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[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Has it crossed anyone's mind to take him alive and put him on trial and such? You know, lawful justice.

Sure, what with most of the galaxy at war and people scrambling for their lives, and the fact that he has billions of credits and can buy the best defence possible. Not to mention that he's smart and most of the s--t he's pulled could never be pulled.

If the galaxy weren't going to pieces, I'd vote for a legal trial. As it stands, I'm going for expediency. But my Shepard has never been a saint or a paragon.

[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Has it crossed anyone's mind to take him alive and put him on trial and such? You know, lawful justice.

In regards to TIM...no, too dangerous....he would probably have a lot of connections inside the justice sytem too, a trial would probably just end up a farce and him walking off scot free.

[HogarthHughes 3]

If there is proof that he isn't indoctrinated, then my Shepard would be willing to work with him again.  Otherwise probably not, can't really tell without a little more context though.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Sure, what with most of the galaxy at war and people scrambling for their lives, and the fact that he has billions of credits and can buy the best defence possible. Not to mention that he's smart and most of the s--t he's pulled could never be pulled.

Considering the crimes he is accused of I'm sure the Alliance and Council could freeze all of his assets.

Assuming they know where they all are. I may hate TIM, but he's a pretty sharp dude and you don't keep all your money in one place in case you do get caught.

[Golden Owl]

Sparda Stonerule wrote...

I guess I'll be one of the few who wouldn't immediately kill him. I don't know why he does what he does and I want to understand. I know he's been the cause of many awful things, but I don't know. It seems wrong to just kill him without at least talking to him.

I understand what your saying and would be curious to know myself...I just him as too slippery to chance the extra time his then given.

[Markinator_123]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Has it crossed anyone's mind to take him alive and put him on trial and such? You know, lawful justice.

I'm a spectre and Space Punisher! I don't do due process. I'm the judge, jury, and executioner. The Illusive Man will be terminated on the spot.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

In regards to TIM...no, too dangerous....he would probably have a lot of connections inside the justice sytem too, a trial would probably just end up a farce and him walking off scot free.

If the justice system can't guarantee an outcome I want then it should be circumvented.

That about right?

If the galaxy is on the brink of destruction and we personally already know that TIM is up to no good, and I have intragalactic law on my side to execute whomever I want, then I'm not circumventing anything. I'm doing my job.

[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

In regards to TIM...no, too dangerous....he would probably have a lot of connections inside the justice sytem too, a trial would probably just end up a farce and him walking off scot free.

If the justice system can't guarantee an outcome I want then it should be circumvented.

That about right?

Considering how often the system fails today...the simple answer in TIM's case...'Yes'.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Assuming they know where they all are. I may hate TIM, but he's a pretty sharp dude and you don't keep all your money in one place in case you do get caught.

Don't make it a civil trial. Try him under a military tribunal. Money won't help him.

That puts the assumption that he can be tried by the Alliance and their military, period. And given that he has friends in high places, I would trust the legal system to do its job (because we know, in-universe, that TIM has pulled all sorts of s--t) about as much as I trust the Alliance to not be a bunch of derptards, and I don't trust the Alliance, period. I can barely tolerate the Council, but they, at least, give me the ability to remove problems on the spot.

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Sure, what with most of the galaxy at war and people scrambling for their lives, and the fact that he has billions of credits and can buy the best defence possible. Not to mention that he's smart and most of the s--t he's pulled could never be pulled.

Considering the crimes he is accused of I'm sure the Alliance and Council could freeze all of his assets.

Ceberus has many front companies and I doubt very much that neither the Alliance nor the Council know which companies are fronts for Cerberus.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

If the galaxy is on the brink of destruction and we personally already know that TIM is up to no good, and I have intragalactic law on my side to execute whomever I want, then I'm not circumventing anything. I'm doing my job.

There is the answer I was waiting for. "Screw the law, I can do whatever I want." That's all the justification a lot of you need. At least you gave other reasons concerning the state of the galaxy, so I respect that at least.

Are you not getting it? I'm not saying 'screw the law'. I'm saying I have the legal authority to carry out his execution on the spot. It is perfectly legal, in the same manner that it's okay for asari justicars to punish evildoers without taking them to court. There is no legal wrangling or law-breaking involved.

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Considering how often the system fails today...the simple answer in TIM's case...'Yes'.

Well then, why the dislike of TIM? He's doing the same thing you are. The legal system as it is can't guarantee an outcome he desires, so he works oustide of it. Any criminal does.

One word: Spectre.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

That puts the assumption that he can be tried by the Alliance and their military, period.

Seeing as he is responsible for the deaths of Alliance personnel I'm absolutely certain he can.

You'll need to cite the fact behind your assertion, then, because if TIM isn't a member of the Alliance- if he can be considered, say, a citizen of the Terminus systems and therefore outside Alliance jurisdiction- then you're standing on very shaky ground. It would be like saying that asari law enforcement could go to Omega and arrest any asari they saw, even though Omega isn't in asari or Citadel space.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

One word: Spectre.

One word: thug.

One word: Legality.


You might not like what the spectres are, or what they stand for. But legally, spectres are authorised to use lethal force against anyone. So no, it's not just 'thug'. 

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Ceberus has many front companies and I doubt very much that neither the Alliance nor the Council know which companies are fronts for Cerberus.

If he tries to access any of that money you'll know and can stop him by, again, freezing his assets.

Oh please, there are many ways to access that money without anyone knowing TIM is doing it and how many people actually know his real name?  

I swear, you are not thinking right now.