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[TEWR]

disagree. Legacy was the best Dragon Age DLC I've seen, and it's price was fair. What was really not worth the money were the DAO DLCs. They were incredibly short.

[Fireblader70]

What I can't believe is that it only gained .5 over Witch Hunt... which was infinitely worse than Legacy.

I think VanOrd was just expecting something disappointing, so that is how he saw it. He wasn't hopeful, he had just reviewed Old World Blues (I think) and, since Bioware has a bad history of DLC's, he didn't really give it that much of a chance.

It all boils down to the state of mind at the time of playing. For example, I was playing Old World Blues at 11pm and felt like it was really monotonous... come the morning, I felt it was brilliant. It's all about the mind!

[Seeker Sparrow]

I think the reviewer was just incredibly biased towards not liking DA2, personally or at least in my mind if you don't like the vanilla game then getting a DLC for said game would seem a little silly pointless as most times a mission-pack that lasts between 2-4 hours isn't going to fundamentally change what you really hated about the game, it may slightly improve on it's strengths but not enough to warrant a complete turnaround.

Having said that though the reviewer who works for Gamespot most very likely didn't pay for the DLC himself, though biased or unbiased review I had to disagree with 90% of what he said about Legacy.

[Zanallen]

Jar-Based Karate wrote...

@Zanallen:

The issue is that you could be getting 40 hours of the best RPG you ever played for that same price.

40 hours of an old game, sure. Are we comparing prices of new things to games that have been out for about 10 years? 'Cause that is stupid.

[joelc16]

Totally disagree. This is Bioware's best DLC for Dragon Age, no doubt about that. I loved everything about and I thought the final boss battle was the best one yet. I bet you the reviewer couldn't beat the final boss, that's why he gave it a bad review.

[mordarwarlock]

[Unnecessary insults removed]

Modifié par JohnEpler, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:44 .

[Saintthanksgiving]

Couple of points to chew on here...

A few of you said you hated DA2, but thought Legacy was good.
-You realize that buying DLC for a game that you didn't like will only encourage EA to make more games that you didn't like.... we all understand basic economics here?

The completely arbitrary ranking system on these forums irks me just a bit. The 9/10 ranking should be reserved for games that are truly truly magnificent. A game good enough for a 9 should forever change every game that follows it. Just because you liked it, just because you loved it, doesn't put it among the" best ever"

Likewise for the 0's... a game really shouldn't get lower than a 4 unless it was complete garbage. A "0" should be completely unplayable... there has to be some sense of reason here.

For example, Modern Warfare 2 is easily a 9 because every shooter since has emulated it.

I loved origins, but I would have a tough time giving it an 8.

I dont remember the last time I played anything that deserved less than a 4.  The fact that PC Gamer gave DA2 more than a 90 is absurd based on the level reuse alone

Modifié par Saintthanksgiving, 29 juillet 2011 - 10:10 .

[Savber100]

Saintthanksgiving wrote...

Couple of points to chew on here...

A few of you said you hated DA2, but thought Legacy was good.
-You realize that buying DLC for a game that you didn't like will only encourage EA to make more games that you didn't like.... we all understand basic economics here?

The completely arbitrary ranking system on these forums irks me just a bit. The 9/10 ranking should be reserved for games that are truly truly magnificent. A game good enough for a 9 should forever change every game that follows it. Just because you liked it, just because you loved it, doesn't put it among the" best ever"

Likewise for the 0's... a game really shouldn't get lower than a 4 unless it was complete garbage. A "0" should be completely unplayable... there has to be some sense of reason here.

For example, Modern Warfare 2 is easily a 9 because every shooter since has emulated it.

I loved origins, but I would have a tough time giving it an 8.

I dont remember the last time I played anything that deserved less than a 4.  The fact that PC Gamer gave DA2 more than a 90 is absurd based on the level reuse alone

You can thank the gaming websites for this. Nowadays, a 7 equals the same as a 4. 

For me personally, I think we think we should get rid of number rating entirely as no numerical value can accurately say if a game is good or not due to its subjective nature. 

[Realmzmaster]

Jar-Based Karate wrote...

@Zanallen:

The issue is that you could be getting 40 hours of the best RPG you ever played for that same price.

Been there and done that. I just finished playing Baldur's Gate 1 & 2 and Icewind Dale 1 & 2. And it reminded me why I like Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 better, the D & D mechanics!

The stories are good, but I am glad Bioware decided to make its own IP.

[Morroian]

bleetman wrote...

Can we stop saying it's a 'two hour dlc'? It took me at least twice that both times, and I can't say I was dumb struck by a puzzle or banging my head against a wall with any of the combat at any point.

Yep my first time took me 6 hours on nightmare. some of it was backtracking but no more than an hour.

Jar-Based Karate wrote...

And re: the "effort and quality" thing, the issue is not that it had more effort shown than an equivalent 2 hours of DA2, but that it didn't present as much of an expansion as something like Gen. Knoxx, or even Shadow Broker.

Borderlands and FNV are not comparable because they don't have the voiceover work to do. As for lotsb Legacy is better, better story, its longer, better combat.

Modifié par Morroian, 30 juillet 2011 - 12:21 .

[Raycer X]

Gamespot is wrong.

No, I'm not fanboy raging/flaming mode angry, but I'm a little disappointed in Gamespot's review.

I think that Legacy is easily worth at least a 7 IF NOT an 8.

9 would be pushing it a little since I think there would have been many ways of making Legacy better.

But as Legacy stands, as is, it's an 8 in my books.

[SilentK]

Hmm... I've scouted around a bit on the different reviews and so far I haven't found one that mentions something that I really really like. The fact that you get a different scene with the Hawke family if you play it in different Acts. For me that is instant replay-value. So far I've played it once with Bethany in Act 3 and once with Carver. Creating a new FemHawke in order to see it in Act 1. I love it, that I have something new to see even if it is the 3:rd time I play it. Perhaps I skimmed over that part when reading  =) don't believe for a second that I have read every review out there, not at all. But a few and so far I haven't seen much on it.

Modifié par SilentK, 30 juillet 2011 - 01:31 .

[Bladescorpion]

add COD to the title and it woudl get a 9/10

[S_I_a_D]

I agree with the review.
Did Legacy have new areas and enemies? Certainly. But in the end those new areas were just more brown tunnels, the new enemies had very limited gameplay implications, and the whole DLC was little more than a tubular dungeon crawl with even bigger enemy waves than the base game. Was that really what DA2 needed? 20 Carta thugs supported by 30 Carta snipers?
Oh and the final boss had incredibly lame dialogue. Tiny exposition => I KILL YOU NOW! => Oh no how could I lose? => The end. Yes he was a (you know what), which was an intriguing twist, but would it really be asking too much to give a little more new lore to fans?
So yeah, same old mediocre gameplay + linear hack&slay dungeon with little new lore = 5ish review very justified in my book.

Modifié par S_I_a_D, 31 juillet 2011 - 05:34 .

[Robhuzz]

Who cares about reviews anyway? All it is is an opinion from a single person. Even if that review has a fancy tag above it, that doesn't make it the truth. And that's how I treat it. Gamespot didn't like Legacy? I did. Looking forward to more DLC like this.

[Uccio]

The review was spot on. I had problems to go through this dlc without yawning all the time. Nothing new, minor revelations storywise and couple of minor items (which I hate since I hate these gigantic anime items, which normal person could not lift and certainly not fight with them). Booring and not worth the money.

[Alright-Television]

A 3 hour long adventure is not worth 10 dollars, no matter how tight and exciting it is.
Not to brag but Obsidian just gave us another 7-10 hour long DLC for the same price.
Go pick up a copy of Old World Blues today!

[Night Prowler76]

Bazedragon wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

Also $5.00 an hour? Really? Id rather hire a drunken clown to entertain me for 2 hours at $5.00 an hour than mindless hack and slash bland combat. Overpriced DLC is OVERPRICED!

Then rather letting us know you'd rather do it, just do it. I'm 90% sure it would entertain you more than typing how much you hate DA2 over and over.

Im so sorry you dont enjoy my rants Dave of Canada. If it were not for the tedious overuse of bland hack and slash combat leading towards the same inevitable and highly predictable 2 choice ending what ever else could I possibly rant about though? Your thoughts and feedback on the Iwasdrunkbro ranting system is needed to help me improve!

You could just not rant, and play a game you enjoy. Reiterating your discontent with a game is not going to make it any better. Especially when there's plenty others who are actually enjoying the game for what it is.

"Sit down, shut up, if you're mad, you don't want to go around spreading it to everyone else!"

And you could be playing the game as well, instead of defending a mediocre product, perhaps you should shut you mouth and sit down as well, go play your hack n slash game untill  your blue in the face, why come on here, go play:blink:

[Night Prowler76]

Alright-Television wrote...

A 3 hour long adventure is not worth 10 dollars, no matter how tight and exciting it is.
Not to brag but Obsidian just gave us another 7-10 hour long DLC for the same price.
Go pick up a copy of Old World Blues today!

Yeppers, Im playing that and the newest DLC as well, I bought em so I could level up to 40, and you actually get value for your money, not the 2 hours DLC for 800 points thats BioWare offers, sorry BioWare, you are turning the DA franchise into a dinosaur, people want more substance for their money, not less.

[Rawgrim]

I got the Legacy dlc today. Been playing it for awhile, and I am at the end of it (I think). Its pretty much 90 percent hack and slash + a very very cheesy bossfight at the end. Reminds me of Diablo 2, actually.

[Alright-Television]

I gotta say I've heard a lot of this "go away and stop saying bad things about this thing I like" on forums like these. I don't get that at all. It's like you're all saying "I can't answer why you're wrong, go away". It's lazy and a little bit cowardly to be honest. Legacy (and most BioWare-related DLC, frankly) IS overpriced. Three to five hours is not something you pay ten dollars for when the main game cost, what, 40-50 dollars? (Also overpriced, btw.) It's overpriced compared to other DLCs and it's overpriced compared to the main game. There's no getting around that, but if there is a way nobody seem all that willing to tell us why.

So, hey, if you can't tell us why we're wrong, how about going away and coming back when you've thought about something to say? Sound good? Of course it sounds good. I'm the sound good magic machine.

[Dandynermite]

I hated DA:2, and I hate Legacy, spot on review

Edited:

Changed my mind, the review is too kind

Modifié par Dandynermite, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:17 .

[Gunderic]

I was 'concerned' we would get another dungeon crawler-type DLC when first I saw the achievements ( a hasty assumption, and I was aware of it ). Looks like this seems to confirm it though.

Don't think I'll bother. There's very little reason for me to return to the game right now.

Modifié par Gunderic, 31 juillet 2011 - 06:20 .

[TEWR]

All these people saying the DLC is just combat, I ask you this...

What were the DAO DLCs? Tea and cakes with Darkspawn? I mean seriously. Warden's Keep was just fighting demons and undead with dialogue spruced in. Return to Ostagar was almost entirely combat with 4 short cutscenes.

And that's pretty much what Legacy is, only it's better (imo) than both of those two in every way

Claims like "It's just combat with barely any dialogue!" make abso-****ing-lutely no sense to me.

[Melca36]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

All these people saying the DLC is just combat, I ask you this...

What were the DAO DLCs? Tea and cakes with Darkspawn? I mean seriously. Warden's Keep was just fighting demons and undead with dialogue spruced in. Return to Ostagar was almost entirely combat with 4 short cutscenes.

And that's pretty much what Legacy is, only it's better (imo) than both of those two in every way

Claims like "It's just combat with barely any dialogue!" make abso-****ing-lutely no sense to me.

How much you want to bet that 5 out of ten people trolling this thread with their own so called reviews have not even played Legacy?