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[Skullheart]

There's a lot of humans who are against slavery. How many batarians are against slavery?

[Juha81FIN]

Mesina2 wrote...

Juha81FIN wrote...

Batarians are no good slave traders and ruhtless - colonist shep will show no mercy for any batarian who comes across.

That's strange, my Colonist Shepard's show mercy to Batarians.

I guess not everyone is Buthcer of Torfan .

[DonDaMon]

Skullheart wrote...

There's a lot of humans who are against slavery. How many batarians are against slavery?

We don't know because we don't know what the general Batarian population thinks of their caste system.

[Skullheart]

But isn't slavery part of their culture? that means that the mayority of the batarians endorses slavery.

[RocketManSR2]

If the batarians only enslaved their own species, I would be more tolerant of them. The fact is they don't. Attacking another species' colony and forcibly taking slaves, killing all the rest is an act of war. The Council did nothing. Even if there were no Reapers, the Council still isn't worth a damn. My colonist and ruthless Shepards will see to it that 300,000 won't be the last. At least if I have anything to say about it.

My spacer/sole survivor has only been betrayed by his own species (Cerberus) so he is a little more tolerant. The batarian in Bring Down the Sky admitted "it was only supposed to be a slave grab." That is when a line was crossed. If he sees a batarian taking slaves or hears one admit they were going to, guns will be drawn. The sick batarian on Mordin's recruitment mission was doing neither of those. He was just another guy trying to eek out a life on Omega, so I helped him.

Modifié par RocketManSR2, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:23 .

[Brand New]

God damn terrorists I say!

[bobdooly]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

If the batarians only enslaved their own species, I would be more tolerant of them. The fact is they don't. Attacking another species' colony and forcibly taking slaves, killing all the rest is an act of war. The Council did nothing. Even if there were no Reapers, the Council still isn't worth a damn. My colonist and ruthless Shepards will see to it that 300,000 won't be the last. At least if I have anything to say about it.

This times at least 4

[RocketManSR2]

I wonder how the Council would've responded if it had been an asari colony that had gotten hit by batarian raiders.......

[Ieldra]

Prevailing batarian culture is, no doubt, despicable. But the same holds true for most human cultures for 95% of the history of civilization on Earth since the neolithic.

That's why I call the batarians humanity's dark mirror. Their prevailing culture embodies what humans are at their worst, what humans have been at many times and in many places in history, and, above all, what humans can become again if circumstances are just right (or should I say wrong).

So - of course it is appropriate to look at any batarian we meet with suspicion. And of course we kill batarian slavers and terrorists, they've done more than enough to earn it. But to hate batarians as a species - that's not appropriate. That people do it nonetheless just shows the similarity between us and them. Those who say "The only good batarian is a dead batarian" specifically remind me of cultures like theirs.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:29 .

[marshalleck]

Ieldra2 wrote...
 Those who say "The only good batarian is a dead batarian" specifically remind me of cultures like theirs.

But that is absolutely true of the games. Every single batarian you meet in the game is an ****. Until they're dead, anyway.

[TheChris92]

I don't really hate all Batarians in general, which seems extreme to say the least. However, it is hard to feel sorry for them, after they attacked Elysium, because they thought they had dibs on the planet. One of my Shepsters is a Colonist and as one could imagine she isn't too happy about Batarians after Mindoir.

Modifié par TheChris92, 29 juillet 2011 - 08:38 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

They attacked us when we where simply setting up colonies on worlds preaproved by the council the problem was they were preapproved the same worlds. So comparing the native Americans and the whites is a fail more like the Rwanda both people lived in the same space its just the one side decided they were better then the other and wanted to kill those they auto deemed less then themselves.

The batarains killed us because they thought we were the lesser, they also are barbaric in how they treat their slaves and the fact that they actively attack, kill, and enslave people who just want to live their lives. Slaver as they say is a class for them they do not value life like other species do. Sorry these galactic douchebags don't get my sympathy vote for anything the only ones I tolerate are the few and far between that have some sense in their heads.

[bobdooly]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

I wonder how the Council would've responded if it had been an asari colony that had gotten hit by batarian raiders.......

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Lorek

[Ieldra]

marshalleck wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
 Those who say "The only good batarian is a dead batarian" specifically remind me of cultures like theirs.

But that is absolutely true of the games. Every single batarian you meet in the game is an ****. Until they're dead, anyway.

What about the sick one on Mordin's recruitment mission. The batarians with Daniel weren't too bad either. Yes, they threatened him, but in their situation I could absolutely understand them.

[RocketManSR2]

"Minor galactic incident" = shots were fired. In other words the Council actually did something because it was an asari colony. Sorry, I'm derailing the topic. It just proves how worthless they are, though.

[marshalleck]

Ieldra2 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
 Those who say "The only good batarian is a dead batarian" specifically remind me of cultures like theirs.

But that is absolutely true of the games. Every single batarian you meet in the game is an ****. Until they're dead, anyway.

What about the sick one on Mordin's recruitment mission. The batarians with Daniel weren't too bad either. Yes, they threatened him, but in their situation I could absolutely understand them.

The sick batarian was blaming the disease on all humans, simply because humans weren't getting sick. The ones with Daniel weren't just threatening him, they were about to murder him. Stop making excuses. The sick batarian was just a ******, but the ones about to execute a doctor in a plague quarantine, of all places, are just inexcusable.

[Domunication]

 I find them interesting and hope that there will be a Batarian squadmate who will give us an in-depth view of Batarian life. As so far I don't believe we've seen much more than Batarian slavery/terrorism and conflict with humans. Having said that the events of Arrival definately create a difficult situation for non-hostile Batarians

[Ieldra]

@marshalleck
The sick batarian thought humans are all bastards, and learned better if you helped you, that was the point of it. Batarians are individuals just like humans.

As for those with Daniel, they thought he was spreading the plague. You can deny it all you want, but it is very plausible to believe that humans are responsible.

You're judging their behaviour on knowledge they don't have.

Edit:
Yes, I would also like to have a temporary batarian team member.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:07 .

[bobdooly]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

"Minor galactic incident" = shots were fired. In other words the Council actually did something because it was an asari colony. Sorry, I'm derailing the topic. It just proves how worthless they are, though.

Exactly. One could argue that the Council is as bad as the Batarians because of allowing not only humanity to be enslaved (even though the Alliance is a member species) but throughout the galaxy. Also, indentured servants.

Ieldra2 wrote...

@marshalleck
The sick batarian thought humans are all bastards, and learned better if you helped you, that was the point of it. Batarians are individuals just like humans. 

As for those with Daniel, they thought he was spreading the plague. You can deny it all you want, but it is very plausible to believe that humans are responsible.

You're judging their behaviour on knowledge they don't have. 

Edit:
Yes, I would also like to have a temporary batarian team member.

They thought a man was spreading the plague because he was human and were about to murder him. If he was smart enough to make the plague h would know the vorcha are immune.

Modifié par bobdooly, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:10 .

[dahoughtonuk]

Indeed the three races that most mirror aspects of humanity are Batarian's, Quarian's and Turian's, Each is a possible path we could have taken.

Batarians are ruthless, have a caste system and are slave owners.
Quarian's are ambition without foresight.
Turian's are in theory "The Law is All". there are exceptions of course. It's somewhat alien to us now, but we had a culture like that on Earth.

This is a part of the reason we scare the council. We swooped up multiple colonies, successfully defended them, and they can sees aspects of the Batarians, Quarian's, Turians and Krogan is us. Of course they didn't don;t realise we;re running a massive bluff. The Salarian's started being friendly, so I think they now know.

[marshalleck]

Ieldra2 wrote...

You're judging their behaviour on knowledge they don't have.

No, I am judging their behavior on their behavior. 

Shocking, I know. 

[dahoughtonuk]

marshalleck wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

You're judging their behaviour on knowledge they don't have.

No, I am judging their behavior on their behavior. 

Shocking, I know. 

The sick batarian made a logical conclusion since he didn't have STG reports Mordin has and knows about Cerberus. "Human tech not up to this"

The Batarian's were panicking. operating on instinct/ingrained. "Human enemy" Once you get them to calm down, they realise what they were doing.

Modifié par dahoughtonuk, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:17 .

[Han Shot First]

Modifié par Han Shot First, 29 juillet 2011 - 09:40 .

[Goneaviking]

DonDaMon wrote...

I like them ...any one who doesn't like them has either been sheltered their entire lives, or they just don't understand the real world. What Humanity did to them is akin to what the White Man did to the natives of North America. The Batarians did what they thought suited them the best, and that was declaring Humanity public enemy number 1. Only downside about them is their slavery. Other than that Batarians deserve more of a chance to live than the parasitic Quarians who strip star system after system just to sustain their un important and un needed population that serve no major nor minor role in the galactic stag[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/whistling.png[/smilie]e.

Ummm. No.

Humanity, by which I'm assuming you mean the Alliance, didn't steal land that belonged to the Batarians. They colonised areas that the Batarians wanted but their claims hadn't been recognised by the council, also they didn't commit genocide on the Batarian people and force them to either abandon their way of life or reside in confined areas that the militarily superior Alliance didn't have an interest in taking.

For over a thousand years the Batarians behaved like belligerant children and when they met a group that had no intention in grabbing ankle they picked up their toys and went home, and having been throwing a tantrum ever since.

Aside from their practice of slavery, which is more than a simple downside given that they actively raid weak colonies to take slaves their government is a tyranny and extremely isolationist. Think North Korea, but with an active policy of openly funding terrorism against rivals who deign to notice them.

That said, there are several Batarians depicted in ME2 that are sympathetic and I'd like to see some more of them going forwards. Given the scale and character of ME3 it's not an unreasonable hope that we might be able to take peek at some more Batarians that aren't slavers, terrorists, or total bastards.

[Skullheart]

The only nice batarian that I remember is Cathka, and I stabbed him with a tool.