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[contextual_entity]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Meh. It's more of the same of  Dragon Age 2, and as you seem to only have mildly enjoyed that game I don't think paying more money for it is a salutary idea, do you?

Well, I wouldn't be actually 'paying' anything exactly, as I have the points already, it's just a case of whether to get this particular DLC or wait for another.

Edit: Bioware points. Probably worth noting as I can only get Bioware DLC, otherwise I'd probably have got Old World Blues already.

Zjarcal wrote...
It also depends on why you didn't like DA2. If your issues were stuff like the recycled locations and the excessive use of illogical waves (and the other consequences of it being rushed), you'll appreciate Legacy. Legacy is essentially a polished DA2, what DA2 would've been had it not been rushed. So if your issues with DA2 where mostly due to its rushed nature, Legacy is the DLC for you.

On the other hand, if your issues with DA2 are about its fundamental design, this won't turn you around, as it's still DA2, just with much more polish.

Closer to the former. It certainly seems address two of my issues with the game, but my big one (aka. the storytelling) seems to be all over the place in terms of feedback.

FYI: I liked the premise of DA2, I just thought the story was told poorly. Some of the individual quest lines were quite good, but Hawke's overall story felt haphazard and incomplete.

Modifié par Amitar, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:31 .

[Jonp382]

Amitar wrote...

Closer to the former. It certainly seems address two of my issues with the game, but my big one (aka. the storytelling) seems to be all over the place in terms of feedback.

I wouldn't say Legacy's story is bad. But it's not going to change your life either.

[Zjarcal]

Amitar wrote...

Closer to the former. It certainly seems address two of my issues with the game, but my big one (aka. the storytelling) seems to be all over the place in terms of feedback.

Hmm, well it's hard to give you something definitive here since what one thinks of the story (and storytelling) is quite subjective. I really liked the story in Legacy, both the main story itself and the side bits involved. The lore was nicely explained in a lot of interesting codex entries and the story just flowed very smoothly and nice for me.

I wouldn't necessarily say it's a grandiose story or anything, but I do think the storytelling itself was better than in DA2.

Of course, those are just my two cents.

[Rune Lai]

Since you already have the points spent, I'd go ahead and get this one. Realistically speaking, if this DLC, the highest production value of any done for Dragon Age (considering the all new locations, new/redesigned enemies, all the returning voice actors) doesn't sell, there probably won't be other DLC buy, unless you expect to do so for ME3. Some people only play DA and not ME, so I don't know if ME DLC will be a future option for you.

The people who complain about this not being worth $10 likely don't know all the work involved in making something like this DLC and I'd wager they have never worked for a game company where they can freak out over how much things cost (especially voice talent, and the fact that Bioware paid for a bunch of new lines for all the party members and as many lines as they did amazes me).

If you liked the original DA:O, for lore/plot reasons I think you'll enjoy this. The story is a little slow to get going, but speeds up about a third of the way in, and once I was at the end I was very satisfied. I suggest not reading the spoilers if you haven't already. The lore nerd in me was very, very happy.

[In Exile]

Amitar wrote...
Closer to the former. It certainly seems address two of my issues with the game, but my big one (aka. the storytelling) seems to be all over the place in terms of feedback.

What do you think about some DA:O lore?

Are you interesting in learning more about the golden city, the potential origins of the blight, and tidbits about the relationship between the dwarves, magic and the Grey Wardens? 

Keeping in mind all of this is restricted relative to the size of the DLC. But honestly, legacy made me wish that it's story was the story for the main game. 

Modifié par In Exile, 29 juillet 2011 - 02:58 .

[RedWulfi]

Loved it more than the main game.
I LOVE lore and the entire DLC gave me many questions that were all answered right at the end
Final boss was a challenge too. The falling objects and flames gave it tension. You had to constantly keep moving and not just stand there attacking. (A bit like a boss in WoW) if you didnt move you would die very quickly.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

IMO
its the best DA DLC yet

[JarBasedKarate]

1. Do I have $10 dollars?
2. Do I also know that Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2 + expansions, and TWEE are all on GOG for $10 as well?

If your answer to the first question is "yes" and your answer to the second question is "no," check Legacy out.

[Mad Method]

Amitar wrote...

Well, I wouldn't be actually 'paying' anything exactly, as I have the Bioware points already, it's just a case of whether to get this particular DLC or wait for another. It certainly seems address two of my issues with the game, but my big one (aka. the storytelling) seems to be all over the place in terms of feedback.

FYI: I liked the premise of DA2, I just thought the story was told poorly. Some of the individual quest lines were quite good, but Hawke's overall story felt haphazard and incomplete.

If storytelling is a big point for you, then pass on this. The DLC does put some effort into storytelling, but none of it stands out, and a good bunch of it will make you scratch your head. This is just going to leave you unsatisfied, and you're not going to lose out for skipping this rather forgettable DLC. Then again, knowing Bioware's DLC track record, it's quite possible there won't be anything better to spend those points on.

JarBasedKarate, the thing is, he has Bioware points, and he can't spend those on anything better.

Modifié par Mad Method, 04 août 2011 - 05:21 .

[ademska]

if you enjoyed the companion cast of da2 and primarily took issue with the gameplay, recycled environments, and lack of polish, you will absolutely enjoy Legacy. there's a solid half hour of party banter, and hawke is a lot more involved in them than in vanilla da2. the gameplay itself, as far as interaction with environments and enemy behavior go, feels a lot more like origins.

if you do decide to get it, the best party to bring content-wise is your sibling, varric, and either anders or your romance. the best time to do it across gameplay and storyline is early act 3. and this is my personal opinion, but sarcastic!hawke has the best back-and-forth.

edit: for what it's worth, the narrative generally felt more cohesive than da2's, and if you're interested not only in a juicy expansion of thedas lore but perhaps a more personal connection to hawke, Legacy might do it for you. you're not going to get a consensus view on the story itself because a) that's a subjective measure and  many people on this board have already made up their minds about hawke as a protagonist, and Legacy wasn't going to fix that.

i'm a huge da2-lover, so my word won't necessarily carry much weight to someone lukewarm on it, but the general board consensus even among people who disliked da2 is that Legacy was a big improvement and well worth the money.

Modifié par ademska, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:59 .

[TEWR]

my blog has a non-spoiler review of Legacy. I thought the story was great for the DLC.


http://social.biowar...83/blog/208769/

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:02 .

[Forsoothe]

I'm not wearing pants! Neehaw!

[Heather Cline]

yes you should get it. It's on par with Lair of the Shadow Broker from ME2. It's everything DA2 should have been with moral choices towards the end, with varying environments.

Don't get me wrong. I enjoyed DA2 immensely but I can see where other people got angry and upset about the re-used environments and the choices you made not having any long reaching effects throughout the main story no matter what you did the outcome was always the same.

But yes you should get it.

[Salaya]

In Exile wrote...

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Keeping in mind all of this is restricted relative to the size of the DLC. But honestly, legacy made me wish that it's story was the story for the main game. 

This.

If Legacy has something bad, its short lenght T_T

[Icinix]

I think it did a lot to get some key elements of the DA series back on track, or at least the more interesting parts.

I didn't hate DA2, but I found it really mediocre and lacking in a lot of areas - I got legacy because of a lot of the positive comments I read about it, and although I wouldn't say it FIXED a lot of what I struggled with in DA2 - it certainly did enough to make you wonder why they didn't run with the ideas more in the first place.

Theres a good chunk of hidden / off to the side things to discover, it delves a little more into the lore, and its also nice to finally get some family based dialogue that makes you actually go "Oh yeah, I had a family, shame they were only used as a cheap plot device in DA2, they could have been this much more involved and interesting."

So yeah - give it a go - it is a little steeply priced for DLC - but it did just enough that its pushed the future of DA back onto my "Yeah, I might pick future games / dlc up" pile - as opposed to my "Think I'm done with this series" pile.

[contextual_entity]

JarBasedKarate wrote...

2. Do I also know that Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2 + expansions, and TWEE are all on GOG for $10 as well?

I think the better question would be "do I already own and have completed all those games multiple times?" To which the answer is decidely "yes."

[Realmzmaster]

JarBasedKarate wrote...

1. Do I have $10 dollars?
2. Do I also know that Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2 + expansions, and TWEE are all on GOG for $10 as well?

If your answer to the first question is "yes" and your answer to the second question is "no," check Legacy out.

Yes I have $10.00. Yes, I know those other games are $10.00 on GOG, but since I own all the originals I do not need them, so I bought Legacy. Also while those others are excellent games. The pace of combat and tedious (at times) D & D mechanics may turn some gamers off.

[Icinix]

Realmzmaster wrote...

JarBasedKarate wrote...

1. Do I have $10 dollars?
2. Do I also know that Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2 + expansions, and TWEE are all on GOG for $10 as well?

If your answer to the first question is "yes" and your answer to the second question is "no," check Legacy out.

Yes I have $10.00. Yes, I know those other games are $10.00 on GOG, but since I own all the originals I do not need them, so I bought Legacy. Also while those others are excellent games. The pace of combat and tedious (at times) D & D mechanics may turn some gamers off.

And some very much on.

[Apathy1989]

Mad Method wrote...

The biggest problem with Legacy is how Bioware has the gall to nickel and dime people for it.

Aside from that, having watched a LP, I can say it has poor writing, lousy plot, uninspired combat, and a lot of linear level design. It also has minor storytelling throughout the dungeon, adds a lot of banters - some of which vary based on your circumstances, has some party-member specific cutscenes, worked in some puzzle content, tries to break up the flow a bit for less monotony, and did away with skydiving enemies in favor of allowing you to actually manage a battle. They even added traps either side can activate and a few different enemies as something to pay attention to. All in all 2½ hours of content, give or take. If you want to get the most party member content, then your party setup should be Carver/Bethany, Varric, and Anders.

I'd say the DLC doesn't improve on DA2. It just doesn't stoop to its worst failures. At most it's decent, but if you were to compare this DLC to all the other horrible DA DLC, which is what just about everyone on these boards would do, then I guess this would look amazing. Either way, if you don't mind paying for the DLC, it still isn't worth a full $10. Not from what I've seen.

This is probably fair. Its the best DLC so far for DAO or DA2. Its not LotSB though. My favourite thing about Legacy is the voice acting for everyone, and inclusion of more enemies.

ME2 quest DLC is in its own league.

[Cutlass Jack]

Amitar wrote...

JarBasedKarate wrote...

2. Do I also know that Planescape: Torment, Deus Ex, Baldur's Gate 2 + expansions, and TWEE are all on GOG for $10 as well?

I think the better question would be "do I already own and have completed all those games multiple times?" To which the answer is decidely "yes."

Good man.

Besides, last I looked, GOG didn't let you pay in Bioware points.

[Mike Laidlaw]

Mr.House wrote...

FieryDove wrote...
Why can't the junk be changed to coins? Death to junk/trash loot!  Sigh

It's a staple of the series.

For now. I would not be so sure in the future.

[Maugrim]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

FieryDove wrote...
Why can't the junk be changed to coins? Death to junk/trash loot!  Sigh

It's a staple of the series.

For now. I would not be so sure in the future.

Curiously I did not mind the junk loot in Origins where each piece at least had a different icon to look at and a description.  I mean ultimately it all boils down to the same thing, the stuff I delete or sell with no thought but somehow the execution came off better in Origins.

[John Epler]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

FieryDove wrote...
Why can't the junk be changed to coins? Death to junk/trash loot!  Sigh

It's a staple of the series.

For now. I would not be so sure in the future.

What Mike doesn't mention is that, in the future, the junk loot will glom together, Katamari Damacy style, and be useable as a special attack.

[syllogi]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

FieryDove wrote...
Why can't the junk be changed to coins? Death to junk/trash loot!  Sigh

It's a staple of the series.

For now. I would not be so sure in the future.

You do realize this quote will make people very uneasy.

[Icinix]

JohnEpler wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

FieryDove wrote...Why can't the junk be changed to coins? Death to junk/trash loot!  Sigh

It's a staple of the series.

For now. I would not be so sure in the future.

What Mike doesn't mention is that, in the future, the junk loot will glom together, Katamari Damacy style, and be useable as a special attack.

But will that be as awesome as Two Worlds endless stick mergering?