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[Someone With Mass]

Ryzaki wrote...

Seboist wrote...
No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

Ugh. 

A galaxy full of aliens and other crap and the only thing they focus on is the idiot human extremist group.

How very interesting and original.

I know. It's astonishing how developers are really making good use of the universe they're creating.

/massive sarcasm

[Kaiser Shepard]

Ryzaki wrote...

Seboist wrote...
No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

Ugh. 

A galaxy full of aliens and other crap and the only thing they focus on is the idiot human extremist group. 

How very interesting and original.

I should've known you'd choke on the hard realities. Too idealistic from the start.

[dreman9999]

Ryzaki wrote...

Seboist wrote...
No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

Ugh. 

A galaxy full of aliens and other crap and the only thing they focus on is the idiot human extremist group. 

How very interesting and original. 

Shep is Human. He/She deals with Human things. Cerberus is one of them. And a major part of the story is humanity dealing with aliens, cerberus is one of the ideals. We are not into Turian terrorist because we never go to turian space. We don't deal with Asari cults and/or overloadsbecause we are not in Asari space....and so on and so on. But we did deal with the shadow broker.

[Ryzaki]

@Kaiser Shepard: Pfft. Whatever

@dreman9999: Except those books and comics don't have to evolve around Shepard. I'd prefer if they didn't. Not to mention Shepard is dealing with alien races as well. I think the Reapers should have far more importance (and enemy count) than CERBERUS. Especially considering the Reapers are highly likely to have scores more manpower and are pissed off at Shepard (as pissed off as sentinent machines can be anyway). Cerberus should not have a 40% enemy presence. That's ridculous. Maybe if this was ME1 or something but now? When the Reapers are attacking? Uh...

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[Vanaer]

It's probably a 'Luke, I am your father'-moment in ME3. We all think Cerbie is evil, go after him and then TIM goes all: Noooooo! You ruin everything! It's actually [/insertplotturn].

[Ieldra]

CuseGirl wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Since I know that Cerberus will take up about 40 goddamn percent of the game, I don't really care what the reason is why they're doing it, as long as I can end it.

Why does Cerberus as the main bad guy irritate you so much? As a matter of fact (and forgive me for not being hip to the culture on this board) why does that idea make SO many ME gamers so upset?

(1) Because standard good vs. evil stuff is boring.
(2) Because ME2 made Cerberus interesting, and they did a few things I appreciate. The ambiguousness of the whole setup - between being the only group actually doing anything and places like Pragia - was very much the point.
(3) Because the main big bad are the Reapers. Cerberus is secondary, so it makes no sense to give them that much prominence.
(4) Because I dislike a group being elevated to a major villain role just because some people hate them anyway. Bioware shouldn't try to capitalize on feelings expressed as "I want to kill TIM and ****** on his grave".
(5) Because it will validate the haters and invalidate those who want a more interesting and thought-provoking plot.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:50 .

[didymos1120]

Can we not make this into a "Cerberus shouldn't be this important" thread? Not really what I started it for.

Modifié par didymos1120, 30 juillet 2011 - 06:52 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

It's a shame the Shadow Broker organisation didn't get some more exposure... hell, I'm not even sure why they chose a DLC for the series' middle chapter to reveal the SB's identity.

So much potential essentially wasted.

[Praetor Knight]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

It's a shame the Shadow Broker organisation didn't get some more exposure... hell, I'm not even sure why they chose a DLC for the series' middle chapter to reveal the SB's identity.

So much potential essentially wasted.

On that note, Tazzik's involvement in ME3 could be interesting.

I'm just glad that TIM is still gonna be a very complex individual.

[dreman9999]

Ryzaki wrote...

@Kaiser Shepard: Pfft. Whatever

@dreman9999: Except those books and comics don't have to evolve around Shepard. I'd prefer if they didn't. Not to mention Shepard is dealing with alien races as well. I think the Reapers should have far more importance (and enemy count) than CERBERUS. Especially considering the Reapers are highly likely to have scores more manpower and are pissed off at Shepard (as pissed off as sentinent machines can be anyway). Cerberus should not have a 40% enemy presence. That's ridculous. Maybe if this was ME1 or something but now? When the Reapers are attacking? Uh...

What do you think the other 60% is... Space pirates. The point is that based on Cerberus history...It's likely a good part of them will become indoctrinated. And Cerberus can get to places the reapers can't.

[Sebby]

Ryzaki wrote...

Seboist wrote...
No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

Ugh. 

A galaxy full of aliens and other crap and the only thing they focus on is the idiot human extremist group. 

How very interesting and original. 

They aren't an "extremist" group. They fight for human rights and interests.

[Ryzaki]

dreman9999 wrote...What do you think the other 60% is... Space pirates. The point is that based on Cerberus history...It's likely a good part of them will become indoctrinated. And Cerberus can get to places the reapers can't.

Reapers can use husks or indoctrianted soldiers. 

There is nowhere Cerberus can get to (that's not a Cerberus base) that the Reapers can't reach. 

[Mr. Gogeta34]

didymos1120 wrote...

From the GTTV episode last night:

"And there's something between them and Cerberus, the organization that The Illusive Man runs.  That's part of what you need to figure out is: why does Cerberus almost appear to be working with the Reapers?"

That bolded part is interesting. Far more ambiguous than the straightforward, declarative "Cerberus is now working for the Reapers in ME3" type stuff we've gotten from other sources so far. 

Ehh, at E3 Casey said they are working with the Reapers and we had to find out why that is...

Not sure what to make of this...

Modifié par Mr. Gogeta34, 30 juillet 2011 - 07:20 .

[Sebby]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

From the GTTV episode last night:

"And there's something between them and Cerberus, the organization that The Illusive Man runs.  That's part of what you need to figure out is: why does Cerberus almost appear to be working with the Reapers?"

That bolded part is interesting. Far more ambiguous than the straightforward, declarative "Cerberus is now working for the Reapers in ME3" type stuff we've gotten from other sources so far. 

Ehh, at E3 Casey said they are working with the Reapers and we had to find out why that is...

Not sure what to make of this...

Do like I do and hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

Seboist wrote...

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

From the GTTV episode last night:

"And there's something between them and Cerberus, the organization that The Illusive Man runs.  That's part of what you need to figure out is: why does Cerberus almost appear to be working with the Reapers?"

That bolded part is interesting. Far more ambiguous than the straightforward, declarative "Cerberus is now working for the Reapers in ME3" type stuff we've gotten from other sources so far. 

Ehh, at E3 Casey said they are working with the Reapers and we had to find out why that is...

Not sure what to make of this...

Do like I do and hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

Good idea... for someone that's supposed to represent the "best and worst of Humanity," Bioware sure has been pushing the "worst" side of TIM, lol.

[ME-ParaShep]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Then why the hell are they attacking Shepard? If anything, they should help Shep get rid of those ugly husk things.

Here's something to ponder and discuss: Shepard wants to Destroy the Reapers. The Illusive Man wants to Control the Reapers.

[Sebby]

Ferris95 wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Seboist wrote...
No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

Ugh. 

A galaxy full of aliens and other crap and the only thing they focus on is the idiot human extremist group. 

How very interesting and original. 

They aren't an "extremist" group. They fight for human rights and interests.

masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Cerberus

"Any methods of advancing humanity's ascension are justified, including illegal or dangerous experimentation, terrorist activities, sabotage and assassination."

They aren't a "terrorist" group. That's just the Council and Alliance using political buzz terms to slander them.

[Praetor Knight]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...

Good idea... for someone that's supposed to represent the "best and worst of Humanity," Bioware sure has been pushing the "worst" side of TIM, lol.

I've been wondering if an Anton Chigurh-type character could work in ME3?

Be that Kai Leng, Tazzik or someone else, just to make the setting more personal than fighting Reapers or TIM. regardless of true motives.

[SandTrout]

Seboist has a valid point. While some of their activities have been construed as terrorist in nature by the powers that be, the nature of their organization actually tends toward remaining out of the spotlight, where terrorists use media attention and high-profile attacks as their primary means of business. The fact that Shepard has not even heard of them until ME1 discredits the 'terrorist' title.

[Savber100]

Ryzaki wrote...

Seboist wrote...
No, Cerberus IS Mass Effect.

Ugh. 

A galaxy full of aliens and other crap and the only thing they focus on is the idiot human extremist group. 

How very interesting and original.

Yup because the part where you're forging alliances, visiting alien homeworlds (Thessia, Palaven, Rannoch etc), and battling the Reapers totally means that ME3 will ONLY be focused on Cerberus. 

Great logic, my friend. 

Remember how everyone was ****ing that we're probably going to only stay in Earth after the ME3 cinematic trailer? Remeber how silly we looked when we were proven wrong? 

Modifié par Savber100, 30 juillet 2011 - 07:36 .

[Ryzaki]

Savber100 wrote...
Yup because the part where you're forging alliances, visiting alien homeworlds (Thessia, Palaven, Rannoch etc), and battling the Reapers totally means that ME3 will ONLY be focused on Cerberus. 

Great logic, my friend. 

Because that wasn't obvious exaggeration right? Not to mention since Cerberus is working with (or pretending to working with whatever) the Reapers they're even stealing some of their spotligt. 

Fine precise and small words. Their organization gets a far greater spotlight than it needs. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juillet 2011 - 07:39 .

[didymos1120]

Mr. Gogeta34 wrote...


Ehh, at E3 Casey said they are working with the Reapers and we had to find out why that is...

Which interview was this?  Not having any luck finding it so far.

[didymos1120]

OK, again: if you want to fight about Cerberus getting too much attention, please do it elsewhere. NOT why I started this topic. Kthx.