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[Kaiser Shepard]

I'll spare you guys the overly long intro comparing the Architect and Corypheus, and will instead get right to business.

As I previously saw it, the Disciple plotline introduced in Awakening had two ways to be continued. Most people simply assumed the whole talking Darkspawn thing would be over if you did away with the Architect, but then there would still be Seranni to pick up the ropes. Either way, the whole Velanna/Seranni arc, as well as the Disciple one, would probably see their conclusions in a future installment.

Fast-forwarding to Corypheus' death in Legacy, we see the ancient Magister/Darkspawn taking over the body of one carrying the taint, a Grey Warden in this case. Now, looking at the Warden killing Archie back in Awakening, I'm suddenly not so sure we actually killed the bastard anymore. First and foremost: basically everyone and everything in the location he 'died' in was tainted to some extent. From the countless of Darkspawn to the Wardens themselves, there were plenty of possible vessels for old Archie.

Of course, it isn't going to be random Darkspawn #1183 that gets his body snatched. That leaves us with:
- The Mother, who was obviously still unaffected by "the Father's" magic
- Our Warden companions, which would probably be too difficult to implement considering the amount of possibilities (at least 4)
- The Warden-Commander him/herself, which would arguably be a decent way to have a former player character show up in a future game, while not under the control of the player. Would only really work if the bodysnatching is not completely instantaneous, though.
- Once again, that leaves us with Seranni as the plausible candidate to continue the Architect's work, albeit this time as the Architect himself... herself... itself? Either way, the story continues in largely the same fashion, sans the Architect now having given up on the other races and the Wardens, losing a possible ally.

Thoughts?

[Sepewrath]

I don't see how these things can be jumping into Grey Warden's, not even the Archdemon can do that, their spirit is destroyed when mixed with a Warden. The Architect, while an intelligent Darkspawn is still just a Darkspawn. And I'm not even 100% sure Corypheus is a Darkspawn and unless he had some Flemeth like juice, I don't know how he could hop bodies either.

[Macropodmum]

What I got from it was that Corypheus was an old Tevinter Magister, one that entered what was supposed to be the golden city and ended up tainted. Given that no one with magic so far had managed to control him it would be a given he was extremely powerful and therefore would probably know the secrets of body hopping like Flemeth did. I did wonder at first why he chose a host with the taint (and this is assuming that they did become possessed) but remembering that Morrigan had said the more of a fit that a new body was for Flemeth the easier the transition, I am guessing that someone carrying the taint may have provided a similar host...

Modifié par Macropodmum, 28 juillet 2011 - 01:33 .

[Daerog]

Sepewrath wrote...

I don't see how these things can be jumping into Grey Warden's, not even the Archdemon can do that, their spirit is destroyed when mixed with a Warden. The Architect, while an intelligent Darkspawn is still just a Darkspawn. And I'm not even 100% sure Corypheus is a Darkspawn and unless he had some Flemeth like juice, I don't know how he could hop bodies either.

Ya, I'm not so sure how the body jumping would work with Cory. The Archdemon can go into vessels, but is destroyed/killed if it tries to go into an "occupied" being.

Cory and Architect are certainly darkspawn or are at least the same kind of being. However, with the Architect's background, it seems that they may just get reincarnated somehow with the blight. Cory has memories of his time as a magister, Architect has absolutely no clue of why he is different and most likely hasn't been around since the first Blights and just appeared at most an age or two ago (more likely a couple decades).

Perhaps the souls of the magisters are tied to the blight, and will just be reborn at some point as long as the blight exists?

Edit: Not saying the theory has no grounds of course (has plenty of ground), but the possession can certainly be implied, but not know for sure until future story is released.

Modifié par DaerogTheDhampir, 28 juillet 2011 - 07:23 .

[Ginkeh]

As a reply to Dærog`s comment about Arch having no memories as to where he came from.

Could be possible that Arch simply forgot or his mind got "reset" from the burden of memories.

Remember the old elves going into Uthenera when they got old and memories became too much to bear. Maybe this happened to Arch and he forgot or his mind "reset" one day. If he was an old magister he was once a human and I would think a human mind would deterioate quicker than the the minds of the old elves. As some sort of self defense his mind just blanked out his memory.
Cory could have kept his memories somewhat intact thanks to the stasis he was in.

Not saying I even believe this myself, just a thought I had.

Edit: As for the body snatching by Cory; I certainly hope that`s not the case. As some say here, even Archdemons can`t do that (only Flemeth has been known to do it so far?), except for the Dark Ritual which is a whole other thing.
On the other hand, Janeka`s expression as we`re leaving the scene of the final fight certainly suggest something omnious. :G

Modifié par Ginkeh, 28 juillet 2011 - 12:17 .

[mabscottsville]

if you read the completed quest "legacy" in the journal it states "Corypheus has been defeated, for now." which implies he'll be back

[Mark of the Dragon]

Lol I was about to point the quests "for now" thing out. But Cory is definitly not a regular darkspawn he's a Tevinter Magister, the real thing, no he's been around a while. He helped break into the golden city, he has to know some special shiz. I mean break into the Golden City (Heaven) or jump into a new meat suit, which sounds harder to you. The rest of the darkspawn are souless beings who's to say the same apply's to him though. He was once human maybe he still has his soul, it's just tainted. Beside's even if he doesn't he's a master of blood magic i'm sure ,like Flemeth, he can learn how to body switch.
They make him out to be stronger then the Archdemon. Afterall five blights have been stopped by the wardens but not one Warden (except probably ours) could stop Cory. Plus he's intelligent, Archdemons just destroy things. Either way hopefully we find out soon. I can't stand another four month wait for DLC.

[OLDFARTKEYWESTER]

Ginkeh wrote...

As a reply to Dærog`s comment about Arch having no memories as to where he came from.

Could be possible that Arch simply forgot or his mind got "reset" from the burden of memories.

Remember the old elves going into Uthenera when they got old and memories became too much to bear. Maybe this happened to Arch and he forgot or his mind "reset" one day. If he was an old magister he was once a human and I would think a human mind would deterioate quicker than the the minds of the old elves. As some sort of self defense his mind just blanked out his memory.
Cory could have kept his memories somewhat intact thanks to the stasis he was in.

Not saying I even believe this myself, just a thought I had.

Edit: As for the body snatching by Cory; I certainly hope that`s not the case. As some say here, even Archdemons can`t do that (only Flemeth has been known to do it so far?), except for the Dark Ritual which is a whole other thing.
On the other hand, Janeka`s expression as we`re leaving the scene of the final fight certainly suggest something omnious. :G

From your comments, I presume you sided with Janeka and the Wardens rather than Larius.  If you side with Larius you end up killing the wardens, including Janeka to get to the final key, and the implication is that Larius ends up possessed by Cory at the end.   After the battle, Larius suddenly regains his health and ability to converse normally, and when Hawke notes that, Larius says it is because he can no longer hear Cory talking to him.   Which is plausible until you note the fleeting expression that crosses his face (his back is to the party, so they could not see it) when he says, "Thank you for my...freedom!".  I can only say that it looked a bit, well, diabolical, and I then remembered that as Cory was dying there was a scene where he stares intently at Larius for a moment before collapsing.  I suspect Cory in some form went into Larius, and we will likely see some more of him as the story advances.

[Ginkeh]

OLDFARTKEYWESTER wrote...


From your comments, I presume you sided with Janeka and the Wardens rather than Larius.  If you side with Larius you end up killing the wardens, including Janeka to get to the final key, and the implication is that Larius ends up possessed by Cory at the end.   After the battle, Larius suddenly regains his health and ability to converse normally, and when Hawke notes that, Larius says it is because he can no longer hear Cory talking to him.   Which is plausible until you note the fleeting expression that crosses his face (his back is to the party, so they could not see it) when he says, "Thank you for my...freedom!".  I can only say that it looked a bit, well, diabolical, and I then remembered that as Cory was dying there was a scene where he stares intently at Larius for a moment before collapsing.  I suspect Cory in some form went into Larius, and we will likely see some more of him as the story advances.

Oh, don`t get me wrong, I too think it`s very likely that there was some body snatching going on there, the Janeka ending is also pretty suggesting.
I`m just hoping it`s not the case. I`ve killed Cory now, let him be, let us discover another one of the magisters instead.