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[ISpeakTheTruth]

didymos1120 wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

If someone can give me one logical reason why Cerberus would be using their time and resources trying to kill the one person who is capable of stopping the Reapers...

And from what do you derive your knowledge that Shep is the one person capable of stopping the Reapers? Because Shep is the hero of the story?  If not that, why must TIM reach the same conclusion as you?  I mean, it's not like Shep has ever acted alone, barring Arrival.  Nor has Shep ever actually stopped the Reapers.  If you want to be a bit more accurate, it's more like "The one person who has, with plenty of help from other people, been successful at delaying the Reapers."

Shepard is the leader, leaders by their very nature are the ones must judged by the success/failur of their missions. Shepard has succeded at everything a person could hope for so he is the one person who has shown the capability of stoping the Reapers becuase he's killed two now which is probably better than all the other specie cycles combined. Sure barring Arrival which is itself just as important as stopping Sovy in ME1  That and TIM did sort of spent two billion creds and two years rebuilding him because he knew that Shepard is the only one capable of stopping the Reapers or didn't you play ME2?

I noticed that you didn't respond to what I said though, if you can give any logical reason as to why Cerberus would use their resources and time trying to kill Shepard who is trying to stop the Reapers and they aren't indoctrinated/consiously following the Reapers than please give me a reason any reason at all that makes sense would be nice.

[Fiery Phoenix]

marshalleck wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
Faith gets you burned.

Not according to Mirror's Edge.

I love that game, and you just stuck a knife in my ribs reminding me how the sequel got canceled.

It wasn't. EA recently released a statement saying they're looking into it and have not abandoned the franchise.

On-topic: This is exactly what Zulu's deniability theory is all about. Not surprising at all.

[didymos1120]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
Shepard has succe[e]ded at everything a person could hope for so he is the one person who has shown the capability of stop[p]ing the Reapers bec[au]se he's killed two now which is probably better than all the other specie cycles combined.

You apparently missed the point about how Shepard hasn't ever actually stopped them. Shep has successfully delayed them. So again: why should TIM think Shep can stop them now that they're all here? Especially since:

a. Shep needed an entire fleet to take down Sovereign itself, not just the avatar version of Saren (which Shep also needed help to kill).

b. The Human-Reaper Larva was not remotely the equivalent of a fully functional one.  And again: had help. A lot of help.

I noticed that you didn't respond to what I said though, if you can give any logical reason as to why Cerberus would use their resources and time trying to kill Shepard who is trying to stop the Reapers and they aren't indoctrinated/consiously following the Reapers than please give me a reason any reason at all that makes sense would be nice.

I don't know all the facts, so what would be the point? We're working on ridiculously incomplete information at this time.  I'm refusing to come to any conclusion about what Cerberus is up to because doing so is just plain not justified right now.

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 juillet 2011 - 03:24 .

[Ultai]

marshalleck wrote...

Ultai wrote...

Ah crap, I'm reminded of Zulu's theory about how Cerberus is pretending to try and kill Shepard so it can make his job with recruiting for the war effort easier. Something like that.

I sure hope it's worth it, because I don't think Shepard is using pretend bullets. 

Doubt Cerberus are as well, but as TIM told Shep after the collector ship, he's confident in his/her abilities. 

[ISpeakTheTruth]

didymos1120 wrote...


You apparently missed the point about how Shepard hasn't ever actually stopped them. Shep has successfully delayed them. So again: why should TIM think Shep can stop them now that they're all here?

You seem to have missed the point that TIM believes Shepard can stop the Reapers because he spent two years and billions of creds to bring him back. He could have bought an army to fight the Reaper invasion which he knew was only a matter of time. He believes that Shepard is the most important single person in the galaxy "If we lose Shepard humanity may very well follow." So right there we see that he believes if Shepard dies than humanity may be doomed.

[RPGamer13]

I already believed he just wants to use them like he used Shepard. I also think it's one of those: keep your friends close, but your enemies closer deal as well as know your enemy, he's just biding his time to make a successful move and to make it look like he is on their side, to keep the illusion up, Ths Illusive Man has to make a move on Shepard.

But I also believe there's more to it and that possibly something went or goes wrong.

[Phaedon]

didymos1120 wrote...
That theory is obviously wrong, as even a glance at the Sur'Kesh demo shows.  Cerberus is most definitely shooting at Shep for reals. But that doesn't rule out the notion that TIM is up to something other than just trying to kill Shep for his new Reaper masters.

They are obviously using futuristic LTL rifles, the Atlas mech shoots pillows, the CIA has replaced the space tow truck agency and is recovering the Normandy, the husks that Shepard shoots in the Earth level are actually Alliance officers wanting to imprison him, none of the previous squadmates will come back and Vigil is actually a Reaper.


So there.

[Phaedon]

Saphra Deden wrote...
Um... he did buy an army if ME3's teasers are any indication.

Not buy. Train. There's a difference. There would be a lot of ex-military, paramilitary, etc. wanting to join a prohuman organization. And unless TIM went bankrupt in ME2, I don't see why not.

This is basically the point where the "Part of Cerberus went rogue!" theories fall apart. Even if you never heard about TIM's role before, it's simply impossible for these operatives to have been trained and their equipment researched and produced without spending billions of money.

Equipment that TIM never sent to Shepard, even though he sent him a universe from a fantasy setting because it looked cool. Even the Assault Armor sent to Shepard does not even come close to matching those. And the best security officer protecting the biggest Cerberus project at the time is Jacob. Jacob! Just look at his outfit and tell me if he could use that armor.

TIM recruited, funded and trained 40% of the enemies that you'll face in ME3, and sent Kai Leng after you. It doesn't look for these theories.

Modifié par Phaedon, 30 juillet 2011 - 05:19 .

[SandTrout]

TIM recruited, funded and trained 40% of the enemies that you'll face in ME3, and sent Kai Leng after you. It doesn't look for these theories.

Have a source on that one?

[Phaedon]

SandTrout wrote...

TIM recruited, funded and trained 40% of the enemies that you'll face in ME3, and sent Kai Leng after you. It doesn't look for these theories.

Have a source on that one?

Official PS3 Magazine.

[SnakeStrike8]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Then why the hell are they attacking Shepard? If anything, they should help Shep get rid of those ugly husk things.

We haven't seen that happen, have we? The only Shepard vs. husk exposure we've seen so far was the earth invasion, and Cerberus was nowhere to be seen. Maybe Shepard and Cerberus are fighting over something else and would stand together if a wave of husks charged in?

[Phaedon]

SnakeStrike8 wrote...
We haven't seen that happen, have we? The only Shepard vs. husk exposure we've seen so far was the earth invasion, and Cerberus was nowhere to be seen. Maybe Shepard and Cerberus are fighting over something else and would stand together if a wave of husks charged in?

With Cerberus being 40% of the enemies, I assume that the higher-ups at Cerberus are pretty slow.

[Iakus]

My theory:  TIM is trying to fight the Reapers his own way, likely using indoctrination technology he's salvaged from the base/remnants fo the base and other sources of Reaper tech. But he is not, himself indoctrinated.

And for whatever reason, Shepard no longer factors into his plans.  In fact, he's a liability.  Personally, I think Shep was never meant to come back alive from the mission beyond the Omega IV relay.

I don't know what his reasons or ultimate goals are, except humanity's survival.  But as he says once, Cerberus is humanity.  As long as he wins, humanity wins, no matter how high a mountain of corpses he has to crawl over to succeed.  Hmm, maybe he has plans to replace the Reapers.  That could certainly secure human survival and dominance.  Must ponder this some more...

At any rate. essentially we've got a war of three factions:  Council, Reapers, Cerberus. Maybe four depending on what consesnus the geth end up building.

Modifié par iakus, 30 juillet 2011 - 05:52 .

[SandTrout]

Phaedon wrote...

Official PS3 Magazine.

I meant a source that I could access. Not that I think that you are intentionally lying, but on new data like that, I prefer to see for myself.

[CroGamer002]

SandTrout wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Official PS3 Magazine.

I meant a source that I could access. Not that I think that you are intentionally lying, but on new data like that, I prefer to see for myself.

I'll look for the scans and send PM.

[Siansonea]

I also think Indoctrination is a cheap plot device. I was super disappointed when the Arrival DLC feature Yet Another Indoctrinated Scientist. Seriously, somebody at BioWare hates scientists. The fact that Shepard wasn't immediately suspicious of Dr. Kenson as soon as she mentioned Object Rho tells me that Shepard is an IDIOT. And if TIM and the rest of Cerberus are just Herp Derp Indoctrinated, and that's the big reveal, well, FAIL. I sincerely hope there's a plot twist that will explain this in a clever, OMG-that's-brilliant kind of way. As opposed to a WTF-is-a-Human-Reaper-for kind of way.

[Phaedon]

SandTrout wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Official PS3 Magazine.

I meant a source that I could access. Not that I think that you are intentionally lying, but on new data like that, I prefer to see for myself.

I hope that your Dutch isn't rusty: http://www.gamer.nl/...ordt-moeilijker

[Comsky159]

I was hoping this was the case. I hope some sort of deal has been made with the reapers to preserve humanity in return for Shepard's death. Would allow the pro-human/pro-galaxy conundrum Shepard faces to climax.

[Mustang678]

Perhaps only some of Cerberus is indoctrinated, like a few of the cells out there, and they're rampaging around and making a show that everyone takes as being controlled by TIM

[didymos1120]

iakus wrote...
And for whatever reason, Shepard no longer factors into his plans.  In fact, he's a liability.  Personally, I think Shep was never meant to come back alive from the mission beyond the Omega IV relay.

TIM certainly isn't the all that upset about it if you get Shep killed, whether you saved the base or not. In fact, he's quite pleased if the base is intact. It's really difficult to tell if he actually cares about Shep's fate, or if he's just mollifying Joker a bit.

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:24 .

[Ryzaki]

...I am sick to god of Cerberus.

Really. I just want to wipe them off the face of the planet at this point.

We get it devs you like Cerberus. Can we move onto something else now? 40% of enemies is overkill. Shepard really doesn't have better and more important things to kill? Really?  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:31 .

[Sebby]

Ryzaki wrote...

...I am sick to god of Cerberus.

Really. I just want to wipe them off the face of the planet at this point.

We get it devs you like Cerberus. Can we move onto something else now?

No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Phaedon wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Phaedon wrote...

Official PS3 Magazine.

I meant a source that I could access. Not that I think that you are intentionally lying, but on new data like that, I prefer to see for myself.

I hope that your Dutch isn't rusty: http://www.gamer.nl/...ordt-moeilijker

Wait, you're are Dutchie? No way!

[Ryzaki]

Seboist wrote...
No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

Ugh. 

A galaxy full of aliens and other crap and the only thing they focus on is the idiot human extremist group. 

How very interesting and original.