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[MisanthropePrime]

Okay, so, here's a theory of mine based off some stuff said by Corypheus





1. The "Golden City" was supposed to be home to the "Creators", plural, not "Creator" or "Maker"

2. The Old Gods, or at least, Dumat, goaded Corypheus and his magisters to go into the golden city

3. The golden city was black when they got there





It seems like Corypheus was essentially tricked to go into the city. Now
who, in the DA setting, is famous for trickery? Fen'harel, of course,
the Dread Wolf of the elven pantheon, who could walk amongst the
Creators and Forgotten Ones and turn them against eachother. I think
this has something to do with the elven pantheon due to the multiple
creators, rather than one, singular maker. And personally, it strikes me
odd that the "god of silence" would trick the magisters into doing
this. As such, maybe Dumat was tricked by Fen'harel and he, in turn,
told Corypheus to go there?



I'm beginning to think that Fen'harel is/was the maker, actually. By instigating a war between the old gods and creators he gets THEM out of the way, and by creating a blight he neutralizes the power of "mortals" (humans- mostly tevinter at that time- elves and dwarves) and that allows him to reign supreme. It also explains why the maker has such prohibitions against magic: mages could theoretically reenter the black city and take him down.

[deamon deathstone1]

Interesting theory. Could be, ofcourse the Golden City might have turned black because of the actions the mages took to enter it, but that is a sweet theory.

[whykikyouwhy]

Intriguing. And very possible.

But what if Dumat wasn't tricked but brought the magisters through intentionally? What if he was seeking to usurp the power/influence/authority of the other gods, including Fen'harel? What if "god of silence" is a literal name - as in Dumat wanted to corrupt the city as a means to silence or quell what powers existed in the higher pantheon?

Just some hazy ideas on my part, mind you.

[mesmerizedish]

whykikyouwhy is Flemeth. True story.

[deamon deathstone1]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Hey that's my theory!

Anyway, now tell me who Flemeth is

Well..., she can become a dragon and seems to be immortal in a way. So she might be one of those dragon gods, who didn't end up underground. Possessing the bodies of atractive young women to hide herself away from those that taint her bretheren!

Or she could be a nutty old (and very powerfull) bloodmage, who knows?

[FieryDove]

Mash Mashington wrote...

I still hope she's Andraste. Bitter old prophet (and a blood mage at that, Chantry would be so proud of her), that would be so cool

I want to see a Flemeth vs. Divine battle.

OP:

Great points. I don't think we may ever find out. The Devs are sneaky like that.

[Nauks]

I like the idea (not my own) that Flemeth made the whole idea of a "Maker" up.

Flemeth/Fen'Harel who was a mediator between the two sets of gods (old Gods/Forgotten ones+Creators), after having trapped both in the heavens and earth, then tricked Andraste (who was most likely a mage) through the fade (or possibly an abomination symbiosis) that Flemeth was "the Maker" to further her own yet undiscovered goals.

Those including raising a sufficient force (The Chantry) to annihilating the Tevinters who had been taught blood magic by the slumbering old gods to free them through entering the Black City and becoming darkspawn etc.

Modifié par Nauks, 28 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[miraclemight]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

But what if Dumat wasn't tricked but brought the magisters through intentionally?

Dumat was the first Old God to become tainted by the Blight. I don't think becoming twisted was his intention, so OPs theory seems very plausible.

I also find it interesting that according to Corypheus, Dumat was the one who had the most connection with these Magisters, and also the one to become tainted first. As if the corruption in the Black City spread like a contagious disease from the mages to him, and then to the others.

There's another mystery though- The Altar of Dumat is still working. Was it really Dumat that was 'satisfied' by Hawke's offerings and gave the amulet. If yes, wasn't he supposed to be destroyed in the first Blight?

Hmm... If it's really him and still alive, I wonder if someone else did the Dark Ritual in the old era.

Modifié par miraclemight, 28 juillet 2011 - 02:52 .

[Matriach]

I think...Fen'harel might impersonating Dumat and he's the one who actually lead all those tevinters and take part in maintaining that altar for whatever reason.

[whykikyouwhy]

@miraclemight - In my hazy theory, I don't believe that Dumat intended to become tainted. Nor did he intend to fail in the overthrow of the Creators. Maybe its all allegorical and correlates with the lucifer story - he became cast down and twisted, as did his minions, the magisters.

And I agree that the OP's theory is plausible. I just wanted to add some additonal ideas to consider. The workings and intentions of gods being sticky matters and all - always difficult to pin down.

[FieryDove]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Perhaps the dwarves got the Black City first (idk how, don't ask me) and tainted it? From what i gathered from the tablets in the first Carta area, they dug something up and this something started to "poison" the lyrium. Perhaps the red lyrium is poisoned?

Or i may be delusional

Did you read all three of those markers?

The poison/slime is connected to the *blank* you find.

[Mr.House]

This is an interesting theory and does make sense.

[Rifneno]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Hey that's my theory!

Anyway, now tell me who Flemeth is

An old hag who talks too much. Next.

FieryDove wrote...

I want to see a Flemeth vs. Divine battle.

OP:

Great points. I don't think we may ever find out. The Devs are sneaky like that.

Why? The Divine is no more powerful than the real world Pope. She's just the highest ranking member of an oganized religion. Hell, Marjolaine beat her with T&A.

I certainly hope they do. Soon? I very much doubt it. But by the end of the series. Only, unlike ME which is set at 3 games, DA has no pre-planned set, so our great grandchildren could be debating Flemeth while waiting for the next game if it makes enough money.

miraclemight wrote...

Dumat was the first Old God to become tainted by the Blight. I don't think becoming twisted was his intention, so OPs theory seems very plausible.

I also find it interesting that according to Corypheus, Dumat was the one who had the most connection with these Magisters, and also the one to become tainted first. As if the corruption in the Black City spread like a contagious disease from the mages to him, and then to the others.

There's another mystery though- The Altar of Dumat is still working. Was it really Dumat that was 'satisfied' by Hawke's offerings and gave the amulet. If yes, wasn't he supposed to be destroyed in the first Blight?

Hmm... If it's really him and still alive, I wonder if someone else did the Dark Ritual in the old era.

Maybe. We'd have to research and find out if any extremely powerful beings of mysterious origins appeared as an adult 26 years after Dumat was slain.

[FieryDove]

Rifneno wrote...

FieryDove wrote...

I want to see a Flemeth vs. Divine battle.

OP:

Great points. I don't think we may ever find out. The Devs are sneaky like that.

Why? The Divine is no more powerful than the real world Pope. She's just the highest ranking member of an oganized religion. Hell, Marjolaine beat her with T&A.

The Divine is the voice of Andraste and many think Flemeth IS Andraste...see where this is going?

[tmp7704]

MisanthropePrime wrote...

I'm beginning to think that Fen'harel is/was the maker, actually. By instigating a war between the old gods and creators he gets THEM out of the way, and by creating a blight he neutralizes the power of "mortals" (humans- mostly tevinter at that time- elves and dwarves) and that allows him to reign supreme. It also explains why the maker has such prohibitions against magic: mages could theoretically reenter the black city and take him down.

Small problem with the theory: if all this is supposed to allow to 'reign supreme', the actual 'reigning supreme' appears to be missing.

[miraclemight]

Rifneno wrote...

miraclemight wrote...

There's another mystery though- The Altar of Dumat is still working. Was it really Dumat that was 'satisfied' by Hawke's offerings and gave the amulet. If yes, wasn't he supposed to be destroyed in the first Blight?

Hmm... If it's really him and still alive, I wonder if someone else did the Dark Ritual in the old era.

Maybe. We'd have to research and find out if any extremely powerful beings of mysterious origins appeared as an adult 26 years after Dumat was slain.

That's an interesting discovery.

[Torax]

miraclemight wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

miraclemight wrote...

There's another mystery though- The Altar of Dumat is still working. Was it really Dumat that was 'satisfied' by Hawke's offerings and gave the amulet. If yes, wasn't he supposed to be destroyed in the first Blight?

Hmm... If it's really him and still alive, I wonder if someone else did the Dark Ritual in the old era.

Maybe. We'd have to research and find out if any extremely powerful beings of mysterious origins appeared as an adult 26 years after Dumat was slain.

That's an interesting discovery.

Granted that Andraste was killed publically. Burned at the stake. Speared. Reduced to Ashes and so on. Fully dead. Also Flemeth seems to be uncaring in regards to it all. Flemeth was from a time long before the days of Andraste it seems. Staying in the Wilds. I just fail to see the benefit on her end. Keep in mind from a writing premise that Flemeth & Morrigan serve one purpose. Preserving the World. They care about nothing else. She raised Morrigan to even be that way. Blights are something to worry about. Andraste had nothing to do with it. Grey Wardens she cares about. Yet another religion? Doesn't matter to Flemeth or Morrigan in the slightest.

[miraclemight]

We weren't talking about Flemeth at all. The dicussion was about Dumat and the old Magisters.

I'm not hinting that Andraste was or was not a normal human. Granted, this discussion isn't about Andraste either. But since you mentioned it, I don't think it hurts to remind that there have been plenty of entities in the Dragon Age universe who didn't die by being normally killed.

Modifié par miraclemight, 28 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .

[Jedi Master of Orion]

We don't know how old Flemeth is. The legends of Flemeth date back to the Towers Age but beyond that we don't know if she predates Andraste or not.

As far as the Maker goes, when Corypheus said he was promised "the power of the gods" the question if who he was referring to. I honestly doubt he meant the Elven Gods, and since he was a priest of Dumat, my guess was that it was The Old Gods he was talking about, Either that or "gods" in a generic sense.

[tmp7704]

Rifneno wrote...

Maybe. We'd have to research and find out if any extremely powerful beings of mysterious origins appeared as an adult 26 years after Dumat was slain.

Considering said being then went on a crusade to destroy the empire which worshipped the old gods... well, that would be an odd thing for an old god to do.