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[ThePwener]

Obviously yes. At soime point, Shepard will come across a cure for the Drell just like he did with the Genophage.

Like someone said here in the BSN: "All of these inexplicable events will turn Shepard into a wizard".

[crimzontearz]

Saberchic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I find it highly unlikely that Thane will survive. He's near death as is when we go after the collector base. I like him, and I hope he gets a fitting end.

Having said that, I wouldn't object to a remedy of sorts as long as it's believable.

Thane shouldn't be saved based solely on his status as a LI.

that robs some players of a possible happy ending with him

doubt they will let him die

But he told the player out front that he was dying. It's not some shocking reveal. Heck, I like Thane. I'm even doing a playthrough where I romance him, but I'm not expecting BW to cater to me because of it.

If there's a plausible way for Thane to be cured, I don't object to it being in the game.

yeah and that was part of his charm and blah blah blabbity blah blah ....but the point remains Bioware is not going to kill him off and prevent those who romanced him to have a "riding off in the sunset" scene with him.

Yes Bioware will cater to you...not directly but you know what I mean....

also, Keprel Syndrom is not genetic. For all you know all one has to do is have enough creds to have a pair of Flash Cloned lungs made for him in the terminus systems where such thing is not illegal. Remember humanking tinkered a LOT with genetic modifications.....a scientist worth his salt like Mordin could even make said lungs impervious to further water-related damage

[wildannie]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

So a character tells you he's dying of an incurable disease, he tells you every time you talk to him that he's dying, and then you'll not play the sequel because you're so shocked that he dies of the incurable disease he's warned you about since before you even got emotionally attached to him? That makes no sense.

I don't think there should be an option to 'not cure him', because that makes a Shepard who takes that option a total ass. And it's not that I want him dead anyway, I could just do the SM and get him killed if I wanted that. I just think BioWare should follow through with what they started.

Just because Thane says its incurable doesn't make it so, he's not a medical professional!, reading between the lines it doesn't seem that there's been much research done, with only the Hanar looking into it.  It's a bit strange that we don't get to ask Mordin about Keprals, he's quite clever... cured a plague, altered the genophage...
Thane's shadowbroker dossier states that he's would be a suitable candidate for transplant which would extend his life (maybe long enough for there to be a cure).  

These are perfectly plausible ways in which Thane can survive

Thane's story arc when romanced seems to move away from acceptance of his fate. His life has been turned around, he's speaking with his son and has found love again. He may be more inclined to accept or even seek out  treatments than when in his 'battle sleep'.  

I really hope that players who have Thane romances are not excluded from a happy ending. It annoys me no end the number of people who are averse to there being the option of a cure for those who want it.

Modifié par wildannie, 30 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .

[Saberchic]

crimzontearz wrote...

Saberchic wrote...
But he told the player out front that he was dying. It's not some shocking reveal. Heck, I like Thane. I'm even doing a playthrough where I romance him, but I'm not expecting BW to cater to me because of it.

If there's a plausible way for Thane to be cured, I don't object to it being in the game.

yeah and that was part of his charm and blah blah blabbity blah blah ....but the point remains Bioware is not going to kill him off and prevent those who romanced him to have a "riding off in the sunset" scene with him.

And that's just unfortunate. LI should not = plot armor.

Yes Bioware will cater to you...not directly but you know what I mean....

also, Keprel Syndrom is not genetic. For all you know all one has to do is have enough creds to have a pair of Flash Cloned lungs made for him in the terminus systems where such thing is not illegal. Remember humanking tinkered a LOT with genetic modifications.....a scientist worth his salt like Mordin could even make said lungs impervious to further water-related damage

That would be... interesting and not something I would object to depending on how it was implemented into the story.  After all, there are already scientists who have been working on curing his condition.

[JetsoverEverything]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

I believe they should have a side-mission to get him cure and a timer so Shepard can hurry it up or else he ends up dead.

thats lame..

[crimzontearz]

Saberchic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

Saberchic wrote...
But he told the player out front that he was dying. It's not some shocking reveal. Heck, I like Thane. I'm even doing a playthrough where I romance him, but I'm not expecting BW to cater to me because of it.

If there's a plausible way for Thane to be cured, I don't object to it being in the game.

yeah and that was part of his charm and blah blah blabbity blah blah ....but the point remains Bioware is not going to kill him off and prevent those who romanced him to have a "riding off in the sunset" scene with him.

And that's just unfortunate. LI should not = plot armor.

Yes Bioware will cater to you...not directly but you know what I mean....

also, Keprel Syndrom is not genetic. For all you know all one has to do is have enough creds to have a pair of Flash Cloned lungs made for him in the terminus systems where such thing is not illegal. Remember humanking tinkered a LOT with genetic modifications.....a scientist worth his salt like Mordin could even make said lungs impervious to further water-related damage

That would be... interesting and not something I would object to depending on how it was implemented into the story.  After all, there are already scientists who have been working on curing his condition.

oh yeah..the hanar. Sorry but human scientsists who have been gene-splicing for decades with incredible results are more suited for it


also LI = Plot armor in this case. Quite simply because Bioware does not want to ****** people off and incour in some players not wanting to replay the game because they always and only romanced Thane and must bear with him dying no matter what in their playthrough

[ThePwener]

wildannie wrote...

So a character tells you he's dying of an incurable disease, he tells you every time you talk to him that he's dying, and then you'll not play the sequel because you're so shocked that he dies of the incurable disease he's warned you about since before you even got emotionally attached to him? That makes no sense.

This is baseless speculation. for all we know, the Hanar are as intelligent as the Asari or Salarians - unlikely. Thane is't a doctor, but just because the Hanar haven't found a cure, doesn't mean others will. Practically nothing has been said of this "thing" except the cause and effect.

[ThatDancingTurian]

wildannie wrote...

Just because Thane says its incurable doesn't make it so, he's not a medical professional!, reading between the lines it doesn't seem that there's been much research done, with only the Hanar looking into it.  It's a bit strange that we don't get to ask Mordin about Keprals, he's quite clever... cured a plague, altered the genophage...
Thane's shadowbroker dossier states that he's would be a suitable candidate for transplant which would extend his life (maybe long enough for there to be a cure).  

These are perfectly plausible ways in which Thane can survive

Thane's story arc when romanced seems to move away from acceptance of his fate, his life has been turned around, he's speaking with his son and has found love again, he may be more inclined to accept or even seek out  treatments than when in his 'battle sleep'.  

I really hope that players who have Thane romances are not excluded from a happy ending. It annoys me no end the number of people who are averse to there being the option of a cure for those who want it.

I never said they couldn't come up with a scientific reason for him to survive. They had the Lazarus Project, so they've already made science their b****.

I'm saying thematically, he shouldn't survive if the only thing they tell us in the first game is he's dying of an incurable disease that he will be dead from and at that point he will cease to live. There was no indication (unless you're 'reading between the lines' to the point of making things up) that there was any hope for him pre-LotSB.

Also, I didn't see his romance as him moving away from accepting his fate so much as losing his seemingly unshakeable calm and showing vulnerability, which is a necessary and classic part of any tragic romance, the point where the dying person admits that they're scared of death.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

I really like Thane... but honestly... I hope he dies... not enough squad mate deaths in these games. Potentially dying b/c of bad choices doesn't count. Only one squad mate dies without a doubt. That's the VS.

[crimzontearz]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

wildannie wrote...

Just because Thane says its incurable doesn't make it so, he's not a medical professional!, reading between the lines it doesn't seem that there's been much research done, with only the Hanar looking into it.  It's a bit strange that we don't get to ask Mordin about Keprals, he's quite clever... cured a plague, altered the genophage...
Thane's shadowbroker dossier states that he's would be a suitable candidate for transplant which would extend his life (maybe long enough for there to be a cure).  

These are perfectly plausible ways in which Thane can survive

Thane's story arc when romanced seems to move away from acceptance of his fate, his life has been turned around, he's speaking with his son and has found love again, he may be more inclined to accept or even seek out  treatments than when in his 'battle sleep'.  

I really hope that players who have Thane romances are not excluded from a happy ending. It annoys me no end the number of people who are averse to there being the option of a cure for those who want it.

I never said they couldn't come up with a scientific reason for him to survive. They had the Lazarus Project, so they've already made science their b****.

I'm saying thematically, he shouldn't survive if the only thing they tell us in the first game is he's dying of an incurable disease that he will be dead from and at that point he will cease to live. There was no indication (unless you're 'reading between the lines' to the point of making things up) that there was any hope for him pre-LotSB.

Also, I didn't see his romance as him moving away from accepting his fate so much as losing his seemingly unshakeable calm and showing vulnerability, which is a necessary and classic part of any tragic romance, the point where the dying person admits that they're scared of death.

the statement I bolded is wrong in 2 ways

Firstly  because we know (even without LOTSB) that flash cloning and gene splicing are technologies both proven and readily available for those with enough money and contacts (as per the codex it is illegal....but what isn't in the terminus?) Thane's disease is not genetic so even flash closing his own lungs from his own genetic material would not be far fetched.

Secondly because "just" because it was not in the vanilla game and only added as a DLC it does not make it "not in the game" or "less relevant". Arrival is not in the vanilla game BUT Shepard is on trial because of the events depicted in it no matter what.

[ThePwener]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

I really like Thane... but honestly... I hope he dies... not enough squad mate deaths in these games. Potentially dying b/c of bad choices doesn't count. Only one squad mate dies without a doubt. That's the VS.

Not enough? It depends on how you play. You want deaths? Play ME2 like a reckless retard. Seriously, don't dare complain on that. ME2 gave you A LOT of opportunities to kill off people (even outside of the SM). Not everything has to be forced.

[Saberchic]

crimzontearz wrote...

oh yeah..the hanar. Sorry but human scientsists who have been gene-splicing for decades with incredible results are more suited for it

All humans are racists!  

also LI = Plot armor in this case. Quite simply because Bioware does not want to ****** people off and incour in some players not wanting to replay the game because they always and only romanced Thane and must bear with him dying no matter what in their playthrough

I can see your point.

I'm not particularly fond of that reasoning as I think it has the potential to ruin a story, but I can understand the logic behind it. I'm not quite sure why I didn't think of it before.

I just want the cure to be in the realm of plausibility. If my mage grey warden pops onto the Normandy to cure Thane, I'm gonna be pissed.

[ThePwener]

Saberchic wrote...

also LI = Plot armor in this case. Quite simply because Bioware does not want to ****** people off and incour in some players not wanting to replay the game because they always and only romanced Thane and must bear with him dying no matter what in their playthrough

I can see your point.

I'm not particularly fond of that reasoning as I think it has the potential to ruin a story, but I can understand the logic behind it. I'm not quite sure why I didn't think of it before.

I just want the cure to be in the realm of plausibility. If my mage grey warden pops onto the Normandy to cure Thane, I'm gonna be pissed.

You fall in love with a man that you know is dying then complain that he dies? wut

[wildannie]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I never said they couldn't come up with a scientific reason for him to survive. They had the Lazarus Project, so they've already made science their b****.

I'm saying thematically, he shouldn't survive if the only thing they tell us in the first game is he's dying of an incurable disease that he will be dead from and at that point he will cease to live. There was no indication (unless you're 'reading between the lines' to the point of making things up) that there was any hope for him pre-LotSB.

I like to read between the lines 

But LotSB *did* happen and it *does* suggest there is hope of prolonging his life.

I think that during one conversation Thane says something like he 'doesn't expect' he will be alive long enough to see a cure.  He doesn't say 'there is absolutely no way'.  

If ME3 wasn't part of a trilogy I might see things differently but as I've spent many many hours playing through ME 1&2 and have numerous Thanemancing sheps I don't want the experience to be marred by an inescapable tragic ending.

[Golden Owl]

wildannie wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

So a character tells you he's dying of an incurable disease, he tells you every time you talk to him that he's dying, and then you'll not play the sequel because you're so shocked that he dies of the incurable disease he's warned you about since before you even got emotionally attached to him? That makes no sense.

I don't think there should be an option to 'not cure him', because that makes a Shepard who takes that option a total ass. And it's not that I want him dead anyway, I could just do the SM and get him killed if I wanted that. I just think BioWare should follow through with what they started.

Just because Thane says its incurable doesn't make it so, he's not a medical professional!, reading between the lines it doesn't seem that there's been much research done, with only the Hanar looking into it.  It's a bit strange that we don't get to ask Mordin about Keprals, he's quite clever... cured a plague, altered the genophage...
Thane's shadowbroker dossier states that he's would be a suitable candidate for transplant which would extend his life (maybe long enough for there to be a cure).  

These are perfectly plausible ways in which Thane can survive

Thane's story arc when romanced seems to move away from acceptance of his fate. His life has been turned around, he's speaking with his son and has found love again. He may be more inclined to accept or even seek out  treatments than when in his 'battle sleep'.  

I really hope that players who have Thane romances are not excluded from a happy ending. It annoys me no end the number of people who are averse to there being the option of a cure for those who want it.

I'm hoping it's not just the romanced Thane who can or will accept treatment....I play a manShep. Though his son should be enough to give him new hope and life...I hope so anyway.

[crimzontearz]

Saberchic wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

oh yeah..the hanar. Sorry but human scientsists who have been gene-splicing for decades with incredible results are more suited for it

All humans are racists!  

also LI = Plot armor in this case. Quite simply because Bioware does not want to ****** people off and incour in some players not wanting to replay the game because they always and only romanced Thane and must bear with him dying no matter what in their playthrough

I can see your point.

I'm not particularly fond of that reasoning as I think it has the potential to ruin a story, but I can understand the logic behind it. I'm not quite sure why I didn't think of it before.

I just want the cure to be in the realm of plausibility. If my mage grey warden pops onto the Normandy to cure Thane, I'm gonna be pissed.

because it may not have happened to you thus you did not consider it.....I do not want him to be magically cured either butgiven what we already know it is silly he is not cured yet

[wildannie]

@Golden Owl I think a cure should be possible for all except a disloyal Thane, being reconnected with his son should give him the will to fight to live on

[ThatDancingTurian]

crimzontearz wrote...

the statement I bolded is wrong in 2 ways

Firstly  because we know (even without LOTSB) that flash cloning and gene splicing are technologies both proven and readily available for those with enough money and contacts (as per the codex it is illegal....but what isn't in the terminus?) Thane's disease is not genetic so even flash closing his own lungs from his own genetic material would not be far fetched.

Secondly because "just" because it was not in the vanilla game and only added as a DLC it does not make it "not in the game" or "less relevant". Arrival is not in the vanilla game BUT Shepard is on trial because of the events depicted in it no matter what.

If it were in the vanilla game (perhaps with some other hints he might survive), it would seem like they planned to offer a cure all along and wouldn't feel like a cheap attempt to make us feel sorry for this tragic soul with no hope. As an add-on several months later, it makes it seem like they changed their minds about where they wanted to go with him. We don't know when that was written for LotSB. It might have been a late addition to the DLC made after the 'Cure for Thane' folks stated their case.

In the original game, they did everything possible to make us think there was no way to save Thane in regards to his dialogues. If they go around and cure him now, then what was it all for? If he's cured in ME3, then everything in ME2 is meaningless, a promise of drama without a pay-off.

Modifié par Aris Ravenstar, 30 juillet 2011 - 01:17 .

[Sharn01]

I kind of hope he dies, but if they do come up with some miracle cure for him I really dont want Shep to have anything to do with its creation, fighting through a swarm of mercs who have stolen an experimental cure, sure, but that should be the most involvement Shep has.

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

ThePwener wrote...

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

I really like Thane... but honestly... I hope he dies... not enough squad mate deaths in these games. Potentially dying b/c of bad choices doesn't count. Only one squad mate dies without a doubt. That's the VS.

Not enough? It depends on how you play. You want deaths? Play ME2 like a reckless retard. Seriously, don't dare complain on that. ME2 gave you A LOT of opportunities to kill off people (even outside of the SM). Not everything has to be forced.

I'm talking SCRIPTED deaths. Like Thane dying in an epic cutscene where he takes out a huge force or whatever to help get Shepard to his objective.

Like I said.... ME2 squad mates only die if you're retarded or kill them on purpose. NOT the kind of death I'm talking about. I like the type of decision making that happens on the SM and I hope for more of that as well. But there also needs to be more scripted deaths (that we won't know they are going to happen) and we choose to send A or B in.... and whoever it was... dies... while helping the mission go forward.

I mean, we fighting the fraking reapers here.... who are supposedly the worst thing ever (way worse than the collectors) people should die. And not just those random NPCs no one cares about. 

Modifié par xxSgt_Reed_24xx, 30 juillet 2011 - 01:24 .

[Jonathan Shepard]

The Drell had less than a year to live when Shepard met him. Me3 takes place 8-10 months after Arrival.

That doesn't sound like Thane's got a good chance of surviving. He'll appear, sure... but only briefly.

[wildannie]

@Aris Ravenstar So you think that in ME1 they had decided to make Tali and Garrus romancable??

'what was it all for?' The effect the illness had upon Thane's outlook and character would not disappear with a cure, he's still the same awesome character. If you like the character, and accept that there is no reason scientifically that he shouldn't be cured within the ME universe then maybe you should be glad... death is a sad thing, it's not glorious.

[crimzontearz]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

crimzontearz wrote...

the statement I bolded is wrong in 2 ways

Firstly  because we know (even without LOTSB) that flash cloning and gene splicing are technologies both proven and readily available for those with enough money and contacts (as per the codex it is illegal....but what isn't in the terminus?) Thane's disease is not genetic so even flash closing his own lungs from his own genetic material would not be far fetched.

Secondly because "just" because it was not in the vanilla game and only added as a DLC it does not make it "not in the game" or "less relevant". Arrival is not in the vanilla game BUT Shepard is on trial because of the events depicted in it no matter what.

If it were in the vanilla game (perhaps with some other hints he might survive), it would seem like they planned to offer a cure all along and wouldn't feel like a cheap attempt to make us feel sorry for this tragic soul with no hope. As an add-on several months later, it makes it seem like they changed their minds about where they wanted to go with him. We don't know when that was written for LotSB. It might have been a late addition to the DLC made after the 'Cure for Thane' folks stated their case.

In the original game, they did everything possible to make us think there was no way to save Thane in regards to his dialogues. If they go around and cure him now, then what was it all for? If he's cured in ME3, then everything in ME2 is meaningless, a promise of drama without a pay-off.

and yet......for anyone who actually paid attention that is not the case.

it's in Miranda, Okeer, Mordin/Maelon, hell in the collector themselves and the codex in ME. Given Thane's description of Kerpal syndrome it is silly to think he was not cured earlier.

OF COURSE, a smart person would also evince by this that he did NOT want to be cured. His wife died, his son was estranged...he simply had nothing left to live and by his own admission he had accepted his death. Why not allow Mordin to examin him? why being so dismissive of a genius who twarted the biological warfare techniques of a race SO much more advanced than his own when we know thech is there to save him given enough creds and the illegality of the terminus systems? Why else...? Because, again, Thane wanted to die. He wanted to die sooooooo much that he did not wait for the disease to kill him but he took the Nassana contract knowing he would probably have died. Now Thane has his son back.....now Thane might have a lover in shepard (at which point he confesses he is scared of dying). Now he has the will to live and thus actually TRY to get cured

Edit: you are focusing on his disease....I am focusing on the fact it is silly to think he could not be cured given what we know and the fact it is obvious he did not WANT to be cured at the time

Modifié par crimzontearz, 30 juillet 2011 - 01:27 .

[Saberchic]

ThePwener wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

also LI = Plot armor in this case. Quite simply because Bioware does not want to ****** people off and incour in some players not wanting to replay the game because they always and only romanced Thane and must bear with him dying no matter what in their playthrough

I can see your point.

I'm not particularly fond of that reasoning as I think it has the potential to ruin a story, but I can understand the logic behind it. I'm not quite sure why I didn't think of it before.

I just want the cure to be in the realm of plausibility. If my mage grey warden pops onto the Normandy to cure Thane, I'm gonna be pissed.

You fall in love with a man that you know is dying then complain that he dies? wut

No, not me. Others.

I'm not complaining that he's dying. In fact, I'm one of the ones who thinks that he most likely will die and that he should be cured only if it's plausible. I don't want him to live simply because "a wizard did it" and so people can have their happily ever afters.

Thane told Shep he was dying at their first meeting. I'm just saying that if there's not a cure, people shouldn't be upset by it.

[Dasher1010]

I'd rather see Thane die for Femshep