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[Dave of Canada]

If "herpaderp I'm indoctrinated": Kill, no point in keeping him alive.
If there's more to it: Spare. Either out of future use, respect or wanting to know why he's helping the Reapers.

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

One word: Spectre.

One word: thug.

No, Spectre are under Council law.  They are not thugs.  Spectres can kill anyone on sight if the need arises and without any issues.  Even Vasir says Spectres will kill innoncents if necassary.  Shepard didn't agree, but it's fact.  Saren did it and nothing happened to him. 

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Oh please, there are many ways to access that money without anyone knowing TIM is doing it and how many people actually know his real name?  

I swear, you are not thinking right now.

He's in your custody, remember? If anyone walks up and tries to give him money you say "no". 

LOL.  You missed the point.  Anyway, I'm done trying to reason with you, because you refuse to see any.  

[Kaiser Shepard]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

In regards to TIM...no, too dangerous....he would probably have a lot of connections inside the justice sytem too, a trial would probably just end up a farce and him walking off scot free.

If the justice system can't guarantee an outcome I want then it should be circumvented.

That about right?

Of course.

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[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Are you not getting it? I'm not saying 'screw the law'. I'm saying I have the legal authority to carry out his execution on the spot. It is perfectly legal,

I was trying to start a moral debate, not a legal one.

And what would be immoral about killing the person responsible for dozens, if not hundreds (thousands? I don't recall how high the numbers go) of civilians and military personnel, unethical medical procedures performed including, but not limited to military personnel and children, torture, experimenting on other sentient beings like the rachni, etc?

Like I said, if it were peacetime, I'd be cool with a trial. It's not. The world is falling to pieces and sometimes, a round between the eyes is the solution that will end a problem. TIM is sending out his operatives to block our battle to save the galaxy. He placed himself and his pawns on the field of battle, and he will deal with the repercussions.

[darklordpocky-san]

I'll let him live

but I'm taking his eyes!

[Markinator_123]

Valentia X wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

Are you not getting it? I'm not saying 'screw the law'. I'm saying I have the legal authority to carry out his execution on the spot. It is perfectly legal,

I was trying to start a moral debate, not a legal one.

And what would be immoral about killing the person responsible for dozens, if not hundreds (thousands? I don't recall how high the numbers go) of civilians and military personnel, unethical medical procedures performed including, but not limited to military personnel and children, torture, experimenting on other sentient beings like the rachni, etc?

Like I said, if it were peacetime, I'd be cool with a trial. It's not. The world is falling to pieces and sometimes, a round between the eyes is the solution that will end a problem. TIM is sending out his operatives to block our battle to save the galaxy. He placed himself and his pawns on the field of battle, and he will deal with the repercussions.

I know we don't have time for a trial in the middle of a galactic war especially for a scumbag like the Illusive man.

[Ausstig]

I would pledge my allegiance to him. I want TIM as leader of humanity. Then after the war we can go turin hunting in the Thessia strip mines. 

Also he saved my life and would be useful against the reapers.

but my pus- I mean par shep would kill him, cause it's all about paying evil unto evil

Modifié par Ausstig, 28 juillet 2011 - 02:46 .

[Golden Owl]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

Considering how often the system fails today...the simple answer in TIM's case...'Yes'.

Well then, why the dislike of TIM? He's doing the same thing you are. The legal system as it is can't guarantee an outcome he desires, so he works oustide of it. Any criminal does.

Reason for doing so....Shep is neutralizing a serious threat, that's a part of Shep's job description.....TIM has the means at his disposal to continue to constitute a serious threat.

As you mentioned above....possibly a Military Court could be an alternative answer...I don't know...could he even be tried in a Military Court?...But he does have too much power in the civil sector to allow for a fair and just trial.

And, well just sometimes Saphra...someones just gotta make the call...for all my banter about protecting innocents, not wanting to be another's judge...what gives me the right, etc...I guess a line has to eventually be drawn somewhere and a tough call made.

I know it's probably not the answer you were looking for and it's full of holes, I know...but when it comes to TIM , there's too much I can say that will only lead to arguments and I would rather not right now.

[Raiil]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

And what would be immoral about killing the person responsible for dozens, if not hundreds (thousands? I don't recall how high the numbers go) of civilians and military personnel, unethical medical procedures performed including, but not limited to military personnel and children, torture, experimenting on other sentient beings like the rachni, etc?

Personally I've got nothing against killing bad people, justice system or no justice system. However some of you hold yourselves to a higher standard and judge TIM so harshly because he does not. My questions are aimed at them. You gave some practical reasons for why you'd do it, so that's fine.

Though someone who does believe in the rule of law would argue that murdering a murderer is still murder.

Ah, okay. Well, luckily, I'm a renegon who believes firmly in the power of chaotic good, so my justification works, i guess. 

[xXljoshlXx]

Ausstig wrote...

I would pledge my allegiance to him. I want TIM as leader of humanity. Then after the war we can go turin hunting in the Thessia strip mines. 

Also he saved my life and would be useful against the reapers.

but my pus- I mean par shep would kill him, cause it's all about paying evil unto evil

Renegade: "Please be our leador i love you"

Paragon:-Kills him-
I think you got them mixed up 

Modifié par xXljoshlXx, 28 juillet 2011 - 02:53 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

TIM is an unlawful combatant,therefore not subject to due process,and as a Spectre Shepard is perfectly within his rights to execute TIM on sight...but paragon shep wouldn't.

[Markinator_123]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

TIM is an unlawful combatant,therefore not subject to due process,and as a Spectre Shepard is perfectly within his rights to execute TIM on sight...but paragon shep wouldn't.

I'm glad my Shepard is no saint. The Illusive Man dies by my hand.

Modifié par Markinator_123, 28 juillet 2011 - 02:55 .

[Boiny Bunny]

I guess it depends whether or not I think he can be redeemed. If he is completely indoctrinated and beyond helping, I would probably kill him, but if he could provide some advantage in the fight against the Reapers, even just information, I would keep him alive.

[Golden Owl]

Saphra: What makes your reasons better than his? He believes he is neutralizing threats too.

Owl: That's the argument I don't want to get into....thats semantics....I believe he believes he is neutralizing threats also, I believe he has his own reasons and see's himself as a benefit to mankind...that I agree with....but here I will stop.

Saphra: From the sound of it you don't think what you are doing is moral, just necessary. I respect that if that's the case.

Owl: Nail on the head....you put it better than me.

[Seboist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

No, Spectre are under Council law.

Which makes them glorified thugs. They exist to violate the law and the civil rights of the innocent and the guilty. They're thugs.

It's pretty amusing to see the bleeding hearts lash out against TIM's organization like they have the moral high ground while their Shepards work for a brutal secret police force (which puts real life ones like the gestapo and stasi to shame) of an alien racial caste good ol' boys club like the council.

Hypocrites the whole lot of them!

[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

If "herpaderp I'm indoctrinated": Kill, no point in keeping him alive.
If there's more to it: Spare. Either out of future use, respect or wanting to know why he's helping the Reapers.

If that happens the game becomes non-canon right then and there for me.

[JamieCOTC]

Based only on the present information available, (and I have several Shepards), every one of them would kill him, even my renegade. My canon Shepard will kill him no matter what (well almost no matter what). The others might give him a chance depending on circumstances.

[Canned Bullets]

It depends on the circumstances, he'll most likely be indoctrinated so I'll probably have to kill him.

[Homebound]

i play paragade. so it depends on how sincere his apology is.

[Travie]

Romance him, make crazy-blue-eyed babies with him.





Then kill him.