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[TEWR]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

Bad dlc for a bad game. Whoop-de-doo.

And this.

Don't think we'll see another ( 'ambitious' ) DLC/expansion for this game either way. Dragon Age 2 has already been bashed to death.

What does that have to do with anything? Legacy has been generally well recieved, and the only reason they would stop making DLC is if this one bombed hard.

Generally well-received? Only on these forums, and it's already been established that these forums only offer a small percentage of the entire fanbase. Just look at the gamespot forums or dragon age wiki where nearly all the threads are about how DA2 legacy was a massive letdown. (albeit they are only a small percentage, too...)

And it's entirely possible those people commenting on there are also commenting on here, reducing how big a percentage it is. If those people are saying it's bad on here and on there, then there really isn't any new information. It's just people making their dislike of the DLC known to the world in all forms.

[In Exile]

[quote]Alright-Television wrote...
I suppose it was too busy fleshing out the politics between Ferelden and Orlais to tell a story about how the Warden and Alistair reminiscense together with Wynne and Dog. There's a story in RtO, I just have a feeling it's not the kind of story you wanted. [/quote]

It did none of these things. It gave you some codex entries about Cailian & Empress Celene. If that counts as story, then DA2 had a "story" in the Band of 3 codex entries. 

Legacy was far and above the kind of crap RtO served.

[quote]You're not really sent to recover Cailan's corpse, you're sent to recover his sword and armor as well as the secret correspondence between him and the empress. It's disappointing that it's not brought up again in the game but it does make Loghain a bit less stupid. Incidentally, Legacy is also really about salvaging a poorly written character: Hawke. [/quote]

LOL. No. Legacy was about discovering more of the lore regarding the Black City, the origins of the Darkspawn, the power of the old gods, and the nature of the taint. 

Oh, and killing Darkspawn. Fancy that.[/quote]

Yes, funny how RtO and Legacy both involve killing darkspawn.

[quote]edit: Also, if people haven't said bad things about the Origins DLCs then we've been hanging around on different parts of the internet, my friend. Granted, I prefer the Origins combat system an awful lot more, but... well, that's that.
[/quote]

That you prefer DA:O's combat doesn't mean that's a point that counts in favour of the design. It just means you can say "Well, there was a lot of combat but I liked that so it's OK". 

[Dandynermite]

keginkc wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Generally well-received? Only on these forums

Yeah, 'cause the social network is always a bastion of positive energy.  Rainbows and cotton candy.  And unicorns in pink ribbons.  Just fanboys holding hands and singing songs.

Put a negative thread up about Bioware and watch hundreds of Bioware Defence Force members attack it, these forums are 90% Bioware+ for anything they do. I'm the only person I know in real-life on these forums, but I have lots of friends that play Dragon Age 2 and have this dlc (how I sampled it, not even going to go into the reasons why I wouldn't buy it) and all bar one hate the game and the dlc (yet they all buy it... fools) and keep giving the game another chance, so from my group its strongly badly recieved, and that means its not generally-well recieved, and therefore he's correct and it's only generally recieved in these forums

[MorrigansLove]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

Gunderic wrote...

BounceDK wrote...

Bad dlc for a bad game. Whoop-de-doo.

And this.

Don't think we'll see another ( 'ambitious' ) DLC/expansion for this game either way. Dragon Age 2 has already been bashed to death.

What does that have to do with anything? Legacy has been generally well recieved, and the only reason they would stop making DLC is if this one bombed hard.

Generally well-received? Only on these forums, and it's already been established that these forums only offer a small percentage of the entire fanbase. Just look at the gamespot forums or dragon age wiki where nearly all the threads are about how DA2 legacy was a massive letdown. (albeit they are only a small percentage, too...)

And it's entirely possible those people commenting on there are also commenting on here, reducing how big a percentage it is. If those people are saying it's bad on here and on there, then there really isn't any new information. It's just people making their dislike of the DLC known to the world in all forms.

How are you so sure of that? Is it just assumption, or is it a statement?

[TEWR]

In Exile, your post made me shed tears of joy.

[TEWR]

MorrigansLove wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And it's entirely possible those people commenting on there are also commenting on here, reducing how big a percentage it is. If those people are saying it's bad on here and on there, then there really isn't any new information. It's just people making their dislike of the DLC known to the world in all forms.

How are you so sure of that? Is it just assumption, or is it a statement?

I said it's possible. If possible now means that I'm saying it's fact, then the definition must've been changed without me knowing.



I am in a very snarky mood today.

[Addai]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I didn't like DA2, and I have very few reasons to replay it. Yet I was able to judge Legacy fairly. Maybe I'm the exception and not the rule. I don't know. DA2 the base game is mediocre, but Legacy is amazing.

Amazing?    Okay.  But keep in mind, just because someone overall rates the DLC negatively, that doesn't mean they aren't being fair.  Their opinion may just differ from yours.

I think it's a well-made DLC, and it would be rewarding if you liked DA2's style and cared about Hawke or Anders.  I don't think it substantially alters the slapdash-ness or cartooniness of the base game, however.

Modifié par Addai67, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:16 .

[MorrigansLove]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And it's entirely possible those people commenting on there are also commenting on here, reducing how big a percentage it is. If those people are saying it's bad on here and on there, then there really isn't any new information. It's just people making their dislike of the DLC known to the world in all forms.

How are you so sure of that? Is it just assumption, or is it a statement?

I said it's possible. If possible now means that I'm saying it's fact, then the definition must've been changed without me knowing.



I am in a very snarky mood today.

That was entirely my bad. Sorry. And don't worry about it, I'm in a snarky mood nearly every day.

Modifié par MorrigansLove, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:18 .

[TEWR]

I didn't like Hawke either. Anders was a meh character overall for me in DA2, as he's just a massive hypocrite imo (apparently I should trust an abomination that's killed people before more than Merrill the Blood Mage who hasn't harmed anyone in her life).

But, I did like him in this DLC.

[TEWR]

MorrigansLove wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

And it's entirely possible those people commenting on there are also commenting on here, reducing how big a percentage it is. If those people are saying it's bad on here and on there, then there really isn't any new information. It's just people making their dislike of the DLC known to the world in all forms.

How are you so sure of that? Is it just assumption, or is it a statement?

I said it's possible. If possible now means that I'm saying it's fact, then the definition must've been changed without me knowing.



I am in a very snarky mood today.

That was entirely my bad. Sorry. And don't worry about it, I'm in a snarky mood nearly every day.

It's okay, I forgive you


I'm usually incredibly snarky to the friends I hang out with in my city. It's rare that I'm snarky on the forums.

[Alright-Television]

In Exile wrote...

It did none of these things. It gave you some codex entries about Cailian & Empress Celene. If that counts as story, then DA2 had a "story" in the Band of 3 codex entries.

The story of RtO: The Warden and friends run back to Ostagar to get back things. The Warden and friends comment on things they get back.

I did say it wasn't a very good story.

LOL. No. Legacy was about discovering more of the lore regarding the Black City, the origins of the Darkspawn, the power of the old gods, and the nature of the taint.

Lore dump. Your party comments on it. How is this complicated?

Also yes, Legacy is so much about BioWare trying to make Hawke seem interesting. Trouble is, they should've stuck this into DA2. If Hawke's blood and ancestry was so special all along why are we learning about it now? Legacy is a patch to fix the bug known as "DA2's story didn't hold up but Hawke is actually a very important character".

Yes, funny how RtO and Legacy both involve killing darkspawn.

So glad we agree. Let's form a club.

That you prefer DA:O's combat doesn't mean that's a point that counts in favour of the design. It just means you can say "Well, there was a lot of combat but I liked that so it's OK".

Yeah, but we who liked Origins provided arguments so until further notice we've won.

Joke. (Kind of.)

[Giantdeathrobot]

 I am also baffled by people saying it's ''just'' combat with some dialog spruced in. Because Bioware has been doing just that ever since Baldur's Gate 1. Seriously. ALL Bioware games are a series of combat encounters where you sometimes stop to chat, equip items, level up, ect, Origins very much included (there are probably more dialog in Legacy than in any part of Origin's main story, especially the Deep Roads and Haven/Urn Temple). It's usually well done, so I am not compaining at all, but that's what it is. Or did you people expect that they would change their entire business model for one DLC?

[keginkc]

Dandynermite wrote...


Put a negative thread up about Bioware and watch hundreds of Bioware Defence Force members attack it, these forums are 90% Bioware+ for anything they do.

Oh yeah, that's the social network.  90% positive.

[Night Prowler76]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Addai67 wrote...


DAO DLC has been trashed aplenty, most of it deserved.  RtO was not just about killing darkspawn, however.  It was an introduction to the idea of intelligent darkspawn (the necromancer) and it brought in the stuff on Cailan and Celene.  Now, Darkspawn Chronicles was definitely a mindless DLC and so was Golems of Amgarrak, which had a story but not one that made much sense.

Naturally if you don't like DA2, you're going to judge Legacy more harshly.  I don't care about Hawke, so the story has little appeal or impact.  I'm not playing the game anymore so I don't care about the loot.  Having to grind away at Corypheus for the little payback in lore and story apart from these things is not fun.  I don't think the story makes much sense, either.  I put it in Golems of Amgarrak category- it is well made and it has a story, but makes the most sense as a meaningless dungeon crawl.

I didn't like DA2, and I have very few reasons to replay it. Yet I was able to judge Legacy fairly. Maybe I'm the exception and not the rule. I don't know. DA2 the base game is mediocre, but Legacy is amazing.

Amazing? Gamespot users rated it in the mid 60's lol If you think it was amazing, I take pity on you.

[John Epler]

Let's remember that opinions are not facts, and if you disagree with someone - do so respectfully.

Civility is not a challenging concept.

[TEWR]

JohnEpler wrote...


Civility is not a challenging concept.

On here, you know that's not true.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:28 .

[Alright-Television]

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

(there are probably more dialog in Legacy than in any part of Origin's main story

This is just flat out wrong and you should know that.

edit: Civility is an interesting concept that I am afraid seem to differ from person to person, especially in connection with frivolous discussion.

Modifié par Alright-Television, 31 juillet 2011 - 08:32 .

[Addai]

Filament wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

But keep in mind, just because someone overall rates the DLC negatively, that doesn't mean they aren't being fair.

Just because they rate it positively doesn't mean they're giving it "handicap points."

True, I was referring to the "it's the best DLC Bioware ever made!!!" type of comments.  Because even looking at it as generously as I can, that seems... exaggerated.

[John Epler]

Alright-Television wrote...

Giantdeathrobot wrote...

(there are probably more dialog in Legacy than in any part of Origin's main story

This is just flat out wrong and you should know that.

edit: Civility is an interesting concept that I am afraid seem to differ from person to person, especially in connection with frivolous discussion.

In this case, I would define civility as 'disagreeing respectfully.' If you disagree, explain why! And avoid ad hominems, straw men or any of the other oft-used methods of turning a discussion into 'NO YOU!', as these forums so often seem to do. Loaded words, aggressive language and subtle insults are anathema to a civil debate.

[Alright-Television]

I humbly suggest making that a popup box that appear every time you enter the forum.

[Cutlass Jack]

Addai67 wrote...

True, I was referring to the "it's the best DLC Bioware ever made!!!" type of comments.  Because even looking at it as generously as I can, that seems... exaggerated.

Doesn't feel that exaggarated to me. LotSB is the only other Bioware DLC  I consider on par with Legacy. But they both excell in very different ways.

Which, of course, is not remotely saying its the best DLC ever made by anyone. Or that Bioware set the bar overly high on prior DA DLCs.

[Atakuma]

It seems to me that a lot of people had very unrealistic expectations for legacy. If you didn't like the core design of DA2(combat, art style, etc.), then of course you aren't going to like Legacy.

[axl99]

Gamespot isn't the end all be all of reviews.

If no one wants to bother actually purchasing the DLC to play it but just wanna know if it's really any good, there are plenty of livestream and gameplay vids to go through. Of course that's spoiler territory, but some people really don't care do they?

[Duncaaaaaan]

We're dealing with a site that gave Tony Hawk pro skater a 10/10 here guys.

Don't trust review websites, put your faith in the user scores, the calculated average is always correct.