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[Zanallen]

Jar-Based Karate wrote...

@Zanallen: or, even better, you could buy something like PS:T or BG2 off GOG for $10. Or just DLC that adds more content, along the lines of Secret Armory of General Knoxx. $10 used to buy you an expansion pack - not quite sure what changed since then, beyond EA finding out that customers will happily pay for any extra content regardless of effort or quality.

The point being that ten dollars is jack to me. That is an hour of work. If I get at least two hours of enjoyment for an hour of work, that is a profit for me. And you can't compare DLC from different types of games when it comes to price. What is the labor cost for Borderlands DLC or Fallout DLC compared to DA2 DLC? We need to know that to effectively compare prices and determine if the price is fair.

[Jar-Based Karate]

@Bleetman:

Well, considering the general consensus on the quality level of DA2, "this is slightly better than 2 hours of DA2" doesn't exactly translate to "shut up and take my money" for most people.

And re: the "effort and quality" thing, the issue is not that it had more effort shown than an equivalent 2 hours of DA2, but that it didn't present as much of an expansion as something like Gen. Knoxx, or even Shadow Broker.

[Heather Cline]

disagree i enjoyed the dlc immensely.

[Jar-Based Karate]

@Zanallen:

The issue is that you could be getting 40 hours of the best RPG you ever played for that same price.

[bleetman]

Can we stop saying it's a 'two hour dlc'? It took me at least twice that both times, and I can't say I was dumb struck by a puzzle or banging my head against a wall with any of the combat at any point.

I wouldn't say "slightly better", either. It's a profound improvement, but not one that's going to coerce people who couldn't stand DA2 in the first place. But this pretense that the highest praise people can muster about it is "eh, not as bad as DA2 was" is giving me a headache.

[JamieCOTC]

"The story that holds all this combat together is fine, but it has no singular moment to make it special."

I agree w/ this statement from the review. Overall, I found the dlc to be fun and encountered no bugs (PC w/ XP). The environments were different, but most were just as bland as the rest of DA2.

"Legacy makes a valiant attempt to strengthen your bond with Hawke, but ultimately it makes little impression."

I have to take the review to task on this point. Although I agree w/ the statement, the fault is not w/ the DLC, but w/ DA2 itself. I never got a sense of connection to the family and I'll be damned if I'm going to read a codex entry to get it. I want the connection in the game. I understand why Carver's such a brat, but I never got a sense that I really knew him as a character. The mother was even worse. In the, what, 5 times I spoke w/ her, I didn't really get a sense of who she was before the Blight. Without a proper connection to begin with, there's no wonder Legacy falls short on that level.

[Captain_Obvious]

Ringo12 wrote...

Why not compare it to other DLC?

Borderlands for example is much larger and same price I believe. Fallout 3 dlc again much larger some and others not. GTA IV dlc much much bigger.

Because for me DLC is not about how it stands alone, but how it adds to the overall game experience.  In this I think Fallout 3 DLC pretty much failed.  I loaded the DLC, played a bit, went "oh that's neat" and put it back on the shelf.  Something about it didn't make me want to finish it (I'm thinking of The Pitt and whatever the riverboat one was). 

My own preference is to play games that end.  I don't usually go back and continue games.  I like an end, game over, cue credits.  Fallout 3 changed a perfectly good "game over" to a "but wait, there's more" that sort of ticked me off (I got the DLC quite a bit after I finished the game).  It turned a game with a clear completion critera to a never-ending story.  With games like ME2 and DA2, even though you can continue the game, I always go back to a "before end-game" save to play the DLC, or I start a new game.  I'm even OCD about it enough now that I cannot play ME2 without playing a full ME1 to import. 

In contrast to Fallout 3/NV, and so far, the Legacy DLC makes me want to play DA2 again.  I don't play GTA games (I can't drive) or Borderlands (I can't aim) so I can't really make a valid comparison to those. 

[ErichHartmann]

I'm about halfway through Legacy (I think) and think it's great so far. I just can't agree with any part of their review.

Modifié par ErichHartmann, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:29 .

[Atakuma]

I'd also rather not have to pay money to see what DA2 should have been in the first place.

[Ainmarh]

I find myself ignoring Gamespot's reviews much too often...

[Patriciachr34]

bleetman wrote...

Can we stop saying it's a 'two hour dlc'? It took me at least twice that both times, and I can't say I was dumb struck by a puzzle or banging my head against a wall with any of the combat at any point.

I wouldn't say "slightly better", either. It's a profound improvement, but not one that's going to coerce people who couldn't stand DA2 in the first place. But this pretense that the highest praise people can muster about it is "eh, not as bad as DA2 was" is giving me a headache.

Here! Here!  I had no glitches and no boss bugs.  I love the improvements to combat.  The waves made sense, and if you played your strategy correctly, you could control when each wave hit.  It sounded to me like th reviewer really just didn't care.  He needed to get the reiview done and so rushed through the DLC.

Modifié par Patriciachr34, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:29 .

[Bryy_Miller]

I'm actually surprised Legacy was only $10, with all the voice acting involved.

[tmp7704]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

The God of War games are 5-8 hours and cost $60 when they came out, and they are very well received by both critics and players.
Uncharted 2 was 5-8 hours, $60, and pretty much universally acclaimed.
I never saw anyone complain that Halo didn't run for 30-40 hours.

Both Halo and Uncharted 2 include the multiplayer mode which extend the game by quite a bit.

The thing about these games is, it'd be interesting to know how many people actually refrain from buying them on launch day and rent them instead, or how many exchange the bought copy for another game down the road, effectively cutting down the cost. Or wait with the purchase until the price drops down to ~$20 range. At least that's the comments i read quite often and which boil down to "if i can finish it over weekend i'll simply rent it, it's not worth the full price."

If nothing else, the resale market must be considerable given the recent attempts from the developers to discourage and squash it.

Modifié par tmp7704, 29 juillet 2011 - 07:38 .

[Jar Based Karate]

@Bleetman: Okay, moderately better than an equivalent 2-hour chunk of DA2, then. Still not up to many peoples' standards. $10 buys me Planescape: Torment, a good fantasy novel, or a bottle of Belgian beer, all of which provide more fun for longer.

[Ginkeh]

Jar Based Karate wrote...

 or a bottle of Belgian beer, all of which provide more fun for longer.

A bottle of beer provides fun for 2+ hours? Man, that makes me wish I had your tolerance! Sounds very economic!

[Abispa]

Was Gamespot one of the reviewers who raved about DA2 before fans started pointing out the flaws? If so, perhaps their new review, which I disagree with, was their attempt to save face. Of course that theory won't work if they gave the original review a score of "average" or less.

[bleetman]

bleetman wrote...

Can we stop saying it's a 'two hour dlc'? It took me at least twice that both times, and I can't say I was dumb struck by a puzzle or banging my head against a wall with any of the combat at any point.

bleetman wrote...

It's a profound improvement

Jar Based Karate wrote...

Okay, moderately better than an equivalent 2-hour chunk of DA2, then

I'm getting that headache again.

Modifié par bleetman, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:06 .

[JarBasedKarate]

@Bleetman:

And shockingly, your opinion is not the same as everyone elses' opinion, or even the consensus opinion.

[JarBasedKarate]

@Ginkeh:

That's why you gotta go for the Belgians 750 ml of 10.5% ABV FTW!

[Abispa]

@ Bleetman -- Don't worry. My GF is a DA2 fanatic and has beaten it twice and plans to beat it with as many different party members and during different chapters to see all the variables. She has yet to beat it in 2 hours. I plan to play more than an hour of it myself... one day.

[PaulSX]

I agree with the price argument

[bleetman]

JarBasedKarate wrote...

@Bleetman:

And shockingly, your opinion is not the same as everyone elses' opinion, or even the consensus opinion.

Funnily enough, I have yet to claim that it is. I've also yet to come out with tripe like, I don't know, 'the positive comments for this dlc mostly just say it's not quite as rubbish as DA2 was'. I must be misinterpreting the page after page after page of people explaining how much they enjoyed it, I suppose.

I'm also wondering why you've cycled through four different accounts since you started posting, but that's neither here nor there.

Modifié par bleetman, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:26 .

[Abispa]

suntzuxi wrote...

I agree with the price argument

When it comes to opinions regarding pricing it's hard to prove anyone right or wrong. If you don't think it's worth $10, it isn't since it's your money and you should be able to feel you made worthy purchase. It went over well in my house, though. Considering the many flaws in the original game, which I enjoyed DESPITE said flaws, I do regret not waiting for the inevitable all-in-one edition that all role playing games tend to have a year after release.

[Mike 9987]

Looks like the guy who wrote this was already angry at something before he started the DLC. maybe he played the game 20 hours straight just to get to a good point to do legacy at and he was just fed up with the game at that point from playing too much. Just my thoughts though, because i had no problem with the things he explains were bad. Like the glitch whhere the enemies don't die. thats in the main game aswell, and really its not as bad as he makes it seem.

[ademska]

JarBasedKarate wrote...

@Bleetman:

And shockingly, your opinion is not the same as everyone elses' opinion, or even the consensus opinion.

time is not a subjective measure, dingleberry. (or well, existentially, maybe, but let's not get into that)

the vast majority of playthroughs for Legacy take much longer than two hours. this isn't really arguable.