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[Lotion Soronarr]

Phaedon wrote...
Like a douchebag? I am sure you would know.

I'll let Something With Mass contradict you, but let me express my deepest excitement to the fact that creatures can learn while having zero interaction with their enviroment what-so-ever.

Or unfinished Lavras  with 1/18th of the size of the actual thing, with no main weapons or armor that somehow carry more, and especially more advanced technolodgy.

Sounds cool.

Respect for you? Gone..A shame man. I used to think you were reasonable. Now I see I was wrong.

Let me point yout your fallacy that size = technology. That bigger things MUST be stuffed with better tech. Which is totally absured and everyone knows it.

And again, your'e so overlookign what technology is all about and how it develops. Technology is not jsut a gun or armor. There's a lot more to it that influences every part of the ship. not to emtnion technology is nota straight part. It has multi-use and is inter-connected.

A more advanced capacitor doesn't sound as exciting as a new gun, but that same capacitor CAN be used to make severl other enhancements..INCLUDING a abetter gun. Capiche?

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

When are you going to learn that Cerberus isn't fighting its problems head on like normal military factions do?

That's because Cerberus isn't a military faction as a whole. Only a few cells are concentrated in paramilitary oprations, like The Lazarus Cell, the one Shepard belongs to. Cerberus prefers to wait in the sidelines and occasionally pop it's head out to mess with everyone else, Alliance included. Cerberus isn't fit to go ahead and expose themselves. Since ME3 is a total all out war, things have changed due to the galactic chaos and pandemonium the Reapers are causing across the systems.

[Pulletlamer]

My eyes hurt froom seeing the immense paragraphs.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

1) Gameplay and story segragation

2) They're still only troopers. A thousands of them. How does that compare to BILLIONS of tropps the other races have? and far more important, their NAVIES?

Please, tell me how do you expect Cerberus to take over the galaxy? With what navy? With what troops? Who will supply them?
Cerberus couldn't take and hold a single planet, let alone anything else!

When are you going to learn that Cerberus isn't fighting its problems head on like normal military factions do?

I guess he never will. You can only look at so much times in real life were armies were expulsed from countries with things like GUERRILLA tactics which didn't require massive armies. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan soon enough.....

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:34 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Protip: If you want me to ever take you seriously, Lotion, stop overusing smileys like some twelve year old that just found out about chat rooms.

And if you mean something else than you've written in your comments, feel free to write it down instead of coming up with it later and pretend you know better just because you can't word your opinion correctly.

You're not a pro, so your tips are menaing less to me. And I'll use as many smileyes as I want, when I want.
What you think of me is completely irrelveant to me.

And don't be mad you just got owned bro...It happens to the best of us.

[Someone With Mass]

And if you want a effective weapon, you can always just let the Reapers taste the Normandy's exhaust, which can be measured in millions of degrees Celsius.

[SandTrout]

1) The HR doesn't carry a main weapon, and they were obviously building him part to part seeing as they are in the lavra state still due to the abductions not being over.

2) The Thanix canon does sh*t againt a single Reaper, let alone several. Forget it already. Read the Codex, it's not that difficult, the Thanix is not that impressive.

I'm not talking about the HR, here, as I have already stated in the part that you quoted. I'm talking specifically about COLLECTOR technology. Collector weapon tech is superior to standard Mass Driver tech.

Nope. At that time, no ship was in the area, you can see it in the video. Not a single shot was fired towards that direction. Try again.

False, there were still ships firing on it b/c the entire Arcturus fleet had not been destroyed yet. Note that in space you would not ever see or hear a Mass Driver shot, only the disruptor torpedoes are visual elements. However, since Sovereign's shields were stopping the torpedoes, and Mass Drivers are superior against shields, the fleet would have been saving the torpedoes until the shields were down.

Not according to magnets.

There is a codex entry about indoctrination by the way.

A magnet is not a machine, though an electro magnet is, and you can get some basis of understanding by studying an electromagnet. Also, we are discussing learning more about Indoctrination, and the Codex is an in-game encyclopedia that is sourced from in-game knowledge, which is mostly speculation in regards to Indoctrination.

[Someone With Mass]

Pulletlamer wrote...

I guess he never will. You can only look at so much times in real life were armies were expulsed from countries with things like GUERRILLA tactics which didn't require massive armies. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan soon enough.....

One would think that Cerberus' history would give a hint...

[Lotion Soronarr]

Pulletlamer wrote...

My eyes hurt froom seeing the immense paragraphs.

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

1) Gameplay and story segragation

2) They're still only troopers. A thousands of them. How does that compare to BILLIONS of tropps the other races have? and far more important, their NAVIES?

Please, tell me how do you expect Cerberus to take over the galaxy? With what navy? With what troops? Who will supply them?
Cerberus couldn't take and hold a single planet, let alone anything else!

When are you going to learn that Cerberus isn't fighting its problems head on like normal military factions do?

I guess he never will. You can only look at so much times in real life were armies were expulsed from countries with thinks like GUERRILLA tactics which didn't require massive armies. Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan soon enough.....

BWHAHAHAHAA...you forget a few things.

1) Sucesfull use of guerilal tactics is used on the home territory. And it's used when defending the country from ocupation. Guerilla tactic relies on support from the locals, intel and element of surprise.
Do you really see Cerberus using that tactic on a Asari planet? the locals won't help them. Tehy are REDICOLOUSLY outnumbered.

2) You don't use guerilla tactics to take over a nation, planet or a race. It doesn't work.

3) Cerberus has been oiperating for years. Teh galaxy is in no worse shape. In  fact, Cerberus is like an annoying fly, not a rela threat.



So...let me give you a challenge folks.

Present to me a scenario in which Cerberus takes over another race...Heck, let's be generous - Cerberus must take and hold a planet...Go.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

lmao Lotion actually looked up  fallacy.
:crying:so proud.

Cerberus has teh spies lotion,and TIM has the funds to buy hearts and minds,therefore a guerilla war would be plausable,especially since like the VC we have no clue where he and his organization are.

Save for their apperant Ferrari-like branding.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:43 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

You're not a pro, so your tips are menaing less to me. And I'll use as many smileyes as I want, when I want.
What you think of me is completely irrelveant to me.

And don't be mad you just got owned bro...It happens to the best of us.

No, I got mad at you (if you can call being annoyed the same as being mad) because I can barely understand what the hell you're trying to say, and spamming smileys just makes me think that your comments are some useless garbage I can't nor want to understand.

Which usually turns out to be true.

[Dave of Canada]

Phaedon wrote...

• Blueprints. Not how Collectors and Harbinger work.

Jumping in real quick, EDI managed to get the Collector Base schematics after landing onboard. So they have some information stored in their computers.

[Pulletlamer]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


BWHAHAHAHAA...you forget a few things.

1) Sucesfull use of guerilal tactics is used on the home territory. And it's used when defending the country from ocupation. Guerilla tactic relies on support from the locals, intel and element of surprise.
Do you really see Cerberus using that tactic on a Asari planet? the locals won't help them. Tehy are REDICOLOUSLY outnumbered.

2) You don't use guerilla tactics to take over a nation, planet or a race. It doesn't work.

3) Cerberus has been oiperating for years. Teh galaxy is in no worse shape. In  fact, Cerberus is like an annoying fly, not a rela threat.



So...let me give you a challenge folks.

Present to me a scenario in which Cerberus takes over another race...Heck, let's be generous - Cerberus must take and hold a planet...Go.

Dude go look up the definition of guerrilla warfare at the wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare

"Guerrilla warfare is a form of irregular warfare and refers to conflicts in which a small grup of combatants including, but not limited to, armed civilians (or "irregulars") use military tactics , such as ambushes, sabotage, raids, the element of surprise, and extraordinary mobility to harass a larger and less-mobile traditional army, or strike a vulnerable target, and withdraw almost immediately."

At any point does it say: "Guerrilla tactics must be with help from the locals and in your country or they are not valid!!!"

If you are a guerrilla fighter and go to fight on another country using guerrilla tactics you're still using them, they're not called something else. The only thing is that they "invented" guerrilla in a local country and they are best used in locations were the combatants know their enviroment, which is usually their native country.

No one is saying they should be used to take over nations. Still they have proven succesful at driving back entire organized armies and also remember Vietnam is a country.

EDIT: Also If you are interested: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hit-and-run_tactics

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:53 .

[Someone With Mass]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

BWHAHAHAHAA...you forget a few things.

1) Sucesfull use of guerilal tactics is used on the home territory. And it's used when defending the country from ocupation. Guerilla tactic relies on support from the locals, intel and element of surprise.
Do you really see Cerberus using that tactic on a Asari planet? the locals won't help them. Tehy are REDICOLOUSLY outnumbered.

2) You don't use guerilla tactics to take over a nation, planet or a race. It doesn't work.

3) Cerberus has been oiperating for years. Teh galaxy is in no worse shape. In  fact, Cerberus is like an annoying fly, not a rela threat.

Gee, I wonder why that might be.

Could it be that Cerberus is just trying to inflict political damage and control which politicians that are in the chairs, so they can get a higher income and support and perhaps broaden their influence and increase their manpower and number of facilities through false propaganda?

Considering that Cerberus was a real threat to the galaxy (read: Almost made it so a rogue VI uploaded itself to the extranet, cloned rachni, trying to take control over the geth, develop super soldiers, etc, etc) on several occasions, they can do some serious damage if they want to, just not in a upfront sort of way.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 30 juillet 2011 - 10:51 .

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

BWHAHAHAHAA...you forget a few things.

1) Sucesfull use of guerilal tactics is used on the home territory. And it's used when defending the country from ocupation. Guerilla tactic relies on support from the locals, intel and element of surprise.
Do you really see Cerberus using that tactic on a Asari planet? the locals won't help them. Tehy are REDICOLOUSLY outnumbered.

2) You don't use guerilla tactics to take over a nation, planet or a race. It doesn't work.

3) Cerberus has been oiperating for years. Teh galaxy is in no worse shape. In  fact, Cerberus is like an annoying fly, not a rela threat.

Gee, I wonder why that might be.

Could it be that Cerberus is just trying to inflict political damage and control which politicians that are in the chairs, so they can get a higher income and support and perhaps broaden their influence and increase their manpower and number of facilities through false propaganda?

Considering that Cerberus was a real threat to the galaxy (read: Almost made it so a rogue VI uploaded itself to the extranet, cloned rachni, trying to take control over the geth, develop super soldiers, etc, etc) on several occasions, they can do some serious damage if they want to, just not in a upfront sort of way.

I don't think he understands you don't have to destroy you enemy to win,unconventional warefare is the way wars are fought.

As the Russians showed us in Afghanistan you cant always beat your enemy with a giant hammer.
Buy out politicians>large scale military action

[Someone With Mass]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
I don't think he understands you don't have to destroy you enemy to win,unconventional warefare is the way wars are fought.

As the Russians showed us in Afghanistan you cant always beat your enemy with a giant hammer.
Buy out politicians>large scale military action

I've noticed...

[Phaedon]

[quote]Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Excuse me, but it leaft me completey speachless...[/quote]
Considering that you have failed to produce a single argument against that, I am right, then.


[quote]I'm talking about a kill ratio, and fail to see how what you said makes any difference to the argument.[/quote]
Your kill ratio is completely made up. And it never took 10 ships to take down a Reaper.

[quote]Even an improvement of 1% is STILL an improvement, therefore it is an ehancement.
You're looking at this in a binary 1/0 fashion.[/quote]
Improvement over what? Weapon tech? Yes. Your odds? Nope, not at all. Absolutely not. 





[quote]And you know that how?
How about more powerfull kinetic barreier? Enhanced power generati0on? More efficient power conduits? Transistors? Emitters? Batteries?[/quote]
Easy. Did the Human Reaper have a kinetic barrier? Enhanced power? There's nothing wrong with the power generation in the ships, and it wouldn't matter even if the GARDIAN lasers used by the HR weren't underwhelming compared to an actual vessel. I sincerely hope that you are kidding by asking about human concepts later on.

[quote]You're so overlooking what technology encompases and how it is developed.....[/quote]
And you have yet to provide any useful technolodgy that could possibly come out of the base.



[quote]1) Gameplay and story segragation[/quote]
They appear in specific levels and in cutscenes which makes that irrelevant?

[quote]2) They're still only troopers. A thousands of them. How does that compare to BILLIONS of tropps the other races have? and far more important, their NAVIES?[/quote]
Are you kidding? No, no one has billions of soldiers, not Cerberus, not anyone. And navies? I thought that you were talking about improvements and kill ratio? If you were right,  you would be supplying Cerberus with the ability to take down fleets multiple times its size, but cause no harm to a Reaper fleet. Fortunately, you are wrong.

[quote]Please, tell me how do you expect Cerberus to take over the galaxy? With what navy? With what troops? Who will supply them?
Cerberus couldn't take and hold a single planet, let alone anything else![/quote]
Oh, Cerberus can develop a small army easily, and a small navy with anything out of that base, and yet, it's a bit amusing if you don't mind me saying as to how much you have missed my point.

TIM wants to take over the galaxy, or assist the Alliance (which would be infiltrated by Cerberus no less) into taking over the galaxy. How else could the base secure human domination beyond the Reapers? By its selective use of course, fortunately, TIM will never have the chance to go ahead with his plans in ME3.

Oh, and there goes the army, and navy, and supply thing. They have already infiltrated the Alliance to some extent, and are currently conducting various political assisanations to secure a good political climate. If TIM plays his cards right, he wouldn't have needed to use a single trooper.


[quote]

1) Tim is ****** poor comparted to the nations he's supposed to assault.[/quote]
Terrorists don't need an army. Especially Cerberus.

[quote]2) I recall no husks and scions production facilites on the base. [/quote]
OK, where do you recall any, then? Other than Dragon's Teeth laying around. Are you realizing what you are saying? The scions and the CB husks (Hint: Abominations, etc) are produced somewhere, by Collectors.

[quote]3) You cannot build an army easily, especially not out of thin air. They need training, equipment, supplies. You also need a sufficient number of recruits - somthing Cerberus certnaly lacks, being that it's a shadowy organization and all. A massive army is also something you cannot hide.[/quote]
Cerberus doesn't lack recruitment candidates, they lost dozens in ME1 (an entire cell) and they continued functioning properly. 

And if you had actually played the game you wouldn't say that either. Cerberus openly approached multiple candidates.

[quote]The bigges crutch of Cerberus is LOGISTICS. Look it up.[/quote]
They had no problem with spending billions of credits on the Lazarus Project itself, so try again. They have multiple succesful cover companies. If future economics work anything like today, then it's likely that some of them have more valuable assets than some nations. Look it up.

[quote]4) Only harmfull agaisnt your allies? BS. Cerberus is pho-human, not anti-alien. And ,ins't the Alliance your ally too? Doesn't Cerberus do everythnig to strengthen humanity?[/quote]
Two mistakes made by not watching the Destroy CB video as I said. We have already covered that. 

[quote]5) Cerberus has no navy. Space superiority. All the army in the world is useless if you can't deploy it.[/quote]
ME: Invasion says that that is BS.

[quote]6) CB's location is known to Shep. And it's static base that doesn't move. Any action agasint the allies by TIM and he'll have a fleet knocking on the front door, blowing it to smitherenes.[/quote]
Blowing what? Do you think that the equipment will stay there? Are you kidding? Oh yeah, you guys, let's blow up the empty base.

[quote]Want me to go on?[/quote]
Start by having valid arguments first. 




[quote]Going to war is quite different than resisting arrest. You calimed Cerberus would take over the galaxy...
Not ot mention, if they help defeat the reapers, would they still be a wanted organization?[/quote]
Cerberus? Not necessarily by themselves, going to war? They already have, you observant guy.

Resisting arrest still involves fighting back, by the way, you DON'T want that.


[quote]if they help defeat the reapers, would they still be a wanted organization?[/quote]
At no point will a democratic society praise child torturers, soldier killers and terrorists that's one of the things I am certain.

[quote]Do you know what domination means? Open the friggin dictionary!!!!
It's NOT what you think it is.[/quote]
Uh, I hate to break it to you, but:
[quote]domination [ˌdɒmɪˈneɪʃən]n1. the act of dominating or state of being dominated2. authority; rule; control[/quote]

And I am sure that the CB would allow for peaceful domination, sure.

[quote]Where the hell did you get the insane idea that Cerberus wishes to kill off alien races? From Miranda? Jacob? Kelly? Nope, everything they say indicates the opposite.[/quote]
Selected operatives to make Shepard feel comfortable, all of which praise you for destroying the base.


[quote]TIM? He deosn't say anything like that.[/quote]
Uh-huh, no matter the previous 5 posts I wasted explaining this. I am sure that after ensuring peaceful domination against the Reapers, he will also go ahead and ensure peaceful domination against everyone else. 




[quote]No, I mena I can't make sense of your sentance. It makes no sense gramaticyl...I can't parse it. You must have made a huge typo or something. Please repeat.[/quote]
Oh, boy, the irony.

[quote]Actually, I meant "destroy" the base. That's where the infamous "human domination" bit about "beyond the Reapers" comes in.[/quote]
Perfectly simple to understand.




[quote]Those ships are armed with standard wepons. Sovreign was attacked by a bunch of cruisers b.t.w.. The only DN, the Destiny Ascension, was out of battle.[/quote]
Nope.

Sovereign was attacked "by the entire Arcturus Fleet" it has been said that the only reason that dreadnaughts didn't make it in-game was because of technical difficulties, but story-wise, multiple dreadnaughts attacked Sovereign.


[quote]Not to metnion that the derelict reaper was hit with a MASS DRIVER. the same weapon every other ship uses. Only a lot bigger. Same principle. Death by a massive blow, or death from a thousand cuts - doesn't matter if youre dead.[/quote]
Mass WHAT?

If you are talking about mass accelerated projectile, I am not quite sure how to explain that to you... but I already di d several posts ago.




[quote]And no, there is no direct correlation between Shepaprd and shields dropping.[/quote]
Watch the actual cutscene before you make idiotic comments like this.




[quote]If Sovereign lost his shields due to loosing control of an avatar, then the repaers are the most pitiful opponent in history.

You're telling me thrri super-huge and super-advanced minds flipped out over that? My 10-year old PC could handle multi-tasking better![/quote]
Yes, I am sure that your 10-year-old PC can wirelessly command an a hybrid semi-organic structure. Watch the video. 




[quote]And I have provided why you're incorrect.
And what's with all teh TIM hate? My boy, if your'e tring to convince me you're unbiased - YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.[/quote]
TIM would kill millions of aliens to ensure human dominance. And before you claim to know what dominance means, tell us again, about how TIM would ensure human dominance against the Reapers.


[quote]Useless if you can't hurth them. Do they even have a homeworld? Would they even care?[/quote]
They started out of somewhere. And they need to recharge energy and resources after every cycle. Not going to work if you disable the portal and destroy their homeworld.


[quote]Useless. By your own argument, you can't hurt them.[/quote]
Reading a small sentence can't be that hard.

There are many ideas as to how to create superweapons. The allies would have their own.



[quote]They do very dangerous and risky reasearch. If you have proof other scientist would do better....please, forward it.[/quote]
Are you serious? I just mentioned an example of a doctor, for which it is very arguable whether he graduated elementary school or not. 

Scientists that can do better? Dangerous and risky research? When the hell was the same time something similar happenned with a governmental agency in human history?

[quote]adn why not? Because tehy would shoot down your bomb.[/quote]
Look up the word "undectable" please, which I used in my argument, or at least tell me this is a joke.

[quote]Because their armor could handle it. Becasue they are invulneralbe to anyting except to a weapon I deem should hurt them. (don't blame me, just following your logic here)[/quote]
Aha! And now I know you have never either played the games properly or listened to what I said.

The shields of Sovereign withstanded the combined attacks of two fleets, just try to remember how quickly the armor went down.

A nuke beneath the shields would do short work of any Reaper armor.



[quote]And you honestly think they'd be stupid enough to bite? That it would have any effect at all? That they have any need at ALL to even use avatars, once they are already there, wrecking your **** in person?[/quote]
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.

Even if they could idividually block every single signal and not turn down their communications systems completely (which would be a disaster for them), the action of having to block every single spam signal counts as a "spam" attack. 


[quote]TIM planned to save humanity with the CB. Thus it must have some base?
Silly argument. [/quote]
Which is why I actually investigated the possibility of saving the base. And declined it, due to the lack of any useful technolodgy.

I could do the same with the SB tech,



[quote]Not to mention that you 'd first have to find it and then research it..whatever it is. Which would cost you a lot mor time than jsut researching the CB..it's already there, you found it. no time wasted searching.
Adn it would still have better tech...[/quote]

Except that it is likely that the SB has already found it. And no, I wouldn't spend any time, Shepard is a soldier, don't be silly.

And no, Prothean tech is much less complicated than Reaper one.


[quote]Dear Lord...the ignorance is HURTING ME!

How the hell do you come to the conclusio nthere tehre is no reaper tech in the CB, when there is a reaper being built there? What's it being built with? Vacuum?[/quote]
Except that you DON'T have a Reaper there. You have a Reaper lavra without any main gun, barrier or other protection.

[quote]How do you build repear tech without reaper tech???? Please, answer me this logic bomb![/quote]
More like reading comprehension failure "The "Reaper tech" hardly existed in the CB, looking at the state of the HR. That doesn't offer anything useful." all the Reaper tech that existed was for turning humans into goo and creating a Reaper lavra that is useless at that state, of course.



[quote]Why do you assume they have?
And why do you assume tehy have better mass relay manipulation tech then the Reapers, the reace that BUILT THEM????[/quote]
...because manipulating the mass relays, not getting to their destination, and shooting objects to anyone trying to pass the mass relays is absolutely counter-productive to their goal, which is to get past the mass relays?

[Phaedon]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Respect for you? Gone..A shame man. I used to think you were reasonable. Now I see I was wrong.

Let me point yout your fallacy that size = technology. That bigger things MUST be stuffed with better tech. Which is totally absured and everyone knows it.

Oh God, please stop.

You are claiming than an incomplete Reaper has more tech than a complete one. Start making some sense.

And again, your'e so overlookign what technology is all about and how it develops. Technology is not jsut a gun or armor. There's a lot more to it that influences every part of the ship. not to emtnion technology is nota straight part. It has multi-use and is inter-connected.

Which is? And what part of it is useful to us? How does it defeat the Reapers in any way?

A more advanced capacitor doesn't sound as exciting as a new gun, but that same capacitor CAN be used to make severl other enhancements..INCLUDING a abetter gun. Capiche?

...capacitators have nothing to do with making guns or making better guns. 

They simply store energy, which may then be used for a weapon.

I'll go ahead and state this as simply as I can. If, of all places, the central capacitator was placed in the lavra for some reason that makes no sense, the Human Reaper obviously couldn't use it, or it wasn't that impressive, because the directed ENERGY weapon that he used was comparable to three occuli together. Not good for a cruiser or a frigate, let alone a dreadnaught.

[Shimmer_Gloom]

I saw the Collector Base as an asset to the Reapers and (to a lesser extent) Cerberus. At this point in the game, Cerberus is less and less useful to me. At this point I have to start thinking of my own agenda which is not necessarily the same as Cerberus.

I'm straight Paragon. And I hate what they did to me. We were always going to part ways. So, do I leave this potentially powerful tech in the hands of Cerberus and/or (and this is the more important point) available to be taken back by the Reapers when they show up?

Nope. No sir. I fought hard to get that base. I lost some men. I'm not going to hand it to my enemy, not either of them. Its a valid military tactic: if one does not have the resources to HOLD a captured enemy asset, scuttle it.

I couldn't do anything with the base. And I'm not giving it to TIM. Or letting the Reapers get it back from TIM's weak grasp. So. Bye-bye base.

This is just my thoughts.

[Someone With Mass]

Phaedon wrote...
Terrorists don't need an army. Especially Cerberus.

Uh-oh.

Prepare for rage.

[pablodurando]

I love Cerberus, I know that they'll do whatever it takes to bring down all enemies to humanity, so why not give them the base. If I can aid Cerberus and synchronously humanity then I'm all for the decision. It's a valid military tactic to not blow up what could be a future asset in what is a major war. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just kidding themselves into appeasing their morals. Base=more innovation in the future as we get to see first hand what the Reapers are able to manufacture.

[efrgfhnm_]

Umm, I think keeping the Collector Base only makes sense from the POV of a Shepard supporting Cerberus, and clearly by now from a metagaming perspective or Paragon, it makes no sense. Even when you think about it hard you can tell it wouldn't make any sense, since the Collectors aren't going to be provided with any tech that could harm Reapers, since they would deem it unnecesary because we organics are so low and everything. The comparative weakness of the Collector ship and the Human Reaper also point to the base providing nothing of any value to the war effort
By the way, these wall of text arguments between are quite impressive, especially how they're so completely one-sided. I'm also getting the impression this topic is gonna get closed as well haha....

Modifié par efrgfhnm , 30 juillet 2011 - 11:26 .

[AlanC9]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Protip: If you want me to ever take you seriously, Lotion, stop overusing smileys like some twelve year old that just found out about chat rooms.

And if you mean something else than you've written in your comments, feel free to write it down instead of coming up with it later and pretend you know better just because you can't word your opinion correctly.

You're not a pro, so your tips are menaing less to me. And I'll use as many smileyes as I want, when I want.
What you think of me is completely irrelveant to me.

And don't be mad you just got owned bro...It happens to the best of us.

Dude, he's got a point. A whole row of smileys looks juvenile. Unless you actually are only 12 or so, this isn't a habit you want to keep.

[pablodurando]

efrgfhnm wrote...

Umm, I think keeping the Collector Base only makes sense from the POV of a Shepard supporting Cerberus, and clearly by now from a metagaming perspective or Paragon, it makes no sense. Even when you think about it hard you can tell it wouldn't make any sense, since the Collectors aren't going to be provided with any tech that could harm Reapers, since they would deem it unnecesary because we organics are so low and everything. The comparative weakness of the Collector ship and the Human Reaper also point to the base providing nothing of any value to the war effort

I don't find it useless, the base was built by the Reapers, so it makes a great place to study indoctrination and certain Reaper technology that was impleneted by the Reapers for the Collectors to use.  It could lead to great technological innovation for man in the future.  I don't save it for the war, I save it for the future.

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Phaedon wrote...
Terrorists don't need an army. Especially Cerberus.

Uh-oh.

Prepare for rage.

Then I wonder what you call those people wearing Cerberus armor that work in organized groups and roam the galaxy with seemingly unlimited numbers. Because that's what they have to be for us to fight them for 60% of the game.