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Todd23 wrote...

Clearly Bioware didn't meat Gamespot's routine bribe this time.

haha I was thinking that.  is it so terrible not to care about reviews anymore?

[Ginkeh]

HTTP 404 wrote...

haha I was thinking that.  is it so terrible not to care about reviews anymore?

Was it ever terrible? If so, I`m a terrible person. 

[LadyJaneGrey]

*Peeks in.*

*Is disappointed by lack of beavers.*

[mordarwarlock]

completely 100% agree - a dlc that brings nothing to the table, overall the same cliche story, bland environments (yeah, lets not repeat them, but instead make them as mediocre as possible)

the only good thing about legacy it's the way the enemies are presented, but for everything else it's mediocre at best and stinks of lazyness

[Chromie]

mordarwarlock wrote...

completely 100% agree - a dlc that brings nothing to the table, overall the same cliche story, bland environments (yeah, lets not repeat them, but instead make them as mediocre as possible)

the only good thing about legacy it's the way the enemies are presented, but for everything else it's mediocre at best and stinks of lazyness

The environments are soooooo barren.

[bleetman]

A gamespot review filled with factual errors and rampant hypocrisy? Will wonders never cease.

No, I don't agree with any of what's in that review. That the criticisms raised as justification for the slamming it's receiving are generally the case in DA2 (I'm thinking bland environments and waves that teleport in, neither of which I found true of Legacy anyway) yet that still received an 80% score strikes me as laughable. Either they're experience ruining, or they're not. Make up your mind.

[Atakuma]

I think the criticisms pertaining to the pricing are fair. Two to three hours of content just isn't worth ten dollars, regardless of how good it is.

[PrinceLionheart]

This the same reviewer that gave the Kasumi DLC a 6.5 but overlord an 8.5. According to him, one of the negative attributes of the PS3 version of ME2 was that the Kasumi DLC "weakened the narrative." Yeah.

[aftohsix]

snip.  I have no real frame of reference.  Haven't had time to play Legacy yet.

Modifié par aftohsix, 29 juillet 2011 - 05:45 .

[Zjarcal]

bleetman wrote...

A gamespot review filled with factual errors and rampant hypocrisy? Will wonders never cease.

No, I don't agree with any of what's in that review. That the criticisms raised as justification for the slamming it's receiving are generally the case in DA2 (I'm thinking bland environments and waves that teleport in, neither of which I found true of Legacy anyway) yet that still received an 80% score strikes me as laughable. Either they're experience ruining, or they're not. Make up your mind.

This.

It's the idea that he gives a DLC that's a more refined version of DA2 a lower score than the main game that's laughable. If he had given the main game the same score, then at least he'd be consistent.

[mesmerizedish]

Atakuma wrote...

I think the criticisms pertaining to the pricing are fair. Two to three hours of content just isn't worth ten dollars, regardless of how good it is.

I disagree. Portal 2 seems to have been about 5-10 hours for $50, and people are very satisfied with it.

I also don't think the DLC was only 2-3 hours. I play on Nightmare, and I put six or seven hours into it. On lower difficulties, I see it being around four or five. Regardless, I was perfectly happy with its length and price.

[Jarate]

Well, as they say even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Although TBH I would have given it an even lower review. There's no excuse for 2-hour, $10 DLC, and "these two hours suck less than an equivalent two hours from DA2" is the definition of "damning with faint praise."

[Sidney]

Atakuma wrote...

I think the criticisms pertaining to the pricing are fair. Two to three hours of content just isn't worth ten dollars, regardless of how good it is.

That's the price of stuff. I'm still amazed that people worry about paying $3.33 per hour for entertainment.

[tmp7704]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I disagree. Portal 2 seems to have been about 5-10 hours for $50, and people are very satisfied with it.

I think people are satisfied with Portal despite the price, though. $50 is quite a lot for 5 hour long game -- not too look too far for examples, iirc Awakening did get  criticized for costing $40 while being 20 or so hours long. Similarly, i suspect if DA3/ME3 came out and turned out to be 5-8 hour long while costing $60+ there would be quite a bit of dissatisfied outcry.

[bleetman]

Jarate wrote...

and "these two hours suck less than an equivalent two hours from DA2" is the definition of "damning with faint praise."

How fortunate then that nobody is saying that.

[hoorayforicecream]

tmp7704 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

I disagree. Portal 2 seems to have been about 5-10 hours for $50, and people are very satisfied with it.

I think people are satisfied with Portal despite the price, though. $50 is quite a lot for 5 hour long game -- not too look too far for examples, iirc Awakening did get  criticized for costing $40 while being 20 or so hours long. Similarly, i suspect if DA3/ME3 came out and turned out to be 5-8 hour long while costing $60+ there would be quite a bit of dissatisfied outcry.

The God of War games are 5-8 hours and cost $60 when they came out, and they are very well received by both critics and players.
Uncharted 2 was 5-8 hours, $60, and pretty much universally acclaimed.
I never saw anyone complain that Halo didn't run for 30-40 hours.

Many games give 6-8 hours of content, cost $60, and people are fine with it. The only reason that RPGs tend to be held to a different standard is because they used it as a selling point for years. I had much more fun with Uncharted 2's 6-8 hours than I did with the 30 or so I spent on the Witcher 2. YMMV.

[Aaleel]

I don't like the whole length/value ratio argument. Either it's quality or not. I've played games that were long and bad, and games that were short and good quality.

[Captain_Obvious]

Atakuma wrote...

I think the criticisms pertaining to the pricing are fair. Two to three hours of content just isn't worth ten dollars, regardless of how good it is.

I actually cannot disagree more.  I think I need to provide some context for my opinion here:

So far I have played Legacy twice so that's 4-6 hours of content for $10.00.  so lets see, that's $2.50 to $1.67 per hour for the DLC.  

I paid $60.00 for DA2 the day it came out.  I have played it five times, at approximately 29 hours each playthrough.  So that's 145 hours (estimated), each hour costing $0.41 cents.  Overall, I've paid $75.00 for DA2+DLC, and have about 150 hours total.  So, I've paid a grand total of $0.50 cents an hour to play DA2. 

I paid $50.00 for Final Fantasy X, and played that for over 300 hours.  That's $0.17 cents per hour. 

I paid $60.00 each for Red Dead Redemption and La Noire, and played those for about 40 hours each.  That's $1.50 per hour. 

I paid $60.00 for Splinter Cell: Conviction and have played it twice for about 15 hours (it's pretty short).  That cost me $4.00 per hour. 

I paid $30.00 for Mass Effect, and have played it 22 times at about 25 hours each.  That's 550 hours, costing me $0.05 cents per hour. 

I consider all of these games to be bargains.  There are some I love for sentimental reasons (like Splinter Cell, oh Michael Ironside how I love you), and there are others that I love for the story (Mass Effect), and some I love for the characters (DA2). 

I think that Legacy itself has high replayability, and that it adds replayabiliy for DA2 in general.  To me, pricing is not the same as worth. 

[Jar-Based Karate]

@Bleetman:

That's actually the most common thing I've heard about Legacy. Lots of "at least the areas aren't recycled, but it's not like a whole new game."

@tmp7704:

I'd say there are two factors between the Portal/Legacy (or Portal/Awakening) double standard.
1. People expect length from RPGs. This is partially due to our notions about how RPGs are supposed to work, and partly due to how a certain level of grindiness and repetitiveness is inherent in the genre. In a puzzle game, on the other hand, you want it to be short and sweet.
2. If Dragon Age was the same length as Portal 2 (10 hours total if you include both modes) and had the same level of writing quality and content density, I don't think we'd actually see that many complaints beyond the ones that boiled down to "RPGs are supposed to be long, and this game isn't long."

[xkg]

I usualy play strategy games so when i buy lets say Europa Univeralis 3 or Total War game for about 40~50$ I am sure to spend at least 100 hours or more.
Yeah there may be a lot of 10hrs/40$ games but to me it really sounds bad.
As always it all comes to preferences / gaming habits.

[Zanallen]

The way I see it, I could be playing a game for two hours and ten bucks or I could watch a movie for two hours and ten bucks. The difference being that the game allows me to replay it whenever I want without charging me more.

[Chromie]

Captain_Obvious wrote...

Atakuma wrote...

I think the criticisms pertaining to the pricing are fair. Two to three hours of content just isn't worth ten dollars, regardless of how good it is.

I actually cannot disagree more.  I think I need to provide some context for my opinion here:

So far I have played Legacy twice so that's 4-6 hours of content for $10.00.  so lets see, that's $2.50 to $1.67 per hour for the DLC.  

I paid $60.00 for DA2 the day it came out.  I have played it five times, at approximately 29 hours each playthrough.  So that's 145 hours (estimated), each hour costing $0.41 cents.  Overall, I've paid $75.00 for DA2+DLC, and have about 150 hours total.  So, I've paid a grand total of $0.50 cents an hour to play DA2. 

I paid $50.00 for Final Fantasy X, and played that for over 300 hours.  That's $0.17 cents per hour. 

I paid $60.00 each for Red Dead Redemption and La Noire, and played those for about 40 hours each.  That's $1.50 per hour. 

I paid $60.00 for Splinter Cell: Conviction and have played it twice for about 15 hours (it's pretty short).  That cost me $4.00 per hour. 

I paid $30.00 for Mass Effect, and have played it 22 times at about 25 hours each.  That's 550 hours, costing me $0.05 cents per hour. 

I consider all of these games to be bargains.  There are some I love for sentimental reasons (like Splinter Cell, oh Michael Ironside how I love you), and there are others that I love for the story (Mass Effect), and some I love for the characters (DA2). 

I think that Legacy itself has high replayability, and that it adds replayabiliy for DA2 in general.  To me, pricing is not the same as worth. 

Why not compare it to other DLC?

Borderlands for example is much larger and same price I believe. Fallout 3 dlc again much larger some and others not. GTA IV dlc much much bigger.

[Jar-Based Karate]

@Zanallen: or, even better, you could buy something like PS:T or BG2 off GOG for $10. Or just DLC that adds more content, along the lines of Secret Armory of General Knoxx. $10 used to buy you an expansion pack - not quite sure what changed since then, beyond EA finding out that customers will happily pay for any extra content regardless of effort or quality.

[bleetman]

Jar-Based Karate wrote...

@Bleetman:

That's actually the most common thing I've heard about Legacy. Lots of "at least the areas aren't recycled, but it's not like a whole new game."

Which doesn't translate into "well, at least it sucked less than DA2". It's not a new game, that much I'd agree with, because it hasn't gone so far as to ditch everything about DA2 and replace it. Enemies still attack in waves, there's still a dialogue wheel, so on and so forth. Saying they've refined what's there isn't the same as saying 'it's rubbish, but not quite as rubbish as DA2'.

Jar-Based Karate wrote...

$10 used to buy you an expansion pack - not quite sure what changed since then, beyond EA finding out that customers will happily pay for any extra content regardless of effort or quality.

Legacy has 'effort and quality' bursting out of every oraphice. I had no problems paying £6 for it in that regard.

Modifié par bleetman, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:06 .

[Atakuma]

Ringo12 wrote...

Why not compare it to other DLC?

Borderlands for example is much larger and same price I believe. Fallout 3 dlc again much larger some and others not. GTA IV dlc much much bigger.

The Secret Armory of General Knoxx was $10, and that was just short of being a full blown expansion.

Modifié par Atakuma, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:05 .