and adorable? You are!...Yes you are!

</Alistair voice>

Modifié par vallore, 01 août 2011 - 11:30 .

[Zhijn]

One of the reason i liked DAO was that elfs resembled humans, but was outcasted because of the ears and lineage. It was a nice take on a rpg, putting some realistic tones to a world that could easily be ours.

The new elven design, well its like if nosferatu and a navi had a child. Eeek!. It dosnt really do anything for me, now its just another generic/strange looking rpg elf.

Modifié par Zhijn, 01 août 2011 - 11:45 .

[tmp7704]

Masako52 wrote...

So, me thinking elves are attractive is equivalent to me having an eating disorder.... hmm. Interesting.

Right, that's exactly what i said.

[Tamuril24]

Hmm a lot of people here are saying that most people that don't like the new elf design are just hating on it because they are bummed over other things in DA2.

Well let me say that I was happy with the game and the romances and interactions etc, no real complaints at all.......until we get to the elves. I can see what the designers tried to do, it probably feels to them like they can't win with ''da:o the elves look like humans with knife ears'' ''DA2 '(insert this entire thread here)"'.

So from someone that loved the game and is not a hater - give the elves some damn shoes please, they look ridiculous running around without them. If not only for some protection? I fear for Fenris getting his foot stepped on when he is fighting an ogre or some such beast! The ears are over the top I agree, now you have all called them donkey ears I just can't stop thinking that when I see it, they just need to be a tad smaller.

The faces are fine, I have no issues here at all, Fenris was beautiful with those puppy eyes and so were many other elves in the game. The body however.....yes they are supposed to be thin but the shape is just wrong some how, I can't imagine snuggling up to something so boney and skeletal like, I had to get a mod to put a trench coat on Fenris just so I didn't have to look at his weird structure.

And yes as you can probaby tell, I'm an elf (Fenris) lover ^^

[Serpieri Nei]

Tamuril24 wrote...

Hmm a lot of people here are saying that most people that don't like the new elf design are just hating on it because they are bummed over other things in DA2.

Well let me say that I was happy with the game and the romances and interactions etc, no real complaints at all.......until we get to the elves. I can see what the designers tried to do, it probably feels to them like they can't win with ''da:o the elves look like humans with knife ears'' ''DA2 '(insert this entire thread here)"'.

So from someone that loved the game and is not a hater - give the elves some damn shoes please, they look ridiculous running around without them. If not only for some protection? I fear for Fenris getting his foot stepped on when he is fighting an ogre or some such beast! The ears are over the top I agree, now you have all called them donkey ears I just can't stop thinking that when I see it, they just need to be a tad smaller.

The faces are fine, I have no issues here at all, Fenris was beautiful with those puppy eyes and so were many other elves in the game. The body however.....yes they are supposed to be thin but the shape is just wrong some how, I can't imagine snuggling up to something so boney and skeletal like, I had to get a mod to put a trench coat on Fenris just so I didn't have to look at his weird structure.

And yes as you can probaby tell, I'm an elf (Fenris) lover ^^

Yes...we are all haters who can't adapt to change. Pure Comedy.

Anyways, Bio-Age was nice enough to email the elf collage. 

So...um where are the furniture elves in Origins?

Modifié par Serpieri Nei, 02 août 2011 - 02:58 .

[Tamuril24]

Serpieri Nei wrote...

Yes...we are all haters who can't adapt to change. Pure Comedy.

Anyways, Bio-Age was nice enough to email the elf collage. 

So...um where are the furniture elves in Origins?

Aye this is why i had to add my 2 coppers, its easy to object and brush aside other peoples opinions by calling them haters, which is just total crap IMO. 

[Shadow Fox]

Huntress wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Huntress wrote...

Elves are ugly in DA2 yes rofl.. some looks like they don't feed for month's.
I have a mod for merril.. gosh took me a while to get use to her, I always left her at her home, fenris is male so is ok if he doens't look that attractive. lol

My new Merril:

So Morrigan cloned herself?

Anyway I believe the old saying beauty is in the eye of the beholder applies here i don't have any real problem with the new elves except: GIVE THEM BACK THEY"RE SHOES!...Thank you.

This is Morrigan


This is Merril


Merril still need some work..the ears are a killer..

Still looks very similar to me I was just wondering if you used her as the basis of your mod it was'nt an insult.

and I have a confession to make I do have a problem with the new elves aside from they're lack of shoes they're eyes are freaking huge and too anime looking  in a semi-realistic game that's just creepy.

I prefer your Merril by far.

I kinda wish bioware just used the LOTR elf design.

[nitefyre410]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

and I have a confession to make I do have a problem with the new elves aside from they're lack of shoes they're eyes are freaking huge and too anime looking  in a semi-realistic game that's just creepy.

I prefer your Merril by far.

I kinda wish bioware just used the LOTR elf design.

my guess is that the eyes are big like that so they can see better  in  the dark  much like a how an Owl has rather large eyes... Of course there is not to go on considering that  Bioware does not give us alot ot work with on the subject because of the Elven history is lost... yeah they shot themselves in the foot on that one.  

I like them but I would at least like some kind  in game of explantion of why they  are. 

[FieryDove]

Masako52 wrote...

I don't think Orana looks bad except for her makeup. Without that wretched eyeshadow, I think she'd be kinda cute, to be honest.

Cute is about the farthest thing on my mind but ok that's cool you like her.

But yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder…now back to world peace or something.

It doesn't really matter. Art style/elf design on and on will be done by Bioware. We can buy or not buy, there is no try. (must prepare for ToR every chance I get)

[Tamuril24]

FieryDove wrote...

Masako52 wrote...

I don't think Orana looks bad except for her makeup. Without that wretched eyeshadow, I think she'd be kinda cute, to be honest.

Cute is about the farthest thing on my mind but ok that's cool you like her.

But yes, beauty is in the eye of the beholder…now back to world peace or something.

It doesn't really matter. Art style/elf design on and on will be done by Bioware. We can buy or not buy, there is no try. (must prepare for ToR every chance I get)

While you're absolutely right about its up to Bioware and then up to us whether we buy, their whole aim is to please the buyers and make money.

I'm sure they appreciate these debates and exchanging of opinions as long as it is done in a civilised manner. It most likely helps them and gives them something to go on when they work on future games and to what the majority thought of previous things, I imagine its also nice to see what the fans thought of a product you worked ur ass on. (I'm not saying this is fact, its just my personal opinion so no need to start yelling NO NO YOU ARE SO WRONG)

I just feel sorry for them to the point that they cannot please everyone but thats life. They have me as a bioware addict and I love them even when I want to hate them at times lol  

So my whole point was that it does matter and sorry if I got off topic to get there :happy:

Modifié par Tamuril24, 02 août 2011 - 04:32 .

[atheelogos]

Atakuma wrote...

Fenris was the only elf that seemed proportional to me. The other elves were too thin and their heads and ears were too large. If they could balance out the proportions and put some effort into their faces, I think they would look much better.

This. Also make them look like adults instead of prepubescent teens.... I mean really I always feel uncomfortable romancing Merril

Fenris looked amazing btw.

Modifié par atheelogos, 02 août 2011 - 06:42 .

[Sabariel]

atheelogos wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Fenris was the only elf that seemed proportional to me. The other elves were too thin and their heads and ears were too large. If they could balance out the proportions and put some effort into their faces, I think they would look much better.

This. Also make them look like adults instead of prepubescent teens.... I mean really I always feel uncomfortable romancing Merril

Fenris looked amazing btw.

Merely speaking to Merrill made me feel like a creepy bastard

[Huntress]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

I kinda wish bioware just used the LOTR elf design.

Me2 The old style elves were presented as taller than humans and beautiful, this ones are.. creatures with speach.

Modifié par Huntress, 02 août 2011 - 02:13 .

[Tamuril24]

Sabariel wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Fenris was the only elf that seemed proportional to me. The other elves were too thin and their heads and ears were too large. If they could balance out the proportions and put some effort into their faces, I think they would look much better.

This. Also make them look like adults instead of prepubescent teens.... I mean really I always feel uncomfortable romancing Merril

Fenris looked amazing btw.

Merely speaking to Merrill made me feel like a creepy bastard

Agreed, it also didn't help for me that she was so dumb and misguided, it was like speaking to a child let alone looking at one 

[errant_knight]

I have to admit that I find the elves very unattractive. It's mostly the ears, which I find kind of creepy. That's not a bad thing, though. It's not necessary to find every character attractive. I don't find Varic attractive, either, but I liked him. That being said, I'd probably never want to play one. I like to play warriors, and they're just too slight for that to seem believable to me. While I don't like any of the art changes, the look of the elves is far less important to me than the limitations of the character creator, the lack of a true inventory, limited/forced dialogue, and the voiced protagonist.

Modifié par errant_knight, 02 août 2011 - 04:43 .

[atheelogos]

Tamuril24 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Fenris was the only elf that seemed proportional to me. The other elves were too thin and their heads and ears were too large. If they could balance out the proportions and put some effort into their faces, I think they would look much better.

This. Also make them look like adults instead of prepubescent teens.... I mean really I always feel uncomfortable romancing Merril

Fenris looked amazing btw.

Merely speaking to Merrill made me feel like a creepy bastard

Agreed, it also didn't help for me that she was so dumb and misguided, it was like speaking to a child let alone looking at one 

My point exactly. She not only looked like a lil girl she acted like one too. With that said she was really nice.

[Tamuril24]

atheelogos wrote...

Tamuril24 wrote...

Sabariel wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Fenris was the only elf that seemed proportional to me. The other elves were too thin and their heads and ears were too large. If they could balance out the proportions and put some effort into their faces, I think they would look much better.

This. Also make them look like adults instead of prepubescent teens.... I mean really I always feel uncomfortable romancing Merril

Fenris looked amazing btw.

Merely speaking to Merrill made me feel like a creepy bastard

Agreed, it also didn't help for me that she was so dumb and misguided, it was like speaking to a child let alone looking at one 

My point exactly. She not only looked like a lil girl she acted like one too. With that said she was really nice.

I recently played through the dalish origins just to remember what Merril was like back then, she came across as really clever and focused......makes me wonder what the hell happened lol. Yes she is a nice person, if very naive.

[Pedro Costa]

What happened to elves is that they are no longer humans with pointy ears.
Sadly, they made more effort with some elves than others and therefore took their [the elves] art direction down quite a few notches.

[tmp7704]

DarkLord_PT wrote...

What happened to elves is that they are no longer humans with pointy ears.

Yeah, they're humans with donkey ears now.

[Atakuma]

tmp7704 wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

What happened to elves is that they are no longer humans with pointy ears.

Yeah, they're humans with donkey ears now.

Have you ever seen a donkey? Their ears go straight up and are semi tubular, quite a bit different.

[TRSniper4]

tmp7704 wrote...

DarkLord_PT wrote...

What happened to elves is that they are no longer humans with pointy ears.

Yeah, they're humans with donkey ears now.

Yep.  All in the name of anime-ification.  I wonder if they were consciously trying to bring in the JRPG/anime/manga crowd with this game?