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[stoicsentry2]

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...
I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

This would be the definition of not knowing when to quit, kids. For future reference: when someone extends you an olive branch, don't take it and try to hit them with it. It just makes you look spiteful.

That was a joke, man.

[Wozearly]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

I accept your apology. 

You're a good man, and probably not the bane of all existence... it's your evil EA overlords that are the problem.

Would you mind going into details about how you plan to ouster them and what we can do to help?

Oh, come on. Its a bit of a stretch to believe that Mike went into work, took a seat and decided "Right, today I'm going to balls up one of our strongest franchises today and betray the fans - and I'm not going to let anyone on the team stop me..."

I appreciate you may have been joking, but jokes that imply someone is incompetent, dishonest and deceitful - after they rose above some emotionally charged accusations and actually offered an apology to you, are just not appropriate. Or all that funny.

Modifié par Wozearly, 05 août 2011 - 10:47 .

[Kothoses Rothenkisal]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Specific apologies to Mr. Laidlaw for my attitude toward him. However, in exchange Mr. Laidlaw, I would also like an apology from you to me.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy DAII.

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

I accept your apology. 

You're a good man, and probably not the bane of all existence... it's your evil EA overlords that are the problem.

Would you mind going into details about how you plan to ouster them and what we can do to help?

Please dont try and spoilt the thread and discussion any further mate, you made your point we get it, you even got a personal apology from the man.  Dont try and make him look an idiot in public you really do just come across badly at that point.

Its posts like that which contribute towards disengagement and disenfranchisement between community and developers, and yes I am aware that to some people DA 2 made a contribution to that same issue, but seriously, enough already please.

[ipgd]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

Somehow, I doubt you would be satisfied even if he were to livestream his seppuku.

[Savber100]

Kothoses Rothenkisal wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Specific apologies to Mr. Laidlaw for my attitude toward him. However, in exchange Mr. Laidlaw, I would also like an apology from you to me.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy DAII.

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

I accept your apology. 

You're a good man, and probably not the bane of all existence... it's your evil EA overlords that are the problem.

Would you mind going into details about how you plan to ouster them and what we can do to help?

Please dont try and spoilt the thread and discussion any further mate, you made your point we get it, you even got a personal apology from the man.  Dont try and make him look an idiot in public you really do just come across badly at that point.

Its posts like that which contribute towards disengagement and disenfranchisement between community and developers, and yes I am aware that to some people DA 2 made a contribution to that same issue, but seriously, enough already please.

I vote for Kothos as a forum moderator. 

[Anarya]

ipgd wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

Somehow, I doubt you would be satisfied even if he were to livestream his seppuku.

Perhaps if they let him roll around in the gore cackling like a madman?

Modifié par Anarya, 05 août 2011 - 10:47 .

[stoicsentry2]

Kothoses Rothenkisal wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Specific apologies to Mr. Laidlaw for my attitude toward him. However, in exchange Mr. Laidlaw, I would also like an apology from you to me.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy DAII.

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

I accept your apology. 

You're a good man, and probably not the bane of all existence... it's your evil EA overlords that are the problem.

Would you mind going into details about how you plan to ouster them and what we can do to help?

Please dont try and spoilt the thread and discussion any further mate, you made your point we get it, you even got a personal apology from the man.  Dont try and make him look an idiot in public you really do just come across badly at that point.

Its posts like that which contribute towards disengagement and disenfranchisement between community and developers, and yes I am aware that to some people DA 2 made a contribution to that same issue, but seriously, enough already please.

Guys, it was a joke about how hyperbolic my previous statements were... a joke... 'evil overlords' don't actually exist at EA, for example.

OMG...

[Tirfan]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Specific apologies to Mr. Laidlaw for my attitude toward him. However, in exchange Mr. Laidlaw, I would also like an apology from you to me.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy DAII.

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

I accept your apology. 

You're a good man, and probably not the bane of all existence... it's your evil EA overlords that are the problem.

Would you mind going into details about how you plan to ouster them and what we can do to help?

Whoa.
An personal apology is good, great thing Mr. Laidlaw if you don't mind me saying so - as an avid DA2-basher - warms my black heart, and I'll drink to that too.

I'd rather take an picture of redesigned Morrigan than an apology though - that could make me give up any hope for even decent DA-game ever again.

[Brockololly]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...
I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

This would be the definition of not knowing when to quit, kids. For future reference: when someone extends you an olive branch, don't take it and try to hit them with it. It just makes you look spiteful.

That was a joke, man.

You clearly missed the tone icon next to your response

[stoicsentry2]

Tirfan wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Specific apologies to Mr. Laidlaw for my attitude toward him. However, in exchange Mr. Laidlaw, I would also like an apology from you to me.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy DAII.

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

I accept your apology. 

You're a good man, and probably not the bane of all existence... it's your evil EA overlords that are the problem.

Would you mind going into details about how you plan to ouster them and what we can do to help?

Whoa.
An personal apology is good, great thing Mr. Laidlaw if you don't mind me saying so - as an avid DA2-basher - warms my black heart, and I'll drink to that too.

I'd rather take an picture of redesigned Morrigan than an apology though - that could make me give up any hope for even decent DA-game ever again.

Yea again if you all didn't realize I was just playing around, it was very nice of Mike to say that. I thought the sarcastic tone was evident in the post but apparently not so... just letting you know.

Civil.

[Xewaka]

Anarya wrote...

ipgd wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...
I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

Somehow, I doubt you would be satisfied even if he were to livestream his seppuku.

Perhaps if they let him roll around in the gore cackling like a madman?

Nah. Let him be the second. You know, the guy who gets to cut the seppuku-er's head to keep him from screaming.
Also, since we're openly discussing things, how's the discussion on making a story that the engine is capable of telling going? Because I think most people dislike Kirkwall because it looks nothing like the codices and dialogues tell it should.

Modifié par Xewaka, 05 août 2011 - 10:58 .

[Kothoses Rothenkisal]

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Tirfan wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

Specific apologies to Mr. Laidlaw for my attitude toward him. However, in exchange Mr. Laidlaw, I would also like an apology from you to me.

I'm sorry you didn't enjoy DAII.

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

I accept your apology. 

You're a good man, and probably not the bane of all existence... it's your evil EA overlords that are the problem.

Would you mind going into details about how you plan to ouster them and what we can do to help?

Whoa.
An personal apology is good, great thing Mr. Laidlaw if you don't mind me saying so - as an avid DA2-basher - warms my black heart, and I'll drink to that too.

I'd rather take an picture of redesigned Morrigan than an apology though - that could make me give up any hope for even decent DA-game ever again.

Yea again if you all didn't realize I was just playing around, it was very nice of Mike to say that. I thought the sarcastic tone was evident in the post but apparently not so... just letting you know.

Civil.

Some call sarcasm the lowest form of wit, I call it the most effective.

I always wanted that quote on my tombstone tbh

[stoicsentry2]

BTW, does this accomplishment make me the NEW "champion of the people"? LOL.

[TEWR]

ipgd wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...

I was looking more for something about how you totally betrayed the fan base by making DA2 into DMC and you now hang your head in shame and sit in a dark corner longing for human companionship, but the PR team probably wouldn't allow that so... good enough.

Somehow, I doubt you would be satisfied even if he were to livestream his seppuku.

for those of you that don't know what seppuku is, it's a Japanese ritualistic form of suicide consisting of disembowelment

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 05 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[ipgd]

stoicsentry2 wrote...



Guys, it was a joke about how hyperbolic my previous statements were... a joke... 'evil overlords' don't actually exist at EA, for example.

OMG...

What you said really wasn't that hyperbolic for the DA2 boards. I've read more ridiculous posts that were completely serious, so you'll have to do worse than that if you actually intend to ping the absurditydar.

Modifié par ipgd, 05 août 2011 - 10:53 .

[Wozearly]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
Now is the time. And I'm still very interested to hear what you folks have to say (unless it is a demand for gameplay videos before we announce anything, that is. ), and we are still working on the formula.

Can I post my idea for Origin stories for DA3?

For the record, whilst I disagree with a number of Ethereal's views on graphics (Old Darkspawn and Old Elves > New Darkspawn and New Elves, no exceptions) I actually liked his ideas a lot when I saw them first time around.

If anyone on the design team has a few minutes spare, it certainly wouldn't hurt to look over them.

[Furtled]

Bryy_Miller wrote...
Kirkwall is really awesome-looking. Most of the feedback seems to be from the fact that there are not a lot of people in it. If there was a population, I doubt it would be an issue.

Loved the arcitecture of Kirkwall, it gave a lot of character to the game world; unfortunately, as others pointed out, you don't really see much of it unless you stop playing and start faffing about with the camera. Lack of people was definitely an issue, especially given the background info on the city initially being crammed to the gills with refugees.

The things that killed it for me were a combination of lack of people (and animals), asset re-use on the extras  (Kirkwall seems to have an over abundance of triplets and even quadruplets on ocassion), something that seemed to be addressed (or at least better disguised) in Legacy, and the lack of (obvious) changes as the years passed.

If the story had been over the course of a year or two then that wouldn't have mattered, but given the timeline of nearly a decade the lack of change was pretty glaring, from Fenris' corpse themed interior design choices to the broken flagstones in Hightown.

I'm sure there's reasons for all of this, the same way there were reasons behind all the other decisons that people took issue with (at a guess a lot of them were deadline/cost related), and I'm quietly confident that any future games set over a similar timeline/limited to one core location will be more alive because the devs have a good handle on what doesn't work.

On complexity - I've played WoW on and off for years, DA has nothing on that when it comes to complicated, yet millions of players seem to gleefully muddle through anyway. Trust that people like a challenge and like to learn, complex things are only a problem if you don't do adequate usability testing and handle the journey through the mechanics badly. Mind I'm coming from a website design/usability background on that one, so I'm not going to assume how much (if any) of those principles cross over into games.

The levels of vitriol aimed at specific people did make me cringe mind. It's one thing to be upset or disappointed, it's another to start demanding heads.

P.S. Thanks to the OP for starting a really interesting discussion.

Modifié par Furtled, 05 août 2011 - 11:35 .

[Ramus Quaritch]

Mike, If there is one recommendation I could/would make for Dragon Age 3, it's that it should have a longer development cycle. Much longer than Dragon Age 2's. I understand that EA wanted the product out faster and probably made the development cycle shorter, but that hurt its reception in the end. With respect, DA2 felt rushed and it showed (to me, at least). Could you, Ray, and Greg please lobby EA hard for a longer development cycle for DA3? I think that if Dragon Age 2 had another year of development it would have been so much better, amazing in fact. The fans will wait a bit longer for a Bioware game because they know you all make great-quality games. It'll make it so much better if future DA games have more development time put into them. That's my two cents. Thanks for listening.

[nitefyre410]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

[Just so I'm understanding you right, you want warriors to close the gap between them and an enemy? Because they do that now, though it looks like a speed dash which I didn't like. I'd hope for it to have a touch of realism.

Righ so instead  for me dashing across the  screen - create an ability  called Charge(or whatever we want to call it) - which  warrior  charges a target  from X distance.  The change animation from him dashing  to a run  then hitting the  target  with his/her shoulder or  if using Sword and Shield the shield.   

I'm not sure I understand what you're asking for beyond "Don't go back to Origins animations", which I agree with.

 


Sorry I may have a  slip in to  WoW talk...   three  mobs line up next to each other in a row.    the Attack/Cleave what ever we want to called.  Now you main Targert is mob  A   the attack strikes mob A  for X damage  and strikes  mob B and C that a either to left of the righ for Y damage which is a deceased value of damage the A mob took.  

So instead of what we have know..  Warrior  dashing half way across the screen (A la Dante using Stinger)   we have charge ability  that you have to be a certain  distance from to use  say  5 -10 yards  and  Cleave ablitiy.


Sorry I was not very clear the first time around .

[TEWR]

Wozearly wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Mike Laidlaw wrote...
Now is the time. And I'm still very interested to hear what you folks have to say (unless it is a demand for gameplay videos before we announce anything, that is. ), and we are still working on the formula.

Can I post my idea for Origin stories for DA3?

For the record, whilst I disagree with a number of Ethereal's views on graphics (Old Darkspawn and Old Elves > New Darkspawn and New Elves, no exceptions) I actually liked his ideas a lot when I saw them first time around.

If anyone on the design team has a few minutes spare, it certainly wouldn't hurt to look over them.

you just made my day by saying my ideas weren't that bad .


And for the record, I believe that Old Darkspawn and New Elves are better than New Darkspawn and Old Elves, just so we're square  (I'm thinking your parentheses comment is what you prefer, but this is just incase)

[Bryy_Miller]

stoicsentry2 wrote...
I furthermore find it offensive to suggest that we are in the wrong somehow for not liking this 

Nobody said anything like this at all.

This is the main problem with discussion in general. Both sides are so polarized that any positive or negative feedback is taken to the extreme.

[Alyka]

If there is no emoticon to express the tone of the post, a person will take what you said literally.It's hard sometimes to accurately portray your intent on the internet, especially when it involves only text.
So don't be surprised if people initially take things the wrong way.

[hoorayforicecream]

ipgd wrote...

stoicsentry2 wrote...



Guys, it was a joke about how hyperbolic my previous statements were... a joke... 'evil overlords' don't actually exist at EA, for example.

OMG...

What you said really wasn't that hyperbolic for the DA2 boards. I've read more ridiculous posts that were completely serious, so you'll have to do worse than that if you actually intend to ping the absurditydar.

Given his post history, I also thought he was completely serious.

[Legbiter]

Eldred wrote...

Firky wrote...

Here's an interesting article.

http://jeff-vogel.bl...ould-never.html

Also, I've been meaning to play Avadon for ages.

Really good read, and it is so true as well. 
The Penny Arcade comic he linked to is really dead on as well. Fans can be so mean and counter productive

Good find Eldred. Hell hath no fury like a fan scorned.

[Stanley Woo]

I take the treatment of our developers by our community very seriously. While I don't expect that we will always agree on things, nor do I expect the community to always like what we have to say, to agree with us all the time, or even to like us even a little bit. What I do expect is that, regardless of our differences and preferences and tolerances, that the community treat our developers with respect. Not even friendliness, bowing and scraping, or deferential treatment, just the plain old-fashioned common decency and respect you would give anyone you are talking to in person.

The anonymity of the internet is no excuse to be rude, juvenile, or insulting to anyone, let alone the developers you want to listen to you and perhaps agree with you. You can hate, you can whinge, you can complain, you can lament, you can question. But you will not disrespect our developers. I hope I am crystal clear on this.