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[grregg]

Rockworm503 wrote...

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But I can't help but feel a little sad that this question even needs to be asked.

I am somewhat puzzled by the implicit assertion that games are a product that is fundamentally different from any other product out there and should not be sold with any kind of options.

When you look at pretty much any product on the market, they all come with options. You want an iPad? 3G or WiFi? 16GB or 64GB? Do you want a cover? You go to movies, 3D or not? Buy a movie? DVD or BluRay? Theatrical or extended edition? A book perhaps? Hardcover or paperback? Don't even get me started on cars, these come with an option list a mile long. Heck, go to Chipotle and they'll try to sell you guacamole for extra $$.

So why exactly are games different? Except of course that you want your games with all the trimmings for the price of a basic item.

[Babli]

I despise all DLCs and dont buy them. I am actually proud of myself that I didnt buy any DLC ever.

But thats just me, gamer who remembers the days when games were sold complete at day one.

Good times.

[nikki191]

i draw the line at horse armour....

honestly before people start complaining about biowares dlc and its policy have a look at the sims 3 and the dlc store for it.. 20 cents for a chair, 50 cents for a couch.. all those micro transactions add up to major $$$$

[Rockworm503]

grregg wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

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But I can't help but feel a little sad that this question even needs to be asked.

I am somewhat puzzled by the implicit assertion that games are a product that is fundamentally different from any other product out there and should not be sold with any kind of options.

When you look at pretty much any product on the market, they all come with options. You want an iPad? 3G or WiFi? 16GB or 64GB? Do you want a cover? You go to movies, 3D or not? Buy a movie? DVD or BluRay? Theatrical or extended edition? A book perhaps? Hardcover or paperback? Don't even get me started on cars, these come with an option list a mile long. Heck, go to Chipotle and they'll try to sell you guacamole for extra $$.

So why exactly are games different? Except of course that you want your games with all the trimmings for the price of a basic item.

why stop there?
Why not cut the Ipad in half and charge us extra for the other half?
want 3G buy 60 dollars for each G.
Its more like taking part of the movie off the disc and making you pay and download the ending.
These analogies simply don't work because the option is do you want the full package or not?  there is no middle ground.

[grregg]

Rockworm503 wrote...

grregg wrote...

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I am somewhat puzzled by the implicit assertion that games are a product that is fundamentally different from any other product out there and should not be sold with any kind of options.

When you look at pretty much any product on the market, they all come with options. You want an iPad? 3G or WiFi? 16GB or 64GB? Do you want a cover? You go to movies, 3D or not? Buy a movie? DVD or BluRay? Theatrical or extended edition? A book perhaps? Hardcover or paperback? Don't even get me started on cars, these come with an option list a mile long. Heck, go to Chipotle and they'll try to sell you guacamole for extra $$.

So why exactly are games different? Except of course that you want your games with all the trimmings for the price of a basic item.

why stop there?
Why not cut the Ipad in half and charge us extra for the other half?
want 3G buy 60 dollars for each G.
Its more like taking part of the movie off the disc and making you pay and download the ending.
These analogies simply don't work because the option is do you want the full package or not?  there is no middle ground.

I have to say that I am still puzzled. I imagine that if you cut an iPad in half, then it would not work. Selling an unusable product is generally a bad idea. Good luck if you want to try it.

All games that I ever played that come with DLC work fine without it. Take DA2 for example, you can play it vanilla or you can buy Sebastian DLC. Either way it works. Do you know of a game that you have to pay extra to complete it? Outside of some episodic content games but that's another story.

Again, I don't see why games would be special here. I bought extended edition LotR DVD set and it includes over 2 hours of extra footage over the theatrical edition. Why can't BioWare sell "extended edition" DA2 with an extra character?

So again, why is it alright to offer options for iPads, Toyotas, LotR movies and, I don't know, airline tickets, but not for games? Explain please.

[Rockworm503]

I don't know man I don't have the answers thats why I made this thread. But I think its unfair to put content important to the story in the same context as behind the scenes extras on a DVD. Just like its probably unfair of me to compare it to cutting an Ipad in half. there's a difference here that doesn't work with other products because games are not like other products. If we keep with your argument why should the burger I pay for not have options? We already pay extra for frys so why not charge for ketchup? You want lettuce and onions on that? Thats another dollar. Why should condiments be any different than DVD extras?

[Bryy_Miller]

Rockworm503 wrote...
 Just like its probably unfair of me to compare it to cutting an Ipad in half.

It's unfair to come up with wild strawmen arguments, yes. It's unfair to come up with arguments that you know are exaggerated.

[Mike_Neel]

I personally don't buy power/guns/armor/appearance packs, and the similar.

If it only offers new aesthetics and nothing substantial to the core game then I skip it. I don't get all the hate companies get for doing this though. They are entirely optional and they don't conflict with the total experience as a whole.

That said I wish the exiled prince was a DLC for all new copies, not just signature versions. I get wanting to combat used sells with free with new game DLC, but the free with preorder only leaves a bad taste. I never preorder or firstday buy. I always wait to see if the game lands feet first or crashes.

[lobi]

Are there Hi-res textures for the DA2 armour & weps DLC yet?

[Rockworm503]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...
 Just like its probably unfair of me to compare it to cutting an Ipad in half.

It's unfair to come up with wild strawmen arguments, yes. It's unfair to come up with arguments that you know are exaggerated.

*sigh I did exactly what I wanted to avoid.  I'm just gonna leave this thread it goes better when I don't respond.

[Homebound]

speak with your wallets.

[LTD]

Stanley Woo wrote...

. In fact, serialized games, microtransactions, and DLC have worked out rather well for gamers.

 I'm under the impression that vast majority of gamers and critics alike tend to find vast majority of DLC pretty disappointing. It is almost as if this is exceptionally common among DLC released for games that were initially well loved by the very same gamers and critics. Starting from Bethesda's famed horse armor, DLC isn't exactly hailed as a fairytale unraveling imo:p Maybe it has much to do with genres, some are more DLC friendly than others.

Modifié par LTD, 10 août 2011 - 06:41 .

[I Ryukage I]

If your not selling half a game, I don't mind DLC. For example, I could drop over 50 hours into say Oblivion, or Fallout: New Vegas without DLC. With Old World Blues alone, thats a whole 10+ extra hours of exploring/leveling/questing. I would call that a worthy DLC... alternate appearance packs and the like, I dislike things like that, especially so in fighting games such as SFIV, they made the game much more casual than the previous, have little extra content if that at all, and charge from what I could remember, a hefty price for its DLC, all to have a brand new costume.

In the end though, its all up to the consumer. If you just like buying every DLC that comes out then by all means go ahead I guess... But when games like Brink or Crackdown 2 come out with seemingly low content, and then talks of DLC after its initial release, its disheartening.