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[lizzbee]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

lizzbee wrote...

Wait, what?  Testing on multiple machines is Bioware's job, not a reviewer's!  Your contention shows a remarkable ignorance of not just the industry, but magazine, blog and online publishing as a whole.  Very few publications have full in-house staff and testing labs to be able to carry out the same kind of QC you'd expect of, well, the game developer. 

If a reviewer is going to copy and paste the review for both the PC and X-Box versions, he should check to see if those bugs happen on both a PC and an X-Box. That would be his job.

I just watched the associated video, and the audio does sound awful!  I'm gathering from the interface that it's the X-Box version.  I had worse audio playing the DLC on my PC until I made a number of tweaks.  I'm not seeing that "testing" is necessary in this case.  Clearly, audio can be a problem on both platforms.

Modifié par lizzbee, 01 août 2011 - 12:51 .

[mesmerizedish]

Zjarcal wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

True, I was referring to the "it's the best DLC Bioware ever made!!!" type of comments.  Because even looking at it as generously as I can, that seems... exaggerated.

Tis a subjective issue. To me it's definitely the best DA DLC of the entire series (better than all the DAO DLCs combined) and it rivals LotSB as the overall best. And no, I ain't exaggerating, that's how I feel.

Lair of the Shadow Broker is overrated. Legacy is the best DLC I've ever played, period. It unseated Knights of the Nine for that (irrational anit-mer propaganda aside; Pelenal Whitestrake was a psychopathic mass murderer, not a hero /endrant).

[tmp7704]

Yrkoon wrote...

For what its worth, the  Metacritic Reviews are  coming in as well.

For Xbox

For PC.

Slightly different user scores, but both in the  "mixed reception" range.

Hmm thought it'd score higher than that. Granted, it does suffer from DA2 shortcomings (for these who view some parts as shortcomings) but it does appear there was plenty of effort put into making it. More perhaps than the base game received. So it's probably pretty discouraging to see these scores.

[Rafficus III]

I disagree with Gamespot on this one. I did not suffer a single glitch through the three times I have played it, nor crackling audio sounds. Ord is a Dark Souls fan boy, thus why he describes battles as too easy or not challenging enough. I'm not knocking the guy, but I think based on the videos I have seen from him he seems a tad biased; especially in ME1's review.

[K_Tabris]

The review seemed to be a hastily done bash-job from someone who didn't care for DA 2 to begin with. I didn't encounter any bugs, the final battle was not broken, nor did we encounter recycled environments (unlike DA:O dlc). Legacy was fun, rich with new party banter, provided greater backstory on the Hawke family, and I can't wait to replay it.

Legacy does't quite match the Shadow Broker dlc in epicness, although it is close.

[Zjarcal]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

True, I was referring to the "it's the best DLC Bioware ever made!!!" type of comments.  Because even looking at it as generously as I can, that seems... exaggerated.

Tis a subjective issue. To me it's definitely the best DA DLC of the entire series (better than all the DAO DLCs combined) and it rivals LotSB as the overall best. And no, I ain't exaggerating, that's how I feel.

Lair of the Shadow Broker is overrated. Legacy is the best DLC I've ever played, period. It unseated Knights of the Nine for that (irrational anit-mer propaganda aside; Pelenal Whitestrake was a psychopathic mass murderer, not a hero /endrant).

Yeah... no.

I hate the concept of something being "overrated". Why do you say I am overrating LotSB? I actually do think it's amazing. If I were lying and saying it's amazing but I didn't think really think that, fine, then I would be overrating it. But as it is I am certainly NOT overrating it.

If you don't like it, that's more than fine though, I certainly don't care if others don't like it.

[Ryzaki]

Eh I liked Legacy more than LotSB. At least Legacy didn't railroad my Hawke into being friends with one of the party members.

[mesmerizedish]

Zjarcal wrote...

Yeah... no.

I hate the concept of something being "overrated". Why do you say I am overrating LotSB? I actually do think it's amazing. If I were lying and saying it's amazing but I didn't think really think that, fine, then I would be overrating it. But as it is I am certainly NOT overrating it.

If you don't like it, that's more than fine though, I certainly don't care if others don't like it.

I don't say you're overrating LotSB.

I say that the entire body of regard for LotSB is disproportionate to its quality, just like Forrest Gump and Planes, Trains, and Automobiles.

Regardless, the comment wasn't directed at anyone

[Never]

I think it was great. The only thing I would change would be the beginning. A tiny introduction would have been nice.

[stewie1974]

My only niggle is not being attacked by the carta to lead into the story, would have been nice if when you looked at the statue to start the game, the dropped through the skylights or kicked in your doors...

[Terryballer]

^ I agree. I thought I skipped a scene when Hawke and Varric where talking about the carta breaking into my house.

Modifié par Terryballer, 01 août 2011 - 01:34 .

[erynnar]

Sorry, but that guy's review isn't right at all. The only bug I ran into was that my party members would not stay put when I told them to on the final boss fight and insisted on becoming crispy critters.

As someone who didn't like DA2 (read that as not like, not hate, never hated it), I love the DLC. I think it is better than DA2. DA2 feels like the DLC and Legacy feels like the actual game. I don't intend that to sound mean, and I hope it doesn't. Legacy just got the polish and the details that DA2 didn't in many ways.

I for one, had a lot of fun with it (and frustration, or frustrated fun, rather). They did listen, and I thank the devs for that. My dislikes in Legacy were small (the derpspawn, the AI not listening to don't follow me as an order) and the likes tilted far into the other direction (new and gorgeous environments, no parachuting ninja waves, story, banter, getting to know Hawke better so I liked her more-Carver too, puzzles, yeah you get the idea, LOL).

Sorry Gamespot, I disagree with you on this one.

[Yrkoon]

axl99 wrote...

User-submitted Metacritic reviews are notoriously skewed and biased [not to mention unconstructive]. Even I have to take that with a tablespoon of sea salt.

  No,  they're not.   When 6000+ people rate a game, you're going to get a pretty good idea on how that game was received.  I bought Origins  after seeing the Metacritic user scores and reading hundreds of user posts/reviews on metacritic.  The game was exactly as they said it was.

Of course the problem  with the Legacy metacritic score here is that  there's only been  about 12 votes per platform so far.    That's Not nearly enough  to mean anything

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 août 2011 - 01:55 .

[Addai]

Ryzaki wrote...

Eh I liked Legacy more than LotSB. At least Legacy didn't railroad my Hawke into being friends with one of the party members.

Well, it kinda does.  Why can't Hawke at least try to kill Anders, even if he miraculously escapes by the magic of plot armor?  It's something I would have liked to see in the base game, but after he *mumble spoilers* in Legacy... that is just getting ridiculous.

[Addai]

Mr.House wrote...

One site gives Legacy a bad review and the DA2 hate crowd hold onto it like it's scared when Legacy has been a huge success, it did what LotSB did last year.

Repeat after me:  In.  my.  opinion.

I still find it amusing that the haters are still here and complaining about the game they hate, bash Legacy, say they refuse to buy it, want it free ect. Bioware must have a becon that stops these people from staying away from the site.

I'm still interested in the world and the lore.  It's waning fast.  I pre-ordered Gaider's book, that's what I'm looking to restore my interest.  I didn't expect a DLC about Hawke to do so.

[erynnar]

Yrkoon wrote...

axl99 wrote...

User-submitted Metacritic reviews are notoriously skewed and biased [not to mention unconstructive]. Even I have to take that with a tablespoon of sea salt.

  No,  they're not.   When 6000+ people rate a game, you're going to get a pretty good idea on how that game was received.  I bought Origins  after seeing the Metacritic user scores and reading hundreds of user posts/reviews on metacritic.  The game was exactly as they said it was.

Of course the problem  with the Legacy metacritic score here is that  there's only been  about 12 votes per platform so far.    That's Not nearly enough  to mean anything

I noticed that too. Only 12 reviews per platform isn't enough to get a feel for what people think. I liked it. I had fun, I wish it had been the main game.

[Huntress]

The dlc is great, I like it alot, Anders as Li is superb, varric hilarious and sweet Beth back as a warden is great!
/whines: aww why can't we keep our siblings?? gosh.. I miss beth so much when I play as mage.

[Sharn01]

Legacy is not perfect by a long shot, but I thought most people thought positively of it? It certainly surpassed any expectations considering the track record with DLC in origins, and did address a lot of the main complaints people had about DA2. It needed a better lead in then click on the statue and thrust you into it with little explanation as to why, but I thought the game play and areas where far better done then DA2's, room for improvement, hell yes, a metric ton, but still better then it was.

[In Exile]

Alright-Television wrote...
The story of RtO: The Warden and friends run back to Ostagar to get back things. The Warden and friends comment on things they get back.

Some friends comment. Without Loghain, Wynne or Alistair, there's not much there. 

I did say it wasn't a very good story.

You said it was a story, and if that's your standard, Legacy had multiple stories.

Lore dump. Your party comments on it. How is this complicated?

It's not. No more or less than DA:O's plot was a lore dump.

Also yes, Legacy is so much about BioWare trying to make Hawke seem interesting. 

Legacy is Bioware's way of making Awakening interesting. Hawke is a byproduct of that.

And Awakening was just a way to make DA:O seem interesting. It at least had an antagonist. 

Trouble is, they should've stuck this into DA2. If Hawke's blood and ancestry was so special all along why are we learning about it now? Legacy is a patch to fix the bug known as "DA2's story didn't hold up but Hawke is actually a very important character".

Bioware's horrible at pacing. Just like how the Warden's didn't matter until 10 left in DA:O. At least Legacy started with why Hawke was important. 

Yeah, but we who liked Origins provided arguments so until further notice we've won.

You could have fooled me. In fact, you didn't, because there were no arguments. Just preferences, and often the hilariously mistaken kind, when both games to the same thing, but things like the colour of the window dressing or the hinges make you prefer one over the other.

Joke. (Kind of.)

Me too. Kind of. 

Modifié par In Exile, 01 août 2011 - 05:39 .

[TheSeeker33]

I loved it. Definitely worth the $10 in my opinion. Though I do hope they fix the bug mentioned, where an enemy has only 1hp and yet it won't die. Kind of annoys me. The final boss, first time on my warrior all my party died instantly, don't know how/why, and it took me almost half an hour to kill the final boss. On my rogue playthrough, I took control of all my party (I have it on PS3) and avoided all his magic attacks, and it only took about 5-10 minutes. A lot easier.

I hope they release an expansion pack in the future, but keep the DLC coming. 10/10 here.

[LadyAly]

I like Legacy - its a good DLC. Better then some for Origins. I had no bugs on the PC version yet.
This ratings are ridicoulos.
What they expecting ? A Ego Shooter ?

Modifié par LadyAly, 01 août 2011 - 06:31 .

[Matchy Pointy]

Does anyone take Gamespot seriously anymore after the Kane & Lynch fiasco?

[Malistix]

was a fun add on but i counted it, 24 times all my allies walked like idiots into fire and ALL dies on the PS3 not that is one nasty boss on hard difficulty having to use over 30 potions to do it alone, damnit. apart from that i would say it was "ok" but overpriced.

[Ulathar]

It appears to me the reviewer played a different Legacy DLC than I have.

[Sister Helen]

Comparing Lair of the Shadowbroker and Legacy is comparing Apples to Oranges. I liked them both, but for different reasons.

They were both good DLCs, just as Apples and Oranges are both tasty fruit.