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[SilentK]

I tried to do my part.... one of those 12 reviews for PC on metacritic is mine. Guess that it will be all in the read pretty soon when the zero's start raining in. Oh well... I never ever use metacritic for anything. I already have the games I love, I was just so irritated. Pretty silly of me really.

Modifié par SilentK, 01 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[aftohsix]

Yrkoon wrote...

  No,  they're not.   When 6000+ people rate a game, you're going to get a pretty good idea on how that game was received.  I bought Origins  after seeing the Metacritic user scores and reading hundreds of user posts/reviews on metacritic.  The game was exactly as they said it was.

Of course the problem  with the Legacy metacritic score here is that  there's only been  about 12 votes per platform so far.    That's Not nearly enough  to mean anything

Dude you're still stuck on this idea that metacritic users scores are accurate when I and many other have pointed out that though they may be representative of how MANY people feel about a game they are a terrible indicator of the quality of a product given the ENTIRE consumer base.

Ultimately they're only accurate to a certain subset of any product's consumer base and not to the consumer base on a whole.  That and the fact that they can be tampered with makes them pretty useless.

I'll put it this way.  The user review average of DAO matches perfectly with how you felt the game was.  Therefore you can say "the user reviews fell in line with my own assement of the game."  What you can't say is "DAO is a good game because the user review average is this." 

EDIT:  Since you're so big on numbers here are some to explain what I'm talking about.  DA2, across all three platforms has received 5,798 user reviews on Metacritic.  Based on VGChartz (which so many people used to tout around here as a great site but I found it to be confusing as hell) DA2 has sold (ESTIMATED) 1,500,000 copies.

User reviews: 5,798
Total Sales: 1,500,000
Percentage of user reviews on Metacritic out of total units sold:  .0039 % (rounded off)

Yeah but those reviews must be totally accurate and hold lots of weight and are completely representative of the opinions of EVERYONE who bought the game 

(Multiple edits because I apparently suck at spelling early in the AM)

(Disclaimer 2:  I think VGchartz is utter BS and I only used it's numbers for arguments sake.  If anyone knows a place that has 100% accurate sales number reporting I'd be interested)

Modifié par aftohsix, 01 août 2011 - 01:07 .

[Yrkoon]

aftohsix wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

  No,  they're not.   When 6000+ people rate a game, you're going to get a pretty good idea on how that game was received.  I bought Origins  after seeing the Metacritic user scores and reading hundreds of user posts/reviews on metacritic.  The game was exactly as they said it was.

Of course the problem  with the Legacy metacritic score here is that  there's only been  about 12 votes per platform so far.    That's Not nearly enough  to mean anything

Dude you're still stuck on this idea that metacritic users scores are accurate when I and many other have pointed out that though they may be representative of how MANY people feel about a game they are a terrible indicator of the quality of a product given the ENTIRE consumer base.

Get this through your head already.  I'm not the entire consumer base.  Nor do I care about the casual gamer.  At all.   Nor do I identify with some 15 year old who will buy a game and play it just because    he saw the  box at Best Buy and noticed some cool picture or  nice screenshots on its cover.  Or whatever.

The  active, online, RPG conneseur IS the crowd I identify with.  The type of person who feels passionate enough about gaming to come online and discuss it  day after day -  THAT is the crowd I'm a member of.

So when I see 6000+ members of MY crowd giving an opinion about something online.  I LISTEN.  And so do you.  So does just about everyone here.

And that being the case,  When we come online and we say  "Game X has been  negatively recieved",  You know what the F**K we mean by that.    And all the silly attempts at splitting hairs and playing dumb on your part doesn't change that.

But hey,  we're still versitile.  We can look at sales figures, too, if you want.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 août 2011 - 01:16 .

[aftohsix]

.0039 %

[terrordactyl1]

Gamespot are fools. Legacy is great.

[Yrkoon]

aftohsix wrote...

.0039 %

100% dodging of the point..  You're impressive.

And by the way,  does that .0039% include the dozens of users per review that found that review helpful?  Because that is how  one shows  agreement with an opinion/review on metacritic.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 août 2011 - 01:23 .

[Gunderic]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

lizzbee wrote...

Wait, what?  Testing on multiple machines is Bioware's job, not a reviewer's!  Your contention shows a remarkable ignorance of not just the industry, but magazine, blog and online publishing as a whole.  Very few publications have full in-house staff and testing labs to be able to carry out the same kind of QC you'd expect of, well, the game developer. 

If a reviewer is going to copy and paste the review for both the PC and X-Box versions, he should check to see if those bugs happen on both a PC and an X-Box. That would be his job.

Which he did. He played the game on both versions, according to his answer to a random twitter question.

[aftohsix]

Yrkoon wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

.0039 %

100% dodging of the point..  You're impressive.

I'm not dodging the point so much as ending the discusison with you.  As you said I need "Get it through my head."  So I get it.  You cannot be convinced that meta-critic user reviews are worthless.  Therefore I'll stop trying.

You're more than welcome to your opinion.  Just keep in mind that it represents about .0039% of the total consumer base of a game.

Cheers. 

(EDIT:  For the record I'm not trying to egg you on, make fun of you... etc...  I've had more quality debates with you the past few days than I have in most of the years I've been a poster here.  We just cleary disagree on some things quite strongly)

Modifié par aftohsix, 01 août 2011 - 01:23 .

[Gunderic]

aftohsix wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

aftohsix wrote...

.0039 %

100% dodging of the point..  You're impressive.

I'm not dodging the point so much as ending the discusison with you.  As you said I need "Get it through my head."  So I get it.  You cannot be convinced that meta-critic user reviews are worthless.  Therefore I'll stop trying.

You're more than welcome to your opinion.  Just keep in mind that it represents about .0039% of the total consumer base of a game.

Cheers. 

That's why you use Gamespot user scores. Surprisingly far less likely to get troll ratings/reviews.

[TEWR]

Yrkoon, how many of those 6000 people have actually bought and played Legacy, and how many are just reviewing it without having played it and without giving it a chance?

[Yrkoon]

Gunderic wrote...

That's why you use Gamespot user scores. Surprisingly far less likely to get troll ratings/reviews.

Because there's less people on gamespot?

Because that's the only reason why, and  that's hardly surprizing.    There's still tons and tons of angry ranting from users on gamespot.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 août 2011 - 01:39 .

[nitefyre410]

You know if I have listened to every negative review about a game that I turned out to enjoy... I would not have come across many of the gem experiences that I have come across. This goes for movies/games/books/comic books/resturants etc. Just saying in the end you have to make up your own mind.

[TEWR]

unfortunately nitefyre410, most people are lemmings.

[nitefyre410]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

unfortunately nitefyre410, most people are lemmings.

 


/sigh .... don't I know it... smh

[Yrkoon]

nitefyre410 wrote...

You know if I have listened to every negative review about a game that I turned out to enjoy... I would not have come across many of the gem experiences that I have come across. This goes for movies/games/books/comic books/resturants etc. Just saying in the end you have to make up your own mind.

 When I'm researching a  future purchase,  I listen to   positive  AND negative reviews.   Multiple instances of both in fact, so that I can get an idea of what the recurring gripes/recurring praises are.    And I do this before making up my mind.

Don't you?

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 août 2011 - 01:45 .

[asindre]

I never read reviews. The only opinion that matters is mine.

[Monica83]

I have not the dlc and i don't feel the need to get it.. I think Dragon age series must move in a innovative but loyal to the origin direction... Honestly i don't care for rewiews there is better solution to who want make an idea of a product.. You can rent it in the case of a full game.. Or in case of a dlc you can always watch videos on youtube the ones with: Let's play blah blah blah... Or you can ask to a friend that have the same taste of yours..

But i don't think this dlc for how good or bad it is can save of finish off dragon age 2.. Since the full game is realeased and its just bad in my taste...

The dlc can be the most wonderful around.. But i'm not still interested to puchase that

[nitefyre410]

Yrkoon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

You know if I have listened to every negative review about a game that I turned out to enjoy... I would not have come across many of the gem experiences that I have come across. This goes for movies/games/books/comic books/resturants etc. Just saying in the end you have to make up your own mind.

 When I'm researching a  future purchase,  I listen to  both positive and negative reviews.   Multiple instances of both in fact, so that I can get an idea of what the recurring gripes/recurring praises are.    And I do this before making up my mind.

Don't you?

 

For games, movies,etc  not so much I know what I like and what I what I'm looking for  in the such. 

For big ticket Items like CPU, TV, Cellphone  -  I give more wieght to reviews  just because  those are choices you have stick with longer. 


Best Example I can give.   are  Castivania: Lord of Shadows and Enslaved. now I checked out the previews of these's games and like what I saw but was not sold  completely sold.  So I wanted , got both on sale and was  pleased with both and glad that I did wait.  

I general don't like reviews because I was not sold on the whole idea of someone telling me what I would like or won't like based on their opinion(unless there are friend that has known me for years)  Not many video game review  sites where I get a review that falls in line with how I feel. 

matter most of the time  they come off  as trying it pander to the  internet - "I want to sound super smart and witty crowd."  

Also I general only buy  games that I know that I want to play and will play for while. 

Look at It like this ..

I like sushi , you hate sushi - no matter how much you tell me you hate sushi. I am still going to like sushi.

[Yrkoon]

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

You know if I have listened to every negative review about a game that I turned out to enjoy... I would not have come across many of the gem experiences that I have come across. This goes for movies/games/books/comic books/resturants etc. Just saying in the end you have to make up your own mind.

 When I'm researching a  future purchase,  I listen to  both positive and negative reviews.   Multiple instances of both in fact, so that I can get an idea of what the recurring gripes/recurring praises are.    And I do this before making up my mind.

Don't you?

 

For games, movies,etc  not so much I know what I like and what I what I'm looking for  in the such. 

Yeah, I  threw caution to the wind and employed that  mindset  for DA2.

I'm still suffering from  the 3rd degree burns.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 août 2011 - 02:10 .

[Cutlass Jack]

Gunderic wrote...

Which he did. He played the game on both versions, according to his answer to a random twitter question.

And both versions had exactly the same bugs in exactly the same place yet I have yet to see any of those bugs over multiple playthroughs?

I'd love to quote Cassandra right here.

[MonkeyLungs]

Just because you don't see a bug doesn't mean it isn't there. /roachradar

[nitefyre410]

Yrkoon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

Yrkoon wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

You know if I have listened to every negative review about a game that I turned out to enjoy... I would not have come across many of the gem experiences that I have come across. This goes for movies/games/books/comic books/resturants etc. Just saying in the end you have to make up your own mind.

 When I'm researching a  future purchase,  I listen to  both positive and negative reviews.   Multiple instances of both in fact, so that I can get an idea of what the recurring gripes/recurring praises are.    And I do this before making up my mind.

Don't you?

 

For games, movies,etc  not so much I know what I like and what I what I'm looking for  in the such. 

Yeah, I  threw caution to the wind and employed that  mindset  for DA2.

I'm still suffering from  the 3rd degree burns.

Hey I have my far share of scars and  made some bad choices but I have learned from those burns.    

FF 9 , DMC 2, Dissidia  Final Fantasy( a game I really wanted to like but ARRGGGH couldn't not) ,  Dragon Quest VIII, Xenosaga 2,  COD Black OPS,

Though Bioware better give my a good reason why Lieana is suddenly gone all Zealot or as Thor would say... We will have words.  

Modifié par nitefyre410, 01 août 2011 - 02:28 .

[Cutlass Jack]

MonkeyLungs wrote...

Just because you don't see a bug doesn't mean it isn't there. /roachradar

True, but if the majority of your review over two different platforms is about how bug ridden something is, then I'd have expected to have seen at least one of them when viewing the game on two wildly different PCs over multiple playthroughs.

I'm not saying the bugs don't exist. Rather that he's not convincing me that he played the game on both console and PC and frequently came across the exact same bugs in the exact same points on both.

[Tirfan]

nitefyre410 wrote...


Hey I my far share of scares and  made some bad choices but I have learned from those burns.   

FF 9 , DMC 2, Dissidia  Final Fantasy( a game I really wanted to like but ARRGGGH couldn't not) ,  Dragon Quest VIII, Xenosaga 2,  COD Black OPS. 

Though Bioware better give my a good reason why Lieana is suddenly gone all Zealot or as Thor would say... We will have words.  

^ Hey, wtf, FF IX is magnificent game. It is FFVIII that sucks so much that I can barely believe it (the only game worse than DA2).

I however, haven't even touched Xenosaga.. I played Xenogears and while it was technically horrible game... it had certain charm to it that made it amazing.