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[Turnip Root]

naughty99 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

If you're in it for the hardware then you should be dissapointed.  The Wii U will be released nearly 6 years after the PS3 and it's graphics are only marginally better.

I'm sorry, but in what universe is 1920x1080 resolution "marginally better" than 1280x720?

Once you have grown accustomed to gaming at 1080p or higher resolution, 720p becomes unacceptable. 

After 5 years I would expect more improvements than just higher resolution and so should you.

[naughty99]

Turnip Root wrote...

naughty99 wrote...

Turnip Root wrote...

If you're in it for the hardware then you should be dissapointed.  The Wii U will be released nearly 6 years after the PS3 and it's graphics are only marginally better.

I'm sorry, but in what universe is 1920x1080 resolution "marginally better" than 1280x720?

Once you have grown accustomed to gaming at 1080p or higher resolution, 720p becomes unacceptable. 

After 5 years I would expect more improvements than just higher resolution and so should you.

Consider the advances from DVD players to blu-ray. The larger media capacity allows for all sorts of extra features, online interactivity, etc., but the essential driving improvement is the advance to 1080p resolution and 7.1 sound.

Granted, going from 640x480 (NTSC) to 1920x1080 was a much bigger leap, but the essential factor for console users is still going to be the visual improvement in the games they play. 

[gamer_girl]

Personally I'm not much of a graphics hoe anyways. I don't see good graphics as necessary for me to enjoy a game. Do they make it somewhat better? Yes, but is it necessary? No. I like Nintendo because they've always given me games I enjoy playing. Doesn't matter if you can see the stitching on Mario's overalls, it's still fun to play.

And there are more improvements other than higher resolution. And if you're gonna complain about graphics being the only improvement anyways, go complain about Sony or Microsoft, cause Nintendo always likes to add something new. Improvement on the WiiU is that it supports pretty much every style of gameplay imaginable. Devs can create games with more freedom.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 29 juillet 2011 - 04:34 .

[Godak]

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Err, giving people the exact same thing they used last generation only with better graphics performance isn't "giving them the tools they need to innovate". That's remaining stagnant and relying on the developers simply coming up with stuff on their own. I'm not looking down on innovative developers who can take existing technology and make something new from it, far from it - I love it - but it's easier to make something truly new if you're working with new material.[/quote]

I know for a fact that Sony and Microsoft throw a lot of money at independent and up-and-coming developers. Summer of Arcade, XBL indie games, whatever Sony has....(I do not think it has an actual title, they just throw out money).

Also, it is practically a bald-faced lie to claim that all the 360 and PS3 did was an update in graphics performance. They helped (along with Steam, IMO) lead the charge in online connectivity and daily integration, something I find far more relevant and innovative than the Wii's motion controls (something that has existed in the arcade scene for some time).

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

It's kind of like cooking. Sure, it's possible to make a new kind of dish with the same meats you've worked with before. But imagine how much more easily you could find a new and good dish if you were to explore another country's food culture? =)[/quote]

Poor analogy. Using the same controller as an input mechanism does not mean that developers cannot come up with new and innovative ideas, nor does it disallow first-part companies support.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

And Nintendo did force people early on, both with Wii and DS, to horrendous results.[/quote]

Which is exactly why I am hesitant to blindly trust Nintendo with the WiiU.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

[...]but they couldn't be that good without the DS.[/quote]

You have absolutely no way of knowing that, though. You're making a completely baseless claim. Remember, someone else could quite possibly play the same Castlevania game and think, "Man, I really wish this was just on the Gameboy Advance. Things were much simpler on that thing!"

It's all a matter of perspective.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

[...]the overall shooting experience is simply the best console fps controls ever.[/quote]

Again, we have different opinions on the matter.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Not to mention how no Tales game has been able to allow you to map shortcuts to as many skills as Dawn of the New World on Wii. Why? Because they could use more things than just buttons, "move the wiimote to the side real quick" and "move the nunchuck down real quick" (etc) essentially became digital buttons, effectively giving a most traditionally controlled game like Tales traditional controls with access to tons and tons of "buttons". That isn't bad by any means.[/quote]

If I remember correctly, didn't Tales of the Abyss (on the PS2, no less) allow you to access additional commands with the R2 and L2 buttons, effectively tripling your available battle commands?

Again, this innovation is not caused by the controller itself, but by developers. Hardware is almost never the direct cause of innovation (indeed, what you just described sounds like the developers being forced into a non-ideal situation due to a lack of button-inputs on the Wiimote-Nunchuk control scheme).

[quote]KiddDaBeauty

Not to mention the game idea I immedietely came up with during the WiiU unvealing which I posted earlier in this thread. That game could not be created on any other home console and I've never played a game like it, yet I'm pretty sure it could be a lot of fun. Of course, due to the limitations of the WiiU I wasn't aware of during the conference, my game idea doesn't work anyway. But if the system had worked the way I thought it did, my game idea would've worked See how bringing new hardware ideas can bring us new software ideas?[/quote]

Was that the game that required multiple touchscreen controllers? I do not think developers would create a game that was so inherently expensive. At least, they haven't yet. As of right now, you can get a PSP for around $130. Sony tried to push for PSP and PS3 connectivity. Why didn't it happen? It's far too risky to develop a game that is 50+ dollars, and then, on top of that, you need each player to have an extra platform that is more expensive than the game itself.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Haha, I am not a fan of FPS games either. But Metroid Prime isn't really an fps so much as it's an adventure/exploration game simply seen in first person, so I liked it anyway =) [/quote]

It has exploration, sure. But you still shoot things in the first person perspective.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

If you ever get the chance to touch MP3 on Wii, I suggest you try it out. Probably not worth buying if you didn't like the GC predessecors, but it's an experience just to touch the very unique and well functioning control scheme. A console fps control scheme that allows you to jump and turn circles in the air without being incredibly inaccurate with small motions? Yes, it's possible =)[/quote]

We'll see. I'm hesitant to spend my money on games, ATM. College, and all.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

I'm guessing the "floaty" thing you refer to is the lag most games have when the game is trying to understand how you moved the wiimote. I always found that to be a huge limitation of the wiimote, as well [/quote]

I have heard that Red Steel 2 has made some strides in that regard, though. Maybe I should check that out...

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

<-- This video focuses on showing difference in control schemes, and you should be able to see the difference in how you are able to move with the two input devices pretty soon. So yeah, changing up our controllers is a good idea, you never know what you may stumble upon when doing so =)[/quote]

I have nothing against changing control schemes, and I think the touch screen is a brilliant idea. I do, however, think it is limiting to not give players so much as the option to have multiple touchscreen controllers synced to one console.

Anyway, I still hold that controllers are not the primary catalyst of innovation. It seems we disagree there, but...that's the beauty of life, eh? Different folks, different strokes.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Hope I'm not coming off as too militant btw, I don't mean to.[/quote]

No, I understand where you're coming from. I disagree, but I understand.

You know, on reflection, I feel that we're probably both right. It probably depends on the circumstances within an individual development studio.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Hey, you can grind while looking at Lu Bu's amazing hat? How is that bad? =D[/quote]

His breath smells so bad, though.

[quote]KiddDaBeauty wrote...
I believe it's because we don't let nostalgia cloud our judgement.... or is it? It feels good to imagine that's the reason anyway! I loved seeing NPCs have lives of their own through those three days. It's impossible to make game as detailed as that without mimicking MM entirely, sadly = But it was so great to walk out on the morning of the first day, see Kafei pick up a letter by 8... then the granny would go out for a walk toward the evening, and she'd get mugged by the thief who was sitting in ambush there when they met during the night... and by helping one person, you hindered another, cause everyone actually had real lives that functioned in an organic fashion... aaahh, I should replay this amazing game, the world felt so alive! =)
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Really, MM is perfect. We don't need any other gaming innovations.

Modifié par Godak, 29 juillet 2011 - 06:34 .

[gamer_girl]

Wii has online capabilities though, so to be fair, Wii had the first actual online gaming. And people complain about its quality, but the only game so far I've had issues with was Brawl, everything else is fine. Comparably it has the same amount of lag as the games I've played on my xbox. And you have to pay 60 fricken dollars/year to play on xbox where Wii offers it completely free. Not to mention you don't have to spill your entire identity to Nintendo which is a better security feature. I'd rather have a thousand friend codes than give Microsoft everything about me. They may as well be asking for my bloody SIN. <_<

Modifié par gamer_girl, 29 juillet 2011 - 06:47 .

[SafetyShattered]

Even though it will be slightly more powerful then ps3 or xbox 360 (very slightly) I have no intention of getting one because of the gimmick crap nintendo is obssessed with. The controller looks absolutely ridiculous first off, I just want a standard controller. And of course there terrible support of third party last generation was pathetic. If it has some excellent,mature, exclusive titles, then I might get it. If it just supports the usual kiddy craptastic games then I won't. I mean really how many "M" games did the Wii even have?

[gamer_girl]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Even though it will be slightly more powerful then ps3 or xbox 360 (very slightly) I have no intention of getting one because of the gimmick crap nintendo is obssessed with. The controller looks absolutely ridiculous first off, I just want a standard controller. And of course there terrible support of third party last generation was pathetic. If it has some excellent,mature, exclusive titles, then I might get it. If it just supports the usual kiddy craptastic games then I won't. I mean really how many "M" games did the Wii even have?

To say you can't enjoy a game just because it isn't rated M is ludicrous. Also there is a standard controller available called classic controller pro some of the games allow you to use the gamecube controller as a substitute for the Wii mote. But just to name a few M rated games on Wii anyways seeing as that's all that matters to you regardless of how fun the game is.

Gamefaqs top ten M games on Wii

Modifié par gamer_girl, 29 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[SafetyShattered]

^ I don't have to have M games. But I'm a 24 year old dude, I don't want to freaking play mario kart, or donkey kong or any other crap like that. I loved games like FF7, Legend of Dragoon, WKC, Valkyria Chronicles etc. Plus I played most of the games on your list, and I thought they sucked, just an fyi. I just prefer darker , more mature stories. But to each his own I guess.

Modifié par Shadowfang12, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:03 .

[SafetyShattered]

^^ And thank you for telling me that I can use a classic controller, I didn't know that.

[gamer_girl]

Shadowfang12 wrote...

^ I don't have to have M games. But I'm a 24 year old dude, I don't want to freaking play mario kart, or donkey kong or any other crap like that. I loved games like FF7, Legend of Dragoon, WKC, Valkyria Chronicles etc. Plus I played most of the games on your list, and I thought they sucked, just an fyi.

^^ And thank you for telling me that I can use a classic controller, I didn't know that.

Fair enough.

Haha no problem. Here's a list also of games that support the classic controller just so you don't go out and buy one expecting every game to support it haha.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:11 .

[SafetyShattered]

Link doesn't work, but thanks again for the help.

[gamer_girl]

Try opening this

Search for "List of Wii games that use the classic Controller"

Modifié par gamer_girl, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:12 .

[Joshp9690]

I can say without a doubt that, IMO, the WiiU's controller will suck.

[Godak]

gamer_girl wrote...

Wii has online capabilities though, so to be fair, Wii had the first actual online gaming.

The 360 came out in 2005, and the PS3 came out on November 11, 2006, 8 days before the Wii's launch.

gamer_girl wrote...

And people complain about its quality, but the only game so far I've had issues with was Brawl, everything else is fine. Comparably it has the same amount of lag as the games I've played on my xbox. And you have to pay 60 fricken dollars/year to play on xbox where Wii offers it completely free.

You can still access basic online features without shelling out any cash.

gamer_girl wrote...

Not to mention you don't have to spill your entire identity to Nintendo which is a better security feature. I'd rather have a thousand friend codes than give Microsoft everything about me. They may as well be asking for my bloody SIN. <_<

Amazon asks for personal information. Facebook asks for personal information (I hate it, though). Paypal asks for personal information. It tends to be how online services work. It's a caveat, but one you'll have to deal with if Nintendo ever intends on having a quality, unified online service.

[SOLID_EVEREST]

gamer_girl wrote...

Shadowfang12 wrote...

Even though it will be slightly more powerful then ps3 or xbox 360 (very slightly) I have no intention of getting one because of the gimmick crap nintendo is obssessed with. The controller looks absolutely ridiculous first off, I just want a standard controller. And of course there terrible support of third party last generation was pathetic. If it has some excellent,mature, exclusive titles, then I might get it. If it just supports the usual kiddy craptastic games then I won't. I mean really how many "M" games did the Wii even have?

To say you can't enjoy a game just because it isn't rated M is ludicrous. Also there is a standard controller available called classic controller pro some of the games allow you to use the gamecube controller as a substitute for the Wii mote. But just to name a few M rated games on Wii anyways seeing as that's all that matters to you regardless of how fun the game is.

Gamefaqs top ten M games on Wii

That list is terrible. Looks like just a rehash of already made games transported to the Wii. Only a few look like they were made on the Wii.

The ratings system is a freaking joke, though. You can kill people, but one glance at breasts will score the title an automatic "M" rating same with movies too.

[gamer_girl]

Godak wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Wii has online capabilities though, so to be fair, Wii had the first actual online gaming.

The 360 came out in 2005, and the PS3 came out on November 11, 2006, 8 days before the Wii's launch.

gamer_girl wrote...

And people complain about its quality, but the only game so far I've had issues with was Brawl, everything else is fine. Comparably it has the same amount of lag as the games I've played on my xbox. And you have to pay 60 fricken dollars/year to play on xbox where Wii offers it completely free.

You can still access basic online features without shelling out any cash.

gamer_girl wrote...

Not to mention you don't have to spill your entire identity to Nintendo which is a better security feature. I'd rather have a thousand friend codes than give Microsoft everything about me. They may as well be asking for my bloody SIN. <_<

Amazon asks for personal information. Facebook asks for personal information (I hate it, though). Paypal asks for personal information. It tends to be how online services work. It's a caveat, but one you'll have to deal with if Nintendo ever intends on having a quality, unified online service.

Oh I don't know why I was under the impression that Wii came first...

Basic online features to Microsoft means oh you can do everything EXCEPT the main reason people usually want to go online in the first place: play with friends.

Amazon asks for personal info for a good reason. How do you expect them to send crap to you without your info? Facebook has no excuse in my opinion - they shouldn't ask for as much as they do. Paypal asks for personal info for a good reason too - it should be absolutely certain that the person is who they claim to be. But xbox does't really have a solid reason to ask for all that info. It's ridiculous.

[KenKenpachi]

Ah well Gamer Girl keep defending them.
Pft Mega 64 makes my point, no matter how deranged, or ill conceived it might be.

[chunkyman]

The Wii seems way to gimmicky for me to take seriously, and most of the games look bland.

[gamer_girl]

KenKenpachi wrote...

Ah well Gamer Girl keep defending them.
Pft Mega 64 makes my point, no matter how deranged, or ill conceived it might be.

Haha I adore Mega64. I understand why people are skeptical about the WiiU, I just think they should reserve their judgement for when they actually try it.

[wolfsite]

Honestly this is another example of something you have to try before giving an opinion rather than spewing nonsense after doing a quick 5 minute search of someone elses opinion. (This in not at everybody just a select one or two)

-The final System specs have not been released

-No price point, announcements

- No launch title announcements

- The controller is still in development and may change from the input they got at E3 and other trade shows.

Most people wrote off the Wii when it was released and look what happenned there.

Nintendo will have  aharder sell with this system since it is much mor drastic however the Tablet style controller may appeal to people now that we have Tablet PC's and Android/Ipads becoming more popular.

[J0HNL3I]

The wii isn't a games console, its a party game, plus i can't think of anyother games for it apart from sports, the party games, mario and sonic.

[Turnip Root]

When was the last time the Wii actually had a good game released for it?

Sonic Colours? Donkey Kong Country Returns? Those were all from last year. The Wii has a serious droubt of good games.

It may be able to compete with the PS3 and 360 for a little while but even if it can beat those it will get absolutely clobbered by Sony and Microsoft's successors.

[Chromie]

Turnip Root wrote...

When was the last time the Wii actually had a good game released for it?

Sonic Colours? Donkey Kong Country Returns? Those were all from last year. The Wii has a serious droubt of good games.

It may be able to compete with the PS3 and 360 for a little while but even if it can beat those it will get absolutely clobbered by Sony and Microsoft's successors.

Isn't the Wii still outseliing both the 360 and PS3? (not sure too lazy to google) If it takes a whole new generation to actually ousell the Wii does that not mean Nintendo did really well for itself?

[Boiny Bunny]

Had a quick look around online, found some stats:

Wii sales are approx 87.57 million, 360 are 55 million, PS3 are 51.8 million. Also, every console that Nintendo sell, they make profit on. Every console that Microsoft and Sony sell, they make a loss on, and make it up with game sales.

Also, looks like the DS has sold more than double what the PSP managed - again with Nintendo making a profit on each unit sold, Sony taking a loss.

[KenKenpachi]

See thats one point I won't say isn't so. The WII Is doing Fantastic in sales, better than anything Nintendo has EVER had hands down. Problem is it just isn't a "gaming" system. Its a good party system or something for urbanites into trends to buy, or even get a little fit in a manner. But its clear nintendo is kicking the old fans to the curb side. Which seems to be working for them.
I onl worry about the trend of other companies making a copy of that formula. I think once more Mega 64  Hits the issue on the head in a manner.
Not that I give a **** about sitting, its jut the stories, the controls, concepts all are going out. Whats funny is once all the hypsters and what not find a new "fix". Nintendo might take one hell of a fall. Ah well. Least Nintendo is going back to a controller. So who knows.