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[_Sylar_]

Spare him?No WAY!So while I'm busy saving the universe of those squid like things,he thought he wants my head...maybe in another universe pal...you're dead!!!

And that's the line I want to see while I put the gun into his head

[Sparda Stonerule]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Valentia X wrote...

And what would be immoral about killing the person responsible for dozens, if not hundreds (thousands? I don't recall how high the numbers go) of civilians and military personnel, unethical medical procedures performed including, but not limited to military personnel and children, torture, experimenting on other sentient beings like the rachni, etc?

Personally I've got nothing against killing bad people, justice system or no justice system. However some of you hold yourselves to a higher standard and judge TIM so harshly because he does not. My questions are aimed at them. You gave some practical reasons for why you'd do it, so that's fine.

Though someone who does believe in the rule of law would argue that murdering a murderer is still murder.

Saphra I almost never agree with you. But in this subject I agree with you. To me the situation is not black and white. When people start saying things like "He's a murderer so I will just murder him and be done with it." things start down a slippery slope.

Shepard is also a murderer. Some people have every reason to believe he is evil for what he did to the Bahak system. While he did save many more lives if only for a short while he still ended the lives of 305,000 Batarians himself. No matter what the justification is Shepard did it by his own hand. Should Shepard be executed for that? In my personal opinion no. But he still murdered them.

This is not directly related to the TIM discussion. I'm just trying to say unless you have all the information things are not black and white, and things get even harder the more you know because you begin to understand their pathos. 

[Massadonious1]

Depends on how it all plays out, I suppose. If his motivations are his own, then it might make it a little more complicated. If there is any hint of indoctrination, then he's just another Saren and more than likely just as irredeemable.

[Barquiel]

I would arrest him if possible.

If he resists arrest and is killed...my Shep won't lose sleep over it.

[wilhelm Screamer]

Turn him over to the authorities.

[Iakus]

As thanks for bringing him back, my Shepard will give him exactly one chance to come along peacefully.

Otherwise TIM gets mushed up.

[Tonymac]

idoless24 wrote...

Ohh I love these threads because I get to express my hatred for TIM. I would most certainly kill him even though my Shep is so paragon it's ridiculous. He's too dangerous to let live. He is responsible and allowed those experiments with the Thresher Maw, the Rachni Queen, and what those scientists did to Jack whether he admits it or not.

He sits there smug in his little lair, ordering deaths and pulling the strings of  fate for so many humans - safe and protected; hidden and elusive.

I would turn him into dogmeat. and feed him to the varren.

[Uzrbital]

Tonymac wrote...

idoless24 wrote...

Ohh I love these threads because I get to express my hatred for TIM. I would most certainly kill him even though my Shep is so paragon it's ridiculous. He's too dangerous to let live. He is responsible and allowed those experiments with the Thresher Maw, the Rachni Queen, and what those scientists did to Jack whether he admits it or not.

He sits there smug in his little lair, ordering deaths and pulling the strings of  fate for so many humans - safe and protected; hidden and elusive.

I would turn him into dogmeat. and feed him to the varren.

He's dancing at Omega. You can find him there.

[efrgfhnm_]

Well we don't know the full story, it depends on the circumstances really.. If he's indoctrinated obviously, but if he does have a reasonable (for him) reason for what he's done then I may let him live. If his reason is some bull**** about how he thinks becoming a Reaper is the best thing for humanity though there better be a renagage interrupt or something haha

[Uzrbital]

efrgfhnm wrote...

Well we don't know the full story, it depends on the circumstances really.. If he's indoctrinated obviously, but if he does have a reasonable (for him) reason for what he's done then I may let him live. If his reason is some bull**** about how he thinks becoming a Reaper is the best thing for humanity though there better be a renagage interrupt or something haha

His eyes are glowing! It's obvious that he's a reaper!

[efrgfhnm_]

Uzrbital wrote...

efrgfhnm wrote...

Well we don't know the full story, it depends on the circumstances really.. If he's indoctrinated obviously, but if he does have a reasonable (for him) reason for what he's done then I may let him live. If his reason is some bull**** about how he thinks becoming a Reaper is the best thing for humanity though there better be a renagage interrupt or something haha

His eyes are glowing! It's obvious that he's a reaper!

I did mean as in believing all humans should be ground into paste to become one big reaper, or maybe several.
If you were serious, then based on the comics and novels, it does seem to be indicating that he has been indoctrinated decades ago, but then there would need to be a lot of evidence to show how his actions were all benifiting the Reaper's in some way, which at the moment just doesn't seem to make sense

[Uzrbital]

I don't think he's indoctrinated, because it doesn't last for ever, according to the codex.

[joriandrake]

Arppis wrote...

What is the best option given the sittulation. I have to know all the facts.

this, despite quitting Cerberus with all my characters, to take his life needs a lot of consideration, not just how much he deserves to die but how much it may be worth the effort to keep him alive and locked up

[b1n0ry]

Simple: kill him, revive him using Reaper tech, make him my pet, and then become the next Illusive Man.

[Markinator_123]

Not only does the Illusive Man deserve to die but he needs to die painfully.

[Reaperpoo]

Don't, kill, Daddy

[JShepard1992]

I would kill him to put him out of his misery because he is some what indoctrinated from the Reapers also he did unforgivable things that won't go unanswered in my book

[CrimsonQueen]

I'd kill him, but i dout that will be the end of the 'Three' headed Dog...

[therussianviking]

I'm glad this is such a big issue

[DJRackham]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Spare him as long as he isn't indoctrinated.

 (SPOILERS AHEAD!!!) 



For all who are stating you would spare The Smoking Illusive Man **IF** he hasn't been indoctrinated, fare warning, it's canon. TIM has been (at least partially) indoctrinated. It''s revealed in the first issue of Mass  Effect Evolution how this happened. I know... Metagaming. This is true. It is metagaming, but if you played Mass Effect 1, it can actually be deduced (or at least surmised) that TIM had been indoctrinated. All you have to do is look at his eyes. Saren's eyes were very similar. Many of the cut scenes featuring TIM focus on those eyes, as if the Devs were attempting to draw your attention to the fact that something wasn't quite kosher.

[Ieldra]

My answer:
I don't know. I hope that in some playthroughs, there is sufficient reason to remove him from the picture somehow (not necessarily by killing him), because I want Miranda to take over what remains of Cerberus. But I won't kill him for this reason alone.

@DJRackham:
How, then, did he manage to not become a Husk in 30 years? Possibly there is some Reaper tech in him, but I don't think he's indoctrinated. That's all but confirmed by Mac Walters' interview, btw..

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .

[Arijharn]

I'll spare him.

a) Metagaming reason: He's a delicious character.
In game reason A: My shep believes in the concept of Cerberus, and that TIM is pretty much the best man qualified for the job.
c) In game reason B: My shep believes in the concept of Cerberus, and that TIM is pretty much the best man qualified for the job, but he better pull his freakin finger out and start doing things that doesn't draw so much heat.

[Seboist]

Arijharn wrote...

I'll spare him.

a) Metagaming reason: He's a delicious character.
In game reason A: My shep believes in the concept of Cerberus, and that TIM is pretty much the best man qualified for the job.
c) In game reason B: My shep believes in the concept of Cerberus, and that TIM is pretty much the best man qualified for the job, but he better pull his freakin finger out and start doing things that doesn't draw so much heat.

That's what will happen for my pro-Cerberus pseudo-canon Shep.

I have no idea what I'll do with my main canon Shep however.