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[TEWR]

I would expect elves to have big pointy ears so that the slur "knife-ear" makes sense.

[tmp7704]

Atakuma wrote...

Have you ever seen a donkey? Their ears go straight up and are semi tubular, quite a bit different.

I'm sorry if my sweeping generalization was too sweeping

[Zanallen]

tmp7704 wrote...

I'm sorry if my sweeping generalization was too sweeping

Well, the issue at hand is that donkey ears look absolutely nothing like DA2 elf ears.

[Atakuma]

tmp7704 wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Have you ever seen a donkey? Their ears go straight up and are semi tubular, quite a bit different.

I'm sorry if my sweeping generalization was too sweeping

As the president of the anti donkey defamation league, I tend to take these things very seriously.

[tmp7704]

Atakuma wrote...
As the president of the anti donkey defamation league, I tend to take these things very seriously.

So, if i get it right, you're saying comparing these elf ears to donkeys is offending to the donkeys?

@Zanallen: i was thinking about the pose like this:



granted, they're fuzzy and much more cute. I see now why the anti donkey defamation league would feel upset about the comparison.

[happy_daiz]

 

Thank you, random Google image result.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 02 août 2011 - 08:28 .

[ReallyRue]

I like how the elves' faces look. In any case, they are no thinner than they were in Origins.

[Zanallen]

Still wrong. Donkey ears are much too high up, much like those of the Na'vi that people constantly compare elves to as well. The shape is off, donkey ears being longer and more tubular while elf ears are more leaf shaped. I don't believe that elves can rotate their ears like that either. Though it would be cool if they could. That combined with their large eyes would make them excellent hunters.

[tmp7704]

ReallyRue wrote...

In any case, they are no thinner than they were in Origins.

Uhmm, they honestly are. You need to scale the width of DAO elf model down by 15% in order to spot-on match the shape of the DA2 body. Additionally the DA2 shape is also taller, which makes them thinner further (as that makes the height/width ratio change)

Modifié par tmp7704, 02 août 2011 - 08:36 .

[Zanallen]

But really, at this point you really have to agree to disagree. Some like the new elves, some don't and some don't care. It is impossible to figure out which side has the majority, so in the end it is Bioware's decision on whether or not they will keep this design into the future. Personally, I think the new design is fine, though Bioware definitely needs more like to perfect the models. Maybe adjust the posture a bit.

[Atakuma]

tmp7704 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

In any case, they are no thinner than they were in Origins.

Uhmm, they honestly are. You need to scale the width of DAO elf model down by 15% in order to spot-on match the shape of the DA2 body. Additionally the DA2 shape is also taller, which makes then thinner further (as that makes the height/width ratio change)

The proportions are my big problem with the design. Their heads are too large, their shoulders are too narrow, their necks are too long, and they're too short. If they would just balance out the proportions, then I think that would be a big improvement.

Modifié par Atakuma, 02 août 2011 - 08:40 .

[ReallyRue]

Atakuma wrote...

tmp7704 wrote...

ReallyRue wrote...

In any case, they are no thinner than they were in Origins.

Uhmm, they honestly are. You need to scale the width of DAO elf model down by 15% in order to spot-on match the shape of the DA2 body. Additionally the DA2 shape is also taller, which makes then thinner further (as that makes the height/width ratio change)

The proportions are my big problem with the design. Their heads are too large, their shoulders are too narrow, their necks are too long, and they're too short. If they would just balance out the proportions, then I think that would be a big improvement.

Being taller, with larger heads, etc, makes them seem thinner. I always thought my DAO elf looked painfully thin to begin with, so the elves in DA2 didn't look as though they could possibly be any thinner. Of course, I can't play an elf in DA2, so I'm not staring at the back of one for hours, noticing the figure/details as much.

[LostInReverie19]

I like the look of the DA2 elves. It's much more unique. They actually look like a different race now. The only thing that bothers me is their noses, how they all have the same flat bridge thing going on. I like the big eyes though. The thinness took some getting used to, but I never noticed anything off about the proportions..

[Spooky81]

Elves in DA2 look like they ought to be on an assembly line building things for Santa.

[0x30A88]

I have little problems with the elves' look inheretly. However, changing and already established design seems unconsistant. But, I'll accept it at least if they shorten the neck and put it back into place (see merril's romance pic) and perhaps scaled down the head a slight bit. These are again changes, but hell, it is still less than what they've already been through.

[darkrose]

The DA2 elves, to me, fall squarely in the uncanny valley. This is a problem, because much is made of how elves are supposed to be so attractive to humans, yet the female elves in particular look like anorexic children with weirdly large breasts. The only elf I find at all attractive is Fenris, who is one of the least-elven-looking elves in the game: his features aren't as exaggerated as most others; he looks like he has an actual nose, and while his ears stick out, they don't make me think of Dobby. His skin is a strange color, but it's not grey or dead-white. (And Gideon Emery's voice acting makes up for a lot.)

I actually liked the short, pointy-eared human look. It fit with the idea that the discrimination against elves was based on superficial physical differences, and was therefore utterly ridiculous because elves are "just like us". The DA2 elves look like a different species entirely, which shifts the ground of the argument, because they're demonstrably *not* "just like us".

Also, I think the barefoot thing is ridiculous, and was clearly decided on by people who rarely go barefoot.