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[ThePwener]

Mims wrote...

For all we know, Cerberus is trying to kill Shepard because they have reason to believe Shepard is, or could be, indoctrinated. [Or at least poses some sort of 'security' risk to humanity.]

Maybe... just maybe, Shepard was rebuild using Reaper Tech, and Cerberus want to avoid another Greyson fiasco, but since it's Shepard, the repercussions could be disastrous this time around.

[Vertigo_1]

marshalleck wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Faith gets you burned.

Not according to Mirror's Edge.

I love that game, and you just stuck a knife in my ribs reminding me how the sequel got canceled.

Report: Mirror's Edge Sequel Increasingly Likely

[marshalleck]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Faith gets you burned.

Not according to Mirror's Edge.

I love that game, and you just stuck a knife in my ribs reminding me how the sequel got canceled.

Report: Mirror's Edge Sequel Increasingly Likely

If you're toying with me I will be forced to destroy you.

[Phaedon]

ThePwener wrote...
No, BW already said that Cerberus IS gunning for Shepard, not bumping on him. It's also been said that Kai Leng along with other special Cerberus operatives has been deployed to [exclusively] take down shepard.

It wouldn't surprise me that TIM thinks he can control the reapers somehow and wants Shepard out of the picture so he doesn't destroy the Reapers/stop him.

I'd hate to bump into that mech of theirs. 

marshalleck wrote...
I love that game, and you just stuck a knife in my ribs reminding me how the sequel got canceled.

Not anymore, afaik.

[Jonathan Shepard]

ThePwener wrote...

Mims wrote...

For all we know, Cerberus is trying to kill Shepard because they have reason to believe Shepard is, or could be, indoctrinated. [Or at least poses some sort of 'security' risk to humanity.]

Maybe... just maybe, Shepard was rebuild using Reaper Tech, and Cerberus want to avoid another Greyson fiasco, but since it's Shepard, the repercussions could be disastrous this time around.

I'm thinking this might be the case. Still... I hope Hudson and Walters aren't leaving these "hints" for us just to quell the outrage at Cerberus doing a seemingly-reasonless 180-spin. Because I have a sinking feeling they're just saying these things to make us feel uncertain about Cerberus again... and then our hopes will be crushed come March. 

I pray this is not the case.

[PrinceLionheart]

Honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that TIM is going to pull a Saren, but instead of being killed by Shepard he'll end up performing a heroic sacrifice that cripples the reapers.

[Icinix]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Honestly, I have a sneaking suspicion that TIM is going to pull a Saren, but instead of being killed by Shepard he'll end up performing a heroic sacrifice that cripples the reapers.

That - would be amazing, But only if its one of many different outcomes.

[CuseGirl]

marshalleck wrote...

What I want to see and what I expect to see are two different things. What I want is some complex motivation for TIM/Cerberus to be after Shepard, and I don't want that motivation to be cheap indoctrination. What I expect is that TIM/Cerberus will be indoctrinated, and trying to kill Shepard.

To be honest, I can't believe gamers have such high standards to video game storytelling. Most games, novels, movies are derivatives of about 10 major story threads. You change the character names, genders, races/ethnicty, religion and weapon of choice but in the end (in entertainment) there's only about 10 to 15 stories. I'm sure ME-3 will be one of those 15 and you'll probably be disappointed.

Why should we believe there's some "WHOA mind-blowing" type reason for Cerberus to be after Shepard? Either they got indoctrinated and will now hunt Shepard to prevent him from stopping our salvation thru destruction. Or TiM is pissed he didn't get his Collector base and will finally reveal his ultimate plan for human dominance over the galaxy.

Bioware are great game makers but it stops there. We shouldn't be shocked that they will tell an age old story.

Modifié par CuseGirl, 30 juillet 2011 - 02:26 .

[Someone With Mass]

Since I know that Cerberus will take up about 40 goddamn percent of the game, I don't really care what the reason is why they're doing it, as long as I can end it.

[CuseGirl]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Since I know that Cerberus will take up about 40 goddamn percent of the game, I don't really care what the reason is why they're doing it, as long as I can end it.

Why does Cerberus as the main bad guy irritate you so much? As a matter of fact (and forgive me for not being hip to the culture on this board) why does that idea make SO many ME gamers so upset?

[joriandrake]

CuseGirl wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Since I know that Cerberus will take up about 40 goddamn percent of the game, I don't really care what the reason is why they're doing it, as long as I can end it.

Why does Cerberus as the main bad guy irritate you so much? As a matter of fact (and forgive me for not being hip to the culture on this board) why does that idea make SO many ME gamers so upset?

I believe it is something to do with some people actually believing that if humans get out in space we should be the dominant species is if it were our destiny, and Cerberus embodies this view. This is why many are upset that Cerberus is shown as something despicable and evil



Mass Effect was the first videogame where I realized while people may not be ****s if it is about human groups, some people may still have an ideology that pretty much equals "space racism" and wouldn't mind to do bad things to other sentient species or even their own race if in the end humans would conquer all


I have never seen anyone argue this much pro-evil deeds as some ME fans who are pro-Cerberus, although "pro-evil" may be the wrong words as alignment/morals are relative and constantly change, but I think you understand what I mean

[CuseGirl]

joriandrake wrote...
I believe it is something to do with some people actually believing that if humans get out in space we should be the dominant species is if it were our destiny, and Cerberus embodies this view. This is why many are upset that Cerberus is shown as something despicable and evil

Mass Effect was the first videogame where I realized while people may not be ****s if it is about human groups, some people may still have an ideology that pretty much equals "space racism" and wouldn't mind to do bad things to other sentient species or even their own race if in the end humans would conquer all

I have never seen anyone argue this much pro-evil deeds as some ME fans who are pro-Cerberus, although "pro-evil" may be the wrong words as alignment/morals are relative and constantly change, but I think you understand what I mean

Wait, they're upset that Cerberus is percieved as evil or their upset that out of all the bad guy groups, Cerberus is getting a larger role?

[Someone With Mass]

CuseGirl wrote...

Why does Cerberus as the main bad guy irritate you so much? As a matter of fact (and forgive me for not being hip to the culture on this board) why does that idea make SO many ME gamers so upset?

Because they're taking up about 70% of the other Mass Effect books, comics and games, and I really think BioWare is beating a long dead, maggot-infested horse.

It was acceptable at first, but now it's just sad. Everything is about Cerberus and how much they can F up, when there are a thousand other things BioWare could've focused on instead.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 juillet 2011 - 02:42 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

If someone can give me one logical reason why Cerberus would be using their time and resources trying to kill the one person who is capable of stopping the Reapers and they aren't indoctrinated/or consiously serving them than I'd be more inclined to believe that what this dev said might be a hint. Otherwise its clear that they are indoctrinated/consiously serving the Reapers.

[joriandrake]

CuseGirl wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
I believe it is something to do with some people actually believing that if humans get out in space we should be the dominant species is if it were our destiny, and Cerberus embodies this view. This is why many are upset that Cerberus is shown as something despicable and evil

Mass Effect was the first videogame where I realized while people may not be ****s if it is about human groups, some people may still have an ideology that pretty much equals "space racism" and wouldn't mind to do bad things to other sentient species or even their own race if in the end humans would conquer all

I have never seen anyone argue this much pro-evil deeds as some ME fans who are pro-Cerberus, although "pro-evil" may be the wrong words as alignment/morals are relative and constantly change, but I think you understand what I mean

Wait, they're upset that Cerberus is percieved as evil or their upset that out of all the bad guy groups, Cerberus is getting a larger role?

IMO the first one

[Bryy_Miller]

100k wrote...

It's still not clear. On Sur'Kesh, Shepard claims that the mercs are indoctrinated. I'm glad that we still don't know what's going on.

Martin Sheen seems like the type of person that would sacrifice his own organization.

He's so manipulative, he's got the devs thinking that he only voices Illusive Man.

[CuseGirl]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Because they're taking up about 70% of the other Mass Effect books, comics and games, and I really think BioWare is beating a long dead, maggot-infested horse.

It was acceptable at first, but now it's jut sad. Everything is about Cerberus and how much they can F up, when there are thousand other things BioWare could've focused on instead.

It's sad or it's typical "bad guy vs good guy" storytelling. You always think there's a new threat and in the end, you realize it's the same *ish following u around. Twilight, Harry Potter, Star Wars.....

take that back, Twilight doesn't really count because it exploded into a 4th book of nonsense.....but u get my point

Modifié par CuseGirl, 30 juillet 2011 - 02:45 .

[marshalleck]

joriandrake wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Since I know that Cerberus will take up about 40 goddamn percent of the game, I don't really care what the reason is why they're doing it, as long as I can end it.

Why does Cerberus as the main bad guy irritate you so much? As a matter of fact (and forgive me for not being hip to the culture on this board) why does that idea make SO many ME gamers so upset?

I believe it is something to do with some people actually believing that if humans get out in space we should be the dominant species is if it were our destiny, and Cerberus embodies this view. This is why many are upset that Cerberus is shown as something despicable and evil



Mass Effect was the first videogame where I realized while people may not be ****s if it is about human groups, some people may still have an ideology that pretty much equals "space racism" and wouldn't mind to do bad things to other sentient species or even their own race if in the end humans would conquer all


I have never seen anyone argue this much pro-evil deeds as some ME fans who are pro-Cerberus, although "pro-evil" may be the wrong words as alignment/morals are relative and constantly change, but I think you understand what I mean

There is no destiny. You get what you're capable of seizing and holding onto.

Competition is a natural consequence of biology, whether it's on Earth or on a galactic level. It's neither good nor evil. Those who would choose not to compete will be trodden.

Modifié par marshalleck, 30 juillet 2011 - 02:51 .

[CuseGirl]

joriandrake wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

Wait, they're upset that Cerberus is percieved as evil or their upset that out of all the bad guy groups, Cerberus is getting a larger role?

IMO the first one

hmmm.......why are human gamers acting as if TiM isn't a composite of human histories most ruthless (and successful) leaders? Are we that selective in our angst? I think so.....

[didymos1120]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If someone can give me one logical reason why Cerberus would be using their time and resources trying to kill the one person who is capable of stopping the Reapers...

And from what do you derive your knowledge that Shep is the one person capable of stopping the Reapers? Because Shep is the hero of the story?  If not that, why must TIM reach the same conclusion as you?  I mean, it's not like Shep has ever acted alone, barring Arrival.  Nor has Shep ever actually stopped the Reapers.  If you want to be a bit more accurate, it's more like "The one person who has, with plenty of help from other people, been successful at delaying the Reapers."

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Since I know that Cerberus will take up about 40 goddamn percent of the game, I don't really care what the reason is why they're doing it, as long as I can end it.

Accounting for roughly 40% of enemies encountered is NOT the same thing as 40% of the game.  It's rather obvious that this is not so: just look at the Sur'Kesh demo.  Do you fight Cerberus there?  Yes.  Is that what that sequence is about? No, it is not. It's also about the genophage, and securing krogan cooperation against the Reapers, and seeing what Mordin's been up to, and seeing the salarian homeworld, and so on.

[Ultai]

Ah crap, I'm reminded of Zulu's theory about how Cerberus is pretending to try and kill Shepard so it can make his job with recruiting for the war effort easier. Something like that.

[marshalleck]

Ultai wrote...

Ah crap, I'm reminded of Zulu's theory about how Cerberus is pretending to try and kill Shepard so it can make his job with recruiting for the war effort easier. Something like that.

I sure hope it's worth it, because I don't think Shepard is using pretend bullets. 

[SandTrout]

marshalleck wrote...

There is no destiny. You get what you're capable of seizing and holding onto.

Competition is a natural consequence of biology, whether it's on Earth or on a galactic level. It's neither good nor evil. Those who would choose not to compete will be trodden.

Thank you for explaining that little bit so I didn't need to.

I'm still holding out hope that TIM is playing some odd gambit to get into the Reapers' good graces in order to undermine their efforts. I think the BW realizes how much they would compromise the plot value of TIM and Cerberus if they were just another stupid-evil organization with no redeeming value. Even if they are turning TIM into COBRA, they don't want to tell us and screw up their market.

[didymos1120]

Ultai wrote...

Ah crap, I'm reminded of Zulu's theory about how Cerberus is pretending to try and kill Shepard so it can make his job with recruiting for the war effort easier. Something like that.

That theory is obviously wrong, as even a glance at the Sur'Kesh demo shows.  Cerberus is most definitely shooting at Shep for reals. But that doesn't rule out the notion that TIM is up to something other than just trying to kill Shep for his new Reaper masters.