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[TheButterflyEffect]

Honestly ugh like if he realizes it was a colossal [Diplodocus] moron move dumping the only woman who would EVER like his imbecilic behaviour, why the hell did he do it in the first place? As if this kid wasn't enough of a [duck-billed platypus] before, why the hell did the shine of the crown have to microwave the pea sized amount of toothpase-consistency brains he actually had.

"I am so sorry I dumped you for no intelligent justifiable reasonnnn!!!!!" ...yeah isn't it a bit late to be saying that when you're standing over her stiff lifeless corpse, [Horatio]? Or are about to be swallowed home by a massive Eldritch Abomination superdragon. You [hostess]. I'm bringing out my psychopath Wood Elf from Oblivion and doing a little cross video game world travelling, and hammering nails through your goddamn teeth you miserable stupid son of a pathetic DA elf whor.

Seriously how can ANYONE JUSTIFY THIS CRAP. YOU CANT. BIOWARE F'D THIS CHARACTER UP BEYOND REDEMPTION. THESE IS NOTHING THAT CAN REDEEM THIS ASININE STUNT.

Also, despite being mind bogglingly stupid and pathetic, elves have much better asses than any of these even more dumb stupid DA humans whom I am itching to massacre. (which is why I resent being forced to save them, I want them and their children to all get slaughtered and crushed by the Dremora's corpse mashers.)

/END

[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 28 juillet 2011 - 04:39 .

[UnsoundMrBlaze]

Wow.....O.o
Ummm, I am sure there is a reason why they made Alistair like that. I mean, you cant have a good game without a little humor, and of course he can be dumb, stupid, and just plain horrible, but he is a character that shows the scary ass side of him.

I say that Alistair is one of the great characters in the game, but he could use some more tweaking into I agree.

But, honestly now, he isn't that bad.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Everything humorous and positive and attractive about his character instantaneously died with the stunt he pulled after the Landsmeet. I find absolutely not one particle of attractiveness in people like that.

Hey, my male mage could handle Morrigan leaving him. At least she didn't really "leave" him as in breaking up with him (no "we can never be, it's over, we can never kiss again, bla bla bla"). They're both vile people, so he doesn't care... they still love each other and despite her words he knows he will see her again.

But my female Warden's ghost is just colossally pissed and heart shattered to the point of insanity. She may come back as a future villain with her mind twisted by hate.

Modifié par TheButterflyEffect, 28 juillet 2011 - 01:08 .

[UnsoundMrBlaze]

Well he also got mad at the landsmeet on my 1st playthrough in the game, and he left. I wasn't sad or anything when he was gone neither. I mean he was a just..........I can't explain, but I was just happy when he left( even though he took my damn gold armor that I got in the DLC Return To Ostagar). I was really pissed when he took off with my armor.

But, you just gotta see that when comes to characters like these, they can be fun to toy with.

P.S: I was being a good little boy in the game so I really didn't try to make him mad or anything during the story. But at the landsmeet I just dropped the bomb on his sorry ass and crowned the guys daughter as queen and saved Loghan.

[TheButterflyEffect]

Ever since that first disappointing play through, I now always do the same thing! SAVE LOGHAIN!!!

Him and Morrigan make a hilarious couple for a one night demon baby inducing stand. I approve x1000.

I heart Loghain, he is sooo awesome. I love to make friends with him cause I'm just a weirdo like that. One of my fave characters ever after BloodRayne and Eldamil

[UnsoundMrBlaze]

......................... I just saved him because I didn't want to put Alistair as king O.o. But, I respect your decision and I am happy for you

Modifié par UnsoundMrBlaze, 28 juillet 2011 - 01:25 .

[Merilsell]

Wow...you are back. Which leads to the question:

Why?

Modifié par Merilsell, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:13 .

[Skadi_the_Evil_Elf]

No justifiable reason? Shows how little you understand basic medieval-style politics and society.

Anyways, Loghain is awesome to on his own merits. Nit as revenge against Alistair. WTF? lol

[Corker]

TheButterflyEffect wrote...

 As if this kid wasn't enough of a [duck-billed platypus] before,

You can never be too much of a duck-billed platypus.

[Mike3207]

Alistair is a very good character most of the game. He's one of the reasons you actually get to the Landsmeet in the first place. He totally loses it if you decide to show mercy to Loghain, however. He betrays the PC, the Wardens, and Ferelden in very short order. The game also doesn't give a lot of justification to give him the throne over Anora, especially since she's done a good job for 5 years. I really don't think the current generation of Theirins shows much talent for ruling. I really don't want to execute him because it will end the bloodline, but it may be best in the long run. Give some other noble families a chance to prove they will be better.

[gandanlin]

The dialogue at camp shows, I would say, that Alistair looked upon Duncan as a sort of father-figure. So I understood his reaction (over-reaction, if you prefer) at the Landsmeet to follow from that attachment. It seemed quite in character for him. To me it seems odder for the Wardens to recruit Loghain, since Loghain has been their sworn enemy at least since the Battle of Ostagar.

Now if Alistair had said he hated something or other, made a big scene, and disappeared in a snit, but then re-appeared a short time later doing the exact same thing he said he hated... well, that would be out of character. Alistair does not have quite that much of a behavior problem.

Modifié par gandanlin, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:44 .

[Last Darkness]

www.youtube.com/watch

Watch that Video....its great.

[errant_knight]

You guys are feeding a troll. Well, that or someone some kind of condition. Butterfly Effect posts the same thing over and over and over and over again, and is either upset about it to the point of pathology or is just trying to get a reaction. The choice of language suggests the latter.

[Merle McClure II]

Meh, bottom line is that Alistar does the right thing by putting his country and children ahead of his own happiness.

[Mike3207]

Merle McClure II wrote...

Meh, bottom line is that Alistar does the right thing by putting his country and children ahead of his own happiness.

He leaves Ferelden at the height of the Blight if you spare Loghain. I wouldn't exactly call that putting the country first. It's one of the reasons I prefer putting Anora on the throne. She's a pragmatist, and she will do what is best for the country.

[Merle McClure II]

True, although to be fair, the Warden just spared the life of the man who was directly responcible for killing the man who might as well been his father AND whoes petty bid for power allowed the Blight to become as bad as it was AND killed off god only knows how many fellow Wardens.

Personally I'm alittle surprised that Allistar didn't draw steel and declare a second duel to the death.

[Bleachrude]

Mike Smith wrote...

Merle McClure II wrote...

Meh, bottom line is that Alistar does the right thing by putting his country and children ahead of his own happiness.

He leaves Ferelden at the height of the Blight if you spare Loghain. I wouldn't exactly call that putting the country first. It's one of the reasons I prefer putting Anora on the throne. She's a pragmatist, and she will do what is best for the country.

Er no.

Keep in mind that Anora herself will NOT marry the man who kills her father (just like Alistair won't serve with the man who killed his "father").

Both Anora and Alistair are pragmatists but they do have a ditch they won't leap over and it involves killing their father....Kind of human like that...which ironically is why I think they would be best together...

[Dandynermite]

Was I the only person that married Anora and just executed Alistar then?

[Mike3207]

Dandynermite wrote...

Was I the only person that married Anora and just executed Alistar then?

No, I've let Anora execute him. If he claims the throne to kill Loghain after the decision is made to make Anora Queen, he really brings it on himself.  I don't really think you can call Alistair's decison to kill Loghain pragmatic, more a desire to seek vengeance. He may show pragmatism after the Landsmeet, but he shows really bad judgement during it-at least if you spare Loghain.

Modifié par Mike Smith, 31 juillet 2011 - 07:22 .

[Monica21]

Bleachrude wrote...
Both Anora and Alistair are pragmatists but they do have a ditch they won't leap over and it involves killing their father....Kind of human like that...which ironically is why I think they would be best together...

Pretty sure it was an axe-wielding Hurlock that killed Duncan.

[Merle McClure II]

The fact that a darkspawn delievered the literal blow doesn't take away the fact that Loghain is the one who bares full responcibility for Ducan's death.

[Monica21]

Mike Smith wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Was I the only person that married Anora and just executed Alistar then?

No, I've let Anora execute him. If he claims the throne to kill Loghain after the decision is made to make Anora Queen, he really brings it on himself.  I don't really think you can call Alistair's decison to kill Loghain pragmatic, more a desire to seek vengeance. He may show pragmatism after the Landsmeet, but he shows really bad judgement during it-at least if you spare Loghain.

Agreed. His tantrum after sparing Loghain is the best case not to make him king, in my opinion. Anyone who would demand in front of the Landsmeet that I kill a father in front of his daughter to satisfy his own need for vengeance is not worthy of the crown. 

[Monica21]

Merle McClure II wrote...

The fact that a darkspawn delievered the literal blow doesn't take away the fact that Loghain is the one who bares full responcibility for Ducan's death.

Your signal was late. The horde was larger than expected. Loghain knows your signal is late, and even if he doesn't know why, late is late. (And I'd even suggest that that if he'd known that the darkspawn had dug behind your own lines and were fighting you in the tower, he'd probably have retreated sooner.) Even if he had charged, who's to say that he could have made it to Cailan and Duncan in time? How does Loghain even know where Cailan and Duncan are? 

A tactical retreat is not murder.

[Jedimaster88]

Monica21 wrote...

Mike Smith wrote...

Dandynermite wrote...

Was I the only person that married Anora and just executed Alistar then?

No, I've let Anora execute him. If he claims the throne to kill Loghain after the decision is made to make Anora Queen, he really brings it on himself.  I don't really think you can call Alistair's decison to kill Loghain pragmatic, more a desire to seek vengeance. He may show pragmatism after the Landsmeet, but he shows really bad judgement during it-at least if you spare Loghain.

Agreed. His tantrum after sparing Loghain is the best case not to make him king, in my opinion. Anyone who would demand in front of the Landsmeet that I kill a father in front of his daughter to satisfy his own need for vengeance is not worthy of the crown. 

Well in my opinion Anora doesnt show her best side in the landsmeet. She actually wants to execute Alistair, one of the only people who can kill the archdemon just to keep her precious throne. Im not calling that a smart thing to do either.  Alistair has been fighting with the warden agains the blight and hasnt done anything wrong to deserve an execution. Loghain b****** on the other hand has done PLENTY of things to deserve an execution. Ostagar may not be one those things but almost everything else he does after and even before ostagar are totally those things. Put yourself to Alistairs position. What would you do in his position? Would you just dance for joy when the man, who has thrown so much sh** at you, tried to kill you, blamed you for his own dirty work, done many other nasty things and made Fereldens situation worse and worse, is now offered that, what you think is propably the greatest honor and the greatest thing that has happened to you and basically he would get away with everything he did if he survives. How would you react?

Allowing Loghain to become a grey warden and anora executing Alistair doesnt seem like justice and it just feels so wrong to me.

[Merle McClure II]

You're right, a tactical retreat isn't murder, the only problem is that unless I'm misremembering the Noble Blood origan story Loghain had already started making plans and allies to secure his bid for power long before the battle. The king was never meant to survive that battle and I find it alittle odd that it was Loghain's men who "cleared" the tower in the first place.

Of course, I might be misremembering and reading too much between the lines, but I'd posit that even if I'm completely wrong about the battle, Loghain's actions afterwards in trying to kill the last two people in his kingdom that are actually capable of ending the Blight in order to seize the crown is just as bad if not worse.