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[TwistedComplex]

Total war breaks out between humans and turians

Who wins? Go

I choose humans

[Bogsnot1]

Turians have more warships, more experience in inter-stellar warfare, and more colonies upon which they can get resources.
They also have the Volus doing their catering.

[TwistedComplex]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Turians have more warships, more experience in inter-stellar warfare, and more colonies upon which they can get resources.
They also have the Volus doing their catering.

Turians don't have covert ops. And the only thing holding the human fleet back is the restrictions from the citidel.

[Uzrbital]

Turians.

[Bogsnot1]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Turians have more warships, more experience in inter-stellar warfare, and more colonies upon which they can get resources.
They also have the Volus doing their catering.

Turians don't have covert ops. And the only thing holding the human fleet back is the restrictions from the citidel.

And the only thing holding the Turian fleet back is the same restrictions. Who says the Turians dont have covert ops? If you havent heard of them, it means they are really, really covert. 
Also, never underestimate the buffing power of a Volus-made sandwich.

[TwistedComplex]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

TwistedComplex wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Turians have more warships, more experience in inter-stellar warfare, and more colonies upon which they can get resources.
They also have the Volus doing their catering.

Turians don't have covert ops. And the only thing holding the human fleet back is the restrictions from the citidel.

And the only thing holding the Turian fleet back is the same restrictions. Who says the Turians dont have covert ops? If you havent heard of them, it means they are really, really covert. 
Also, never underestimate the buffing power of a Volus-made sandwich.

Bioware themselves said they don't have covert ops. Look at the battle of Shioxi. It says the turians were caught of guard by the human special forces and rapid response.

Plus there are TONS more humans than turians. The total percent of humans that are in the military is 3%. Meaning even though 3% serve the military, they still rival the turians, who REQUIRE that every turian serve in the military.

[Weiser_Cain]

At this point? The Humans, if it's one thing we know it's killing and I'd bet there are more groups that Cerberus out there willing to launch asteroids at the Turian's home world. And everything they do in retaliation will just drive us further over the crazy fence.

[Bogsnot1]

TwistedComplex wrote...
Bioware themselves said they don't have covert ops. Look at the battle of Shioxi. It says the turians were caught of guard by the human special forces and rapid response.

Plus there are TONS more humans than turians. The total percent of humans that are in the military is 3%. Meaning even though 3% serve the military, they still rival the turians, who REQUIRE that every turian serve in the military.

Source for lack of covert ops? Cant find anything in the codex.
At Shanxi it was the small fleet they left behind that was caught off guard by the Second Fleet. Had they been fuly mobilised it would have turned out differently.

Given that the entire Turian culture is in essence a military-industrial complex, they can dedicate their entire population to the task, and they have had far more experience, as well as more advanced forms of mass effect technology.

My money is still on the Turians. Not saying it would be a cakewalk for them, but they would definately have the upper hand.

[Black Raptor]

Humans. Has there ever been a war, fictional or real, where a humanity has lost?

My point exactly.

Besides, the Alliance thinks outside the box. Turians are narrow-minded with regards to how they fight. Humans adapt.

[Jafroboy]

Reapers

[Praetor Knight]

Black Raptor wrote...

Humans. Has there ever been a war, fictional or real, where a humanity has lost?

My point exactly.

Besides, the Alliance thinks outside the box. Turians are narrow-minded with regards to how they fight. Humans adapt.

Now there are several fictional wars were humanity has lost to aliens, and then got lucky with some sort of outside intervention. Babylon 5, Halo series, War of the Worlds to name only three for now.

And real wars, with both sides being human, at least a part of humanity has to be a loser!

So if the OP means a continued fight between the Humans and Turians, from the First Contact War, we would be in a world of hurt because we only faced off against Turian Scout units not outfitted for full-scale war.

And the Turians were fully mobilizing from what I remember, before the Council intervened.

So I think Humans got very lucky again!

[EternalPink]

TwistedComplex wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Turians have more warships, more experience in inter-stellar warfare, and more colonies upon which they can get resources.
They also have the Volus doing their catering.

Turians don't have covert ops. And the only thing holding the human fleet back is the restrictions from the citidel.

In ME2 where we are a council member we are allowed 3 dreadnoughts for every 5 turian (least thats what the salarians and asari have) and we have like 7, so i think its more the huge investment in equipment, training, building the thing thats holding us back rather than council restrictions.

We are told the turians have come to rely on the asari for diplomacy and the salarians for intelligence but i wouldn't take that to assume that they have none themselves, just that they've released that some races are better than them at certain tasks.

Our strength would be in our unconvential tactics since we are told by the codex that until we arrived all the council races used the tried and tested tactics of the past (if it works why change it) so there would most likely be plenty of strategic and tactical blind spots for us to take advantage of so if we could manage a pearl harbour of space then we would most likely win/stand a good chance.

If we went for a straight up attritional fight we'd most likely loose badly

[Soahfreako]

This thread has the word VERSUS in the title. And since versus threads are against the forum rules.
/thread

[Sgt Stryker]

Ever heard of this little thing called the First Contact War?

[Weiser_Cain]

Black Raptor wrote...

Humans. Has there ever been a war, fictional or real, where a humanity has lost?

My point exactly.

Besides, the Alliance thinks outside the box. Turians are narrow-minded with regards to how they fight. Humans adapt.

I kill off humanity in my stories but we do it to ourselves usually, does that count as a double win or loss?

[A Great Biotic Wind]

I think what the main factor in this hypothetical battle would be is how far the opposing force's allies will partipate. Also, the Humans would probably recieve support from Cerberus (who knows what they would do).

Modifié par A Great Biotic Wind, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:14 .

[KotorEffect3]

Turians have us out gunned and out numbered. They have a much larger military and a bigger industrial base. The turians would win but we would make it hurt.

[d1sciple]

humans v turians has nothing to do with guns or ships, it's just like 300 where leonidas meets the arcadians, who brought the most soldiers? the arcadians with their couple thousand farmers and fisherman or the 100% pure soldier spartans?
unlike humans EVERY turian is a soldier, every single one and that makes anything we have to fight with completely irrelevant. this isn't vietnam, we drop a platoon of rookie soldiers on top of a school full of combat trained turians, teachers, students, parents, who do think's gonna come out on top? one turian soccer mom will have more training than some 20 year old army brat drafted into a galatic war from his home on the farm milking cows.

[swenson]

I read Interregnum. I respect the power of the volus.

(for those who don't read it, and really, why aren't you, it's about Garrus' time as Archangel, there's a cyborg volus. "Nobody expects the volus!")

No, but the turians would win. I wouldn't want them to win, obviously, but they would. They have a larger military and more ships. Every turian has military training, it's ingrained into their culture, where only a very small percentage of humans have military training. So... unfortunately, we'd lose.

We'd put up a good fight, though. They might win, but it would take them a long time and we would do some serious damages to them. After all, who was it who had more casualties in the First Contact War? Oh, that's right, THEM.

[capn233]

Straight up fight, probably Turians if they can end it quickly because they have superior numbers.

Humans have a lot of people sitting around. I think it could ultimately gear up like the Soviets did in WWII... except that they are already starting at technological parity with the enemy.

The other question is what kind of shady tactics would the Alliance stoop to... I imagine the Turians would mostly fight "fair," their consideration of civilians as fair targets notwithstanding (which is in line with Humanity's practice through most of out history...).

[ShinsFortress]

Turians. Human numerical superiority is irrelevent in most cases. a) as d1sciple said above and if the turians have an extra dreadnought or 3 to pound the crap out of a planet that humans have millions of people standing on....

As was also said earlier, the space warefare angle probably changes things beyond any realm where humans would likely have the edge.

Modifié par ShinsFortress, 17 septembre 2011 - 12:48 .

[swenson]

Eh, I don't see why the turians wouldn't fight "unfairly". Remember this little thing called the genophage? When it comes down to it, turians are in it to win, no matter what the cost. I don't think they'd hesitate to pull dirty tricks any more than humans would... and you better believe we'd be trying dirty tricks too.

[Black Raptor]

Humans. Council only intervened in the FCW because humanity was about to whoop the asses of their favourite Krogan killers.

Plus we'd get the Krogan and the Asari to fight with us as the Krogan hate Turians and Asari r teh hotness

[capn233]

The Salarians came up with the genophage though. Would the Turians have even thought of that by themselves?

[swenson]

That's not my point. The point is that they'd be willing to go to any lengths to win, which is why I disagree with your assessment that they'd mostly fight fair. I figure that they'd fight as dirty as humans, especially considering their past history.

Also, good point, Black Raptor. I hadn't thought about the krogan, but if we really did want to wipe out the turians, the krogan probably wouldn't hesitate to join up! On the other hand, the salarians would probably ally with the turians. And the asari? I dunno. I figure they'd be trying to get everyone to shut up and work together.

And then the Reapers show up and kill everyone.