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[Nameless one7]

Godak wrote...

My problem with Nintendo is not their hardware, but their insistence to do everything humanly feasible to try to destroy relations with quality third-party developers. For the most part, I am absolutely numb to any of Nintendo's first party games (Mario, LoZ, Metroid, SSB). The only exception is Fire Emblem. Now, the questions I ask myself is...do I buy a console for one game?

No. Hell no.

That's what I did for the Wii, got it for Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn.  Don't regret it to much, just wish I would of waited till the price would of gone down some.

[KenKenpachi]

Meh I could care less about thrid party support myself, rather than a small well made core. I didn't mind the Gamecube after I got one, but with the Wii and Wii U's new direction. Its all Base gaming. The controller is also ****ty, and Nintendo lied pretty much about trying to get the Hard Core back.

As I said could care less about huge Thrid Party support, so much as just Nintendo and a few good brands, such as EA, and Rare, jumping on, but the fact is nintendo has made its bed for the facebook crowd who like small games, and I won't be taking part in it. Actully GG you've posted this in the wrong place if you want support. Nintendo has killed its former base for a new one. In fact most 64 and GC players I've known are 360 players for the most now.

Modifié par KenKenpachi, 28 juillet 2011 - 11:21 .

[Boiny Bunny]

It sounds like the WiiU will be getting all of the standard multiplatform releases that Xbox and PS get. Since EA have already confirmed a massive partnership, I think it might be safe to assume we'll be seeing future Bioware games on the WiiU, as well as Battlefield games, Crysis/Farcry, EA's sport range, etc.

I believe that Assassin's Creed was also confirmed for the WiiU.

I'm not sure how the controller will feel (looks like it could be uncomfortable for conventional gaming, but we'll see) - but it looks like it should be able to handle all standard games via its joysticks/triggers, as well as a wide variety of weird and wacky titles.

The questions I am interested in relate to the fact that you can (thus far) only use one of the new controllers per console at once. Does this mean no split screen multiplayer on any standard games that would make use of the joysticks/triggers?

[naughty99]

gamer_girl wrote...

I think it's a great idea, because hardware wise it basically has everything. It's like I heard one dev say "it's the swiss army knife of controllers". It's not like devs have to utilize every single function in it, it just gives them more options and more opportunity for variety. Really what people care about is game quality. WiiU has the hardware to present great games, and most likely they'd be more affordable than PS3 and 360 both for the console and the games. I dunno why people have such a mad hate for it before they've even tried anything on it. Am I the only one who feels this way?

It seems interesting, but the screen on the controllers feels a bit gimmicky IMHO.

Also, the last console I owned was my trusty NES about 20 or more years ago, so I don't have any reference to compare with PS3 or Xbox, since I've never had any opportunity to play either of those either.

All I know is Xbox and PS3 are limited to 1280x720 max render resolution and the WiiiU is supposed to be 1920x1080 render resolution, so on paper it sounds like a much better product for someone in the market.

I'm fine with my laptop, however, so I have no plans to buy any consoles in the future.

[Bryy_Miller]

Weiser_Cain wrote...

Stop arguing with me by the wa

Really?

Really?

*gets popcorn*

[sympathy4saren]

I believe the perception of the Wii U is tarnished partly because of its odd name, and partly because of the reputation Nintendo has in the gaming market.

I understand that systems don't have the most articulate names, but I think most gamers like myself like and expect some sort of "professionalism and maturity" for the name of a hardware device that we can play games on.

"Playstation" is a general inference that isn't fancy, but it works well. X Box 360 has both a variable that infers its purpose and causal specifications of the hardware itself.

Wii U just sounds corny. It's almost gimmicky, imho. This immediately raises the eyebrows of gamers, who in general don't view gaming as a gimmick but a valid hobby of relaxation and artistic expression. There is a certain maturity level in general (obviously not exclusive) that Nintendo has catered to in the past and it for the most part doesn't correlate with mature gamers who grew up with Nintendo, like I have.

This intercedes seamlessly with the next point, which is of course Nintendo's market reputation.

It obviously is geared toward a younger crowd. I used to be a Nintendo loyalist, and while exclusives like Perfect Dark and Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem existed in the past, the market was dominated by so-called kid characters. And one that imo wasn't, which was Link, never evolved into a more mature character, along with that entire franchise, with those who love Zelda like I do. This alienated many fans, myself included.

One cannot argue with Wii's success financially, but the "hardcore" gaming market is now skeptical of Nintendo for the most part, although I have nostalgia moments personally and still view Ocarina of Time as the best game ever. When I see Wii U, I see on the cover that Nintendo isn't taking me seriously.

[Bryy_Miller]

sympathy4saren wrote...

I believe the perception of the Wii U is tarnished partly because of its odd name, and partly because of the reputation Nintendo has in the gaming market.

They have a pretty darn good reputation. I tend to think that it's more along the lines of the new generation has no idea that the SNES existed.

Seriously, some people defend Halo to the death as the game that started it all.

[Fidget6]

The Wii U looks friggin awesome from the trailer. Nintendo has never been afraid to experiment and try new innovative ways to interact with your games. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I've always given them kudos for that, and some of my most fond gaming moments have come from Nintendo, so I'll continue to support them.

[sympathy4saren]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

I believe the perception of the Wii U is tarnished partly because of its odd name, and partly because of the reputation Nintendo has in the gaming market.

They have a pretty darn good reputation. I tend to think that it's more along the lines of the new generation has no idea that the SNES existed.

Seriously, some people defend Halo to the death as the game that started it all.

I know, right? Like Halo: Combat Evolved was the definition of a fps. GoldenEye 007 started that. It saddened me some people never played or realize the existence of GoldenEye 007. You make good points.

I owned an original Nintendo and owned every console through the Game Cube.

Edit....GoldenEye obviously being N64, not SNES. My favorite Super NES games were A Link to the Past and Super Mario Kart.

Modifié par sympathy4saren, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:34 .

[naughty99]

sympathy4saren wrote...

I know, right? Like Halo: Combat Evolved was the definition of a fps. GoldenEye 007 started that. It saddened me some people never played or realize the existence of GoldenEye 007.

Not Doom and Wolfenstein?

[Boiny Bunny]

Fidget6 wrote...

The Wii U looks friggin awesome from the trailer. Nintendo has never been afraid to experiment and try new innovative ways to interact with your games. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but I've always given them kudos for that, and some of my most fond gaming moments have come from Nintendo, so I'll continue to support them.

Indeed - I think it was during the WiiU launch presentation, somebody was saying if you look at the DS, 3DS, Wii, and Wii U - they are all innovative - and each attempts to change the way games are played in a different manner. 
That isn't always a good thing - but I say kudos to Nintendo for not re-releasing the SNES 10 times in a row with no real difference other than improved graphics.

[Bryy_Miller]

zx2781 wrote...

Because i will never be able to play a decent RPG on it.

Funny. Just this week, I played Chrono Trigger, Final Fantasy 1 and 3, and Super Mario RPG on my Wii.

If the WiiU has a Virtual Console 2.0, then yes. Yes you will have RPGs worth a darn.

[Boiny Bunny]

naughty99 wrote...

sympathy4saren wrote...

I know, right? Like Halo: Combat Evolved was the definition of a fps. GoldenEye 007 started that. It saddened me some people never played or realize the existence of GoldenEye 007.

Not Doom and Wolfenstein?

I think Goldeneye is widely viewed to be the definative console FPS - the game that showed FPS's could work on a console (to that point, it was thought that controllers could never allow the reflex movements you need in a competitive FPS - which is still true to some extent).

Of course Wolfenstein and Doom were more or less the pre-cursors to all FPS games, PC or console.

[csfteeeer]

Because it's an Unnecessary Gimmick, that will probably be very expensive.

At this point, Nintendo is just too late for the Hardcore party, the technology of the PS3 and 360 is outdated now and the new gen will arrive in a couple, which will put Nintendo, AGAIN, behind.

which is bad because one the most common reasons as to why many third party games don't go to the wii is because it's very underpowered, and when the ps4 and x720(?) arrive, the WiiU will be underpowered again.

this is just a bad move, the only does the WiiU does that is even remotely special is the controller, Everything else has been done for Years by the other consoles.

Modifié par csfteeeer, 29 juillet 2011 - 12:55 .

[SOLID_EVEREST]

They have RARE, one of the greatest video game creators, making stupid Wii sports games. I mean talk about insanity with the amount of talent at that studio. Ever since the GameCube, like others mentioned, I lost all interest in Nintendo. The only thing I see that is worth anything on the Wii is Donkey Kong's return. I just don't see WiiU holding my interest with their lack of video game makers like Obsidian and others.

[Kidd]

sympathy4saren wrote...

It obviously is geared toward a younger crowd. I used to be a Nintendo loyalist, and while exclusives like Perfect Dark and Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem existed in the past, the market was dominated by so-called kid characters. And one that imo wasn't, which was Link, never evolved into a more mature character, along with that entire franchise, with those who love Zelda like I do. This alienated many fans, myself included.

There are kid games and kid-friendly games imho. Nintendo's games definitely fit into the second category. Mario might not have tons of blood in it, but it's not a game I will roll my eyes over since I'm too old for it like, say, Disney Princess: Enchanted Journey. Mario is a great game series and I love most of the installments in it =) I'd be pretty weirded out if Mario started cussing and crap all of a sudden, would come off as very forced and altogether odd ^^; In a way it'd feel -less- mature, really.

[naughty99]

csfteeeer wrote...

Everything else has been done for Years by the other consoles.

such as render games in 1080p?

isn't that the primary distinction and sellling point for this hardware?

Modifié par naughty99, 29 juillet 2011 - 01:33 .

[gamer_girl]

I don't get why people are so put off by innovation. It's not like the WiiU only has the new contoller (even though the controller pretty much has everything under the sun), it has classic controller, zappers, wii motes, etc all compatible with it. And it's better than just rehashing the same kind of gameplay and the same controller even with the only change being updated graphics *cough cough* playstation *cough cough*.

I also don't understand why people are still under the impression that it doesn't have 3rd party support. EA and Ubisoft both have a partnership with Nintendo and WiiU. Also, the Assassin's Creed game has been confirmed (and will NOT be Revelations - most likely a WiiU exclusive), Batman Arkham City is confirmed, and there's likely to be many more 3rd party games announced that we don't even know about yet. I wouldn't be surprised if Capcom an Square Enix were cooking things up for the WiiU as those 2 companies and Nintendo have always been working well together. I've also heard rumours that Rockstar was developing a game for WiiU. Possibly GTA5.

The last thing I don't understand is why people have such harsh opinions regarding Nintendo exclusives. Just because they're appropriate for children, doesn't mean they're suddenly not okay for adults to play. Not everything has to be full of violence, swearing, etc to be enjoyable.

Edit:
People who are complaining about the cost, sure it will likely be expensive, but the next gen xbox or playstation will be twice or maybe even three times the price. If there's one thing Nintendo isn't about it's greed. The President even talked about how Nintendo strives to make their products afforable.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 29 juillet 2011 - 01:53 .

[Turnip Root]

Am I the only one who thinks Nintendo has been going downhill ever since the Nintendo 64?

The Nintendo 64 was garbage. The number of good games for the system barely ranked into the double digits and Nintendo's decision to make it cartridge based is hands down the dumbest decision ever made by any company in the history of the gaming industry. Had it been any other company but Nintendo it would've killed them.
They had the chance to redeem themselves with the Gamecube but NOOOOO! They still had to be different with their limited mini disc thing and kiddie design which failed to win over major third party developers.

The Wii is utter trash. Sure it's got some good games but it was dated even before it came out. Even the original Xbox is more powerful than the Wii and the motion control gimmick only works well for a handful of games like Mario Galaxy and No More Heroes.

Most other games it feels tacked on and meaningless.

Modifié par Turnip Root, 29 juillet 2011 - 01:53 .

[Godak]

gamer_girl wrote...

I don't get why people are so put off by innovation.

It's not about being put off by a new control scheme, but how Nintendo chose to implement said control schemes. I think the waggle action should have been supplemental to the actual game experience, not the experience in its entirety.

Why? Because the Wii did not like itself. Honestly, I have played on several Wii consoles and, without Motion Plus, the sensor bar just tries to ruin your experience. Really, people are just reacting to Nintendo's track record with "innovation".

gamer_girl wrote...

It's not like the WiiU only has the new contoller (even though the controller pretty much has everything under the sun), it has classic controller, zappers, wii motes, etc all compatible with it. And it's better than just rehashing the same kind of gameplay and the same controller even with the only change being updated graphics *cough cough* playstation *cough cough*.

I hardly think you can accuse any other gaming platformer of being non-innovative, in content or control scheme. The 360, PS3, and PC platforms give developers far more freedom than Nintendo has given with the Wii. Look at PSN, XBL, or, say, Steam to get an idea of what I mean. I see far more games that take risks on those services. The majority of content on the Wii Store is VC content. Old games ported to the Wii.

gamer_girl wrote...

...and there's likely to be many more 3rd party games announced that we don't even know about yet.

I actually doubt that. Developers will likely see how core gamers react to the system before deciding to seriously make anything of note.

Fact is, Wii third party sales weren't that great, and Nintendo knows it.

Article. Source.

gamer_girl wrote...

The last thing I don't understand is why people have such harsh opinions regarding Nintendo exclusives. Just because they're appropriate for children, doesn't mean they're suddenly not okay for adults to play. Not everything has to be full of violence, swearing, etc to be enjoyable.

I love Zelda, Metrod, Mario, etc. I've just gotten...bored. Twilight Princess is pretty much the only Zelda game made in my life time that I could't finish. The Metroid Prime series played like a mediocre first person shooter. Mario Galaxy made me a bit nauseous (not a gameplay complaint, but still...XD).

This doesn't mean that I don't love these series, though. Majora's Mask remains one of my favorite games to date.

In a perfect world, Nintendo would always make AMAZING games. The problem is, I just don't think they have been. If they continue with the less than stellar first-party games, and mediocre third-party games, well...I just don't think that the direction they are going with the WiiU will pay off.

EDIT: That may not be a great source...you have the create an account to see more than an excerpt.

Modifié par Godak, 29 juillet 2011 - 02:14 .

[Turnip Root]

Nintendo really needs to make something new already and I'm not talking about hardware. When was the last time Nintendo came up with an original franchise?

Pikmin? No, those stupid Mii games don't count.

[Homebound]

nintendo loves selling gimmicky hardware. how many ds re-itterations have they come out with over the last 2 years for example?

i think people give the wii-u such a hard time because nintendo has spent time and effort to burn their consumers into buying a product to use another product that they never truly delivered on.

[Boiny Bunny]

Turnip Root wrote...

Nintendo really needs to make something new already and I'm not talking about hardware. When was the last time Nintendo came up with an original franchise?

Pikmin? No, those stupid Mii games don't count.

Indeed - I'd love to see a new franchise from Nintendo.  They are fairly masterful at the games they already produce, but would be nice to see something new - perhaps something a little bit more adult oriented.

Modifié par Boiny Bunny, 29 juillet 2011 - 02:24 .

[gamer_girl]

I think you underestimate how big it is that Ubisoft and EA are on board. Plus I can pretty much guarantee that at least Capcom and Square Enix will do something. When have they not done something on a Nintendo system?

[Turnip Root]

Boiny Bunny wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

Nintendo really needs to make something new already and I'm not talking about hardware. When was the last time Nintendo came up with an original franchise?

Pikmin? No, those stupid Mii games don't count.

Indeed - I'd love to see a new franchise from Nintendo.  They are fairly masterful at the games they already produce, but would be nice to see something new - perhaps something a little bit more adult oriented.

Hell Nintendo doesn't even want to make new games in their existing franchise.  Just look at The 3DS.  Mostly rehashes of old N64 games.  I've played them already and I'm not buying them again just to see them in 3D.