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[Uzrbital]

 No matter what I do, Miranda keeps dying. She's not loyal, and I can't improve that.

1st Specialist - Legion
1st Fireteam Leader - Jacob
Passed without any casualties!

2nd Specialist - Jack w/ implants
2nd Fireteam Leader - Garrus
Passed without any casualties!

Last stage
My team - Tali and Garrus
Death to Miranda.

How do I keep her alive? I want the achievement for saving everyone! I heard that if I bring someone who isn't loyal to the last boss, they will die, no matter what. So why does she die, when I'm not bringing her?

[Captain_Obvious_au]

As far as I'm aware, it's random chance. Basically the system rolls dice to determine if a character dies or not, and their chances of surviving are MUCH higher if they're loyal.

Personally I'd say just give up, and go back to a previous save where she's loyal. Or start a new career. Either way, I don't think you'll get her to survive this mission. One option is sending her back to protect the crew near the start of the mission.

[Uzrbital]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

As far as I'm aware, it's random chance. Basically the system rolls dice to determine if a character dies or not, and their chances of surviving are MUCH higher if they're loyal.

Personally I'd say just give up, and go back to a previous save where she's loyal. Or start a new career. Either way, I don't think you'll get her to survive this mission. One option is sending her back to protect the crew near the start of the mission.

Wont she die if I send her? I thought the crew and the escort would die if they were not loyal.

[Reaver2011]

Try leaving Garrus behind and taking Jack with you instead. Garrus is better at holding the line than Jack so Miranda might survive. sending Mordin with the crew will stop him dieing when holding the line

Modifié par Reaver2011, 28 juillet 2011 - 11:49 .

[Jafroboy]

Uzrbital wrote...

She's not loyal, and I can't improve that.

Derp, make her loyal, or let her die.

Modifié par Jafroboy, 28 juillet 2011 - 11:14 .

[didymos1120]

Captain_Obvious_au wrote...

As far as I'm aware, it's random chance. Basically the system rolls dice to determine if a character dies or not, and their chances of surviving are MUCH higher if they're loyal.

No, it's not random. Not in the least.  It's all entirely rule-based.  That's what the SM Guide that's stickied is there for: explaining the rules.  It also includes a handy chart:

[F00lishG]

Miranda's plot armor is pretty thick even when unloyal. Unless you never got all twelve members to the end I don't know how Miranda can NOT survive.

[Uzrbital]

The chart is confusing, and I can't make Miranda loyal because I chose Jack over Miranda, since I failed to make Samara loyal.

Edit: 

In hold the line, does it mean that if I leave Garrus, Zaaed or grunt, the chance of survival is higher? I always brought Tali and Garrus with me, so does that mean I should bring the people who are on the lowest part of the "Hold the Line" part of the chart?

Edit:

Yeah, I'll try that. Thanks to Reaver for mentioning it! Thanks to chart too!

EDIT:

WOOHOO! I saved them all! Thanks for the help, guys!

Modifié par Uzrbital, 28 juillet 2011 - 01:47 .

[Jeth Prime]

Make her loyal.... Problem solved.

[Ieldra]

Here's the math:

You need two loyal "heavy hitters" (two of Grunt, Zaeed, Garrus) to protect four loyal "squishies" (Tali, Jack, Kasumi, Mordin). If you take Tali with you to the final boss, you have one less squishy to protect, and unloyal Miranda counts like a loyal squishie. Which means that nothing changes and you need two of loyal (Grunt, Garrus, Zaeed) to protect them all.

So change your final squad like this:
(a) Leave Garrus behind to hold the line
( Take Jack, Kasumi or Mordin to the final boss alongside Tali

BTW: Who did you send back as crew escort?

[Uzrbital]

Ieldra, I sent Mordin as escort. I managed to save everyone the fifth time lol. And as you said, I grabbed Tali and Jack to defeat the Reaper. Two posts above, I said I got it.

Jeth Prime, I took Jack over Miranda when they had a fight, resulting in a unloyal Miranda. Couldn't make her loyal again.

[Jeth Prime]

Uzrbital wrote...

Jeth Prime, I took Jack over Miranda when they had a fight, resulting in a unloyal Miranda. Couldn't make her loyal again.

Then don't choose a side, next time. Stay neutral.

[Uzrbital]

Jeth Prime wrote...

Uzrbital wrote...

Jeth Prime, I took Jack over Miranda when they had a fight, resulting in a unloyal Miranda. Couldn't make her loyal again.

Then don't choose a side, next time. Stay neutral.

There was no option for that:(

[Jeth Prime]

Uzrbital wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...

Uzrbital wrote...

Jeth Prime, I took Jack over Miranda when they had a fight, resulting in a unloyal Miranda. Couldn't make her loyal again.

Then don't choose a side, next time. Stay neutral.

There was no option for that:(

Yeah, there is. Then they both stay loyal.

[Uzrbital]

Jeth Prime wrote...

Uzrbital wrote...

Jeth Prime wrote...

Uzrbital wrote...

Jeth Prime, I took Jack over Miranda when they had a fight, resulting in a unloyal Miranda. Couldn't make her loyal again.

Then don't choose a side, next time. Stay neutral.

There was no option for that:(

Yeah, there is. Then they both stay loyal.

Damnit! Must have overlooked it. 

[DoNotIngest]

I don't see the problem here...?




Heh heh. Just kidding.

[themonty72]

Simple get your paragon points up. if you dont have enough after the clash between Miranda and jack that if you took jack side which I did. I went around talking to squad members and my paragon points went up. And then I went back to Miranda i get the dialogue a better woman i pick it and now she back loyal. Saved before talking to your squad members because. you might get renegade points. Sometimes you will have to disageree with some of the things your squad members say so you can gain paragon points it took me ahort time to figure it out. 

Modifié par themonty72, 28 juillet 2011 - 07:45 .

[DoNotIngest]

Tigerblood and MilkShakes wrote...

DoNotIngest wrote...

I don't see the problem here...?




Heh heh. Just kidding.

I dont kid,i kill her all the time
and i never see a problem with this

I think this is a common occurence *brofist*

[Uzrbital]

themonty72 wrote...

Simple get your paragon points up. if you dont have enough after the clash between Miranda and jack that if you took jack side which I did. I went around talking to squad members and my paragon points went up. And then I went back to Miranda i get the dialogue a better woman i pick it and now she back loyal. Saved before talking to your squad members because. you might get renegade points. Sometimes you will have to disageree with some of the things your squad members say so you can gain paragon points it took me ahort time to figure it out. 

My paragon bar was full, but still, I couldn't take the perfect woman choice. Bug? 

[didymos1120]

Uzrbital wrote...

My paragon bar was full, but still, I couldn't take the perfect woman choice. Bug? 

No.  For one, the bar probably wasn't actually full.  Just so close to it the difference couldn't be discerned.  Two, the P/R system isn't just based on the raw number of points you have.  The game doesn't have fixed requirements for those dialogue options.  Instead it operates on a percentage basis.  What it does is look at the maximum possible P/R points you could have at that time, and multiplies that by a constant (e.g. 0.1 or 0.8).  If your current total is less than the calculated target, you can't pick that option on the dialogue wheel.