I am not using that as proof, I am using that as pointers that TIM cannot be tursted.
Maybe he was behind Akuze or maybe he was not (I would not be shocked that he was behind it).
Will you kill or spare the Illusive Man?
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#277
Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:43
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Understanding the extent of the Reaper threat and wanting to find keep the cache of Collector technology and secrets that could help defeat the Reapers makes him untrustworthy?darkness reborn wrote...
I am not using that as proof, I am using that as pointers that TIM cannot be trusted.
Well maybe you should wait until you know whether he was or was not directly involved with Akuze instead of just murdering people willy nilly.Maybe he was behind Akuze or maybe he was not (I would not be shocked that he was behind it).
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:51
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GodWood wrote...
Understanding the extent of the Reaper threat and wanting to find keep the cache of Collector technology and secrets that could help defeat the Reapers makes him untrustworthy?darkness reborn wrote...
I am not using that as proof, I am using that as pointers that TIM cannot be trusted.
How will he then use that tech after the Reaper have been beaten then?
Hes only goal is to make humans the domanet race in the galaxy.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:56
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There wont be any humans left if the Reapers are not stopped. It's difficult to justify to someone that you didn't save their family from a violent criminal b/c you were afraid of being sued.darkness reborn wrote...
How will he then use that tech after the Reaper have been beaten then?
Hes only goal is to make humans the domanet race in the galaxy.
And what's wrong with wanting human dominance, in and of itself?
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 08:59
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What about eveyone one else in the galaxy?SandTrout wrote...
There wont be any humans left if the Reapers are not stopped. It's difficult to justify to someone that you didn't save their family from a violent criminal b/c you were afraid of being sued.darkness reborn wrote...
How will he then use that tech after the Reaper have been beaten then?
Hes only goal is to make humans the domanet race in the galaxy.
And what's wrong with wanting human dominance, in and of itself?
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:00
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I would let Toombs, Jack and Aria decide.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:12
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SandTrout wrote...
There wont be any humans left if the Reapers are not stopped. It's difficult to justify to someone that you didn't save their family from a violent criminal b/c you were afraid of being sued.darkness reborn wrote...
How will he then use that tech after the Reaper have been beaten then?
Hes only goal is to make humans the domanet race in the galaxy.
And what's wrong with wanting human dominance, in and of itself?
History in itself proves we suck at that....I would prefer equal footing thanks....What I would REALLY like to see is all species with a place on the Council.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:12
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I would let Toombs, Jack and Aria decide.
Excellent call...
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:13
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How will the other races use the Reaper tech that they get post Reapers?darkness reborn wrote...
How will he then use that tech after the Reaper have been beaten then?GodWood wrote...
Understanding the extent of the Reaper threat and wanting to find keep the cache of Collector technology and secrets that could help defeat the Reapers makes him untrustworthy?darkness reborn wrote...
I am not using that as proof, I am using that as pointers that TIM cannot be trusted.
No matter what the galaxy is going to get loads of Reaper tech if the Reapers are defeated so we might as well use what we're given so we can defeat the Reapers.
Untrue.Hes only goal is to make humans the domanet race in the galaxy.
He also wishes to proserve, advance and protect humanity.
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Why? What did he do to deserve that?I would let Toombs, Jack and Aria decide.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:19
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What about them? I'm a pretty thorough paragon, and my personal canon destroys the CB, but I disagree with your motivations to do so and your excuse to justify killing TIM.darkness reborn wrote...
What about eveyone one else in the galaxy?
Frankly, other species only matter to me in how they can help humanity advance. Every other species, in a general sense, has a similar perspective. The Salarians and Asari did not create the council b/c they wanted to help the other, they made it because it was more beneficial than the likely conflicts that would arise as they competed for territory and resources. It is a means to ensure their continued dominance.
They let the Turians and Humans onto the council b/c both of these species would simply take power by force if they were not allowed into a co-equal situation. Still, they all still compete for power, regardless of weather it is economic, political, or military, but they enhance all of their own interests by abiding a the Citadel Accords in order to avoid open war, which would be mutally destructive. They only help others so much as it helps themselves, either now or in the future by maintaining the credibility of their position and authority.
Would you mind citing an example of how we 'suck at that', or how the Council's dominance is better? [sarcasm]I'm sure that the Quarians are perfectly content with the Council's management of galactic affairs, as well as the Krogan. and the Rachni[/sarcasm]. Meanwhile, humanity has managed to unify under the Systems Alliance without any outside influence.Golden Owl wrote...
History in itself proves we suck at that....I would prefer equal footing thanks....What I would REALLY like to see is all species with a place on the Council.
Your (assumed) premise that we should work for the benefit of everyone except ourselves is a deeply flawed philosophy that has never worked in history, and does not reflect the reality of the political situation in the ME universe. Everyone is out for themselves, even if they get the most by cooperation rather than intimidation and force.
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GodWood wrote...
How will the other races use the Reaper tech that they get post Reapers?darkness reborn wrote...
How will he then use that tech after the Reaper have been beaten then?GodWood wrote...
Understanding the extent of the Reaper threat and wanting to find keep the cache of Collector technology and secrets that could help defeat the Reapers makes him untrustworthy?darkness reborn wrote...
I am not using that as proof, I am using that as pointers that TIM cannot be trusted.
No matter what the galaxy is going to get loads of Reaper tech if the Reapers are defeated so we might as well use what we're given so we can defeat the Reapers.Untrue.Hes only goal is to make humans the domanet race in the galaxy.
He also wishes to proserve, advance and protect humanity.
So Miranda says but when on the Collector Base even she turns her back on him.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:23
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darkness reborn wrote...
What about eveyone one else in the galaxy?SandTrout wrote...
There wont be any humans left if the Reapers are not stopped. It's difficult to justify to someone that you didn't save their family from a violent criminal b/c you were afraid of being sued.darkness reborn wrote...
How will he then use that tech after the Reaper have been beaten then?
Hes only goal is to make humans the domanet race in the galaxy.
And what's wrong with wanting human dominance, in and of itself?
They will be enslaved, oppressed or just killed.
Isn't that great?
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:24
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What about them? I'm a pretty thorough paragon, and my personal canon destroys the CB, but I disagree with your motivations to do so and your excuse to justify killing TIM.darkness reborn wrote...
What about eveyone one else in the galaxy?
Frankly, other species only matter to me in how they can help humanity advance. Every other species, in a general sense, has a similar perspective. The Salarians and Asari did not create the council b/c they wanted to help the other, they made it because it was more beneficial than the likely conflicts that would arise as they competed for territory and resources. It is a means to ensure their continued dominance.
They let the Turians and Humans onto the council b/c both of these species would simply take power by force if they were not allowed into a co-equal situation. Still, they all still compete for power, regardless of weather it is economic, political, or military, but they enhance all of their own interests by abiding a the Citadel Accords in order to avoid open war, which would be mutally destructive. They only help others so much as it helps themselves, either now or in the future by maintaining the credibility of their position and authority.Would you mind citing an example of how we 'suck at that', or how the Council's dominance is better? [sarcasm]I'm sure that the Quarians are perfectly content with the Council's management of galactic affairs, as well as the Krogan. and the Rachni[/sarcasm]. Meanwhile, humanity has managed to unify under the Systems Alliance without any outside influence.Golden Owl wrote...
History in itself proves we suck at that....I would prefer equal footing thanks....What I would REALLY like to see is all species with a place on the Council.
Your (assumed) premise that we should work for the benefit of everyone except ourselves is a deeply flawed philosophy that has never worked in history, and does not reflect the reality of the political situation in the ME universe. Everyone is out for themselves, even if they get the most by cooperation rather than intimidation and force.
For someone whos thorough paragon, you have a renagade way of seeing things.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:25
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Which was completely out-of-characterdarkness reborn wrote...
So Miranda says but when on the Collector Base even she turns her back on him.
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Who said anything about doing that?They will be enslaved, oppressed or just killed.
Isn't that great?
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:27
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what makes you think that?Roxy12 wrote...
They will be enslaved, oppressed or just killed.
Isn't that great?
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:30
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wiggles89 wrote...
Who said anything about doing that?They will be enslaved, oppressed or just killed.
Isn't that great?
Mass Effect 2, Overlord DLC, Shadow Broker files
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:31
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I would let Toombs, Jack and Aria decide.
I'd rather let people unbiased decide.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:32
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GodWood wrote...
Which was completely out-of-characterdarkness reborn wrote...
So Miranda says but when on the Collector Base even she turns her back on him.
Not only was it out of character, I'm surprised she didn't slap herself in the face with those breasts of hers with that speedy heel-face-turn of hers.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:35
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More specific evidence plzRoxy12 wrote...
wiggles89 wrote...
Who said anything about doing that?They will be enslaved, oppressed or just killed.
Isn't that great?
Mass Effect 2, Overlord DLC, Shadow Broker files
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:35
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And because of that out of character moment with Miranda we don't have a single female squadmate that endorses keeping the Collector base. Now that's bull****.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:37
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If you feel T.I.M. deserves to die, that's your own perrogative. But if you're trying to prove it's the better option, you should definitely cite some really good evidence. The point of the matter is that we don't have all the facts yet. You can't make a judgment like this so easily.
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Evey time I take her with Shepard to fight that human-Reaper I think that every time.GodWood wrote...
Which was completely out-of-characterdarkness reborn wrote...
So Miranda says but when on the Collector Base even she turns her back on him.
When I first played I thought that she would betray Shepard if he tried to blow up the base.
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Posté 29 juillet 2011 - 09:52
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darkness reborn wrote...
Evey time I take her with Shepard to fight that human-Reaper I think that every time.GodWood wrote...
Which was completely out-of-characterdarkness reborn wrote...
So Miranda says but when on the Collector Base even she turns her back on him.
When I first played I thought that she would betray Shepard if he tried to blow up the base.
I don't think she was out of character if she is loyal...and if you use her on Pragia/the collector ship.
