FYI, it's "she."Longsword-83 wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
Why do you believe I'm misguided for having my favor lie slightly with the asari?
It indicates a lack of any desire for procreation and self-preservation. These are essential traits which allowed humanity to survive. Organisms which don't have them die out.
Wait, he doesn't want to continue the legacy of humanity just because he treats the asari as equals?
I don't think that's how it works.
Den of Delusions - The morality discussion topic
#2551
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:43
#2552
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:44
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Xilizhra wrote...
The way the whole melding thing works is that part of me will live on in Liara...
No, it won't. This is a stated fact in the ME universe. You impart nothing to the asari. Nothing.
Go read the codex if you don't believe me, or better yet, talk to the bartender (the Matriarch one).
#2553
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:45
Don't let the anti-humans fool you. Us paragons can be just as pro-human as a Renegade. Of the rational ones, there are relatively small differences in opinion that result in drastically different in-game action due to how the game was designed.Longsword-83 wrote...
Huh. Just realized something about myself.
I'm normally a full Paragon player, but here I am endorsing the idea of Human superiority.
Guess I'm a little Renegade after all.
#2554
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:46
Oddly enough, in certain context, it is...Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Being reasonable is apparently trollingSandTrout wrote...
You should be careful who you're criticisizing and why, Lotion. On a forum, your reputation is all you have, after all.
#2555
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:47
Not genetically, but in a part of my mind being preserved in her own memories.Saphra Deden wrote...
Xilizhra wrote...
The way the whole melding thing works is that part of me will live on in Liara...
No, it won't. This is a stated fact in the ME universe. You impart nothing to the asari. Nothing.
Go read the codex if you don't believe me, or better yet, talk to the bartender (the Matriarch one).
#2556
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:48
I'm still having trouble swallowing that; I've always seen Saph as a guy...Xilizhra wrote...
FYI, it's "she."
Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 août 2011 - 05:48 .
#2557
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:48
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Xilizhra wrote...
Not genetically, but in a part of my mind being preserved in her own memories.
Uh, sure, until she dies.
A picture would last longer.
#2558
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:49
Because of the name calling?Kaiser Shepard wrote...
I'm still having trouble swallowing that; I've always seen Saph as a guy...Xilizhra wrote...
FYI, it's "she."
Perhaps the immaturity?
Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 août 2011 - 05:49 .
#2559
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:50
SandTrout wrote...
You should be careful who you're criticisizing and why, Lotion. On a forum, your reputation is all you have, after all.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Saphra Deden wrote...
Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...
Reasonable debate is accepting BOTH sides of the argument as plausable,but disagreeing
No, it isn't. You don't have to accept an argument as plausible/reasonable if it is not plausible/reasonable.
Shh...don't tell H_T that.
It might cause an aunerism when he/she tries to figure it out...
Meh... I frequent many forums and my reputation is prefectly fine.
And if on some forum my reputation were to drop. So what?
Reputation is basicly "what other people tell others about you". If there's quite a few "other people" that are stupid or just don't like you, bad rep may spread, deserved or not.
I'm only concerned about what people I respect say about me. The oppinions of everyone else are irrelevant.
Not to mention that I mostly come here to see if there's any news, and sometimes if I'm bored. So I'm not worried..at all.
#2560
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:50
Oops. Sorry, I was talking about me. I'm reasonably sure Saph is male.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
I'm still having trouble swallowing that; I've always seen Saph as a guy...Xilizhra wrote...
FYI, it's "she."
#2561
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:50
#2562
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:51
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Someone With Mass wrote...
If you don't help the aliens, why the hell should they help you?
'cause if they don't they're all going to die. Either by the Reaper's hand, or by mine.
#2563
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:52
SandTrout wrote...
Don't let the anti-humans fool you. Us paragons can be just as pro-human as a Renegade. Of the rational ones, there are relatively small differences in opinion that result in drastically different in-game action due to how the game was designed.Longsword-83 wrote...
Huh. Just realized something about myself.
I'm normally a full Paragon player, but here I am endorsing the idea of Human superiority.
Guess I'm a little Renegade after all.
I never undersand why people define themselves as "paragon" or "renegade". It's very...limited and shoe-horned...artificial you might say.
#2564
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:52
Wait, you're a woman as well? My entire world is falling down around me...Xilizhra wrote...
Oops. Sorry, I was talking about me. I'm reasonably sure Saph is male.Kaiser Shepard wrote...
I'm still having trouble swallowing that; I've always seen Saph as a guy...Xilizhra wrote...
FYI, it's "she."
#2565
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:55
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I never undersand why people define themselves as "paragon" or "renegade". It's very...limited and shoe-horned...artificial you might say.
I don't really set out to be Renegade, but the fact is I wind up making almost exclusively Renegade choices and picking Renegade dialogue, and I agree with the overall Renegade philosophy... so I suppose that is what I am.
#2566
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:58
It's just a means of quickly communicating the majority of choices that they've made in game. I, for instance, don't really hold myself to being a paragon, even though my personal canon falls into that category.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
I never undersand why people define themselves as "paragon" or "renegade". It's very...limited and shoe-horned...artificial you might say.
I think that its funny that a lot of people on the boards not familiar with me guess that I'm a Renegade because I present logical arguments, though. I think it says a lot about them.
#2567
Posté 15 août 2011 - 05:58
Saphra Deden wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
If you don't help the aliens, why the hell should they help you?
'cause if they don't they're all going to die. Either by the Reaper's hand, or by mine.
From the sounds of it, you wanted to kill them anyway, so no difference there...
#2568
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:00
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
SalsaDMA wrote...
From the sounds of it, you wanted to kill them anyway, so no difference there...
Kill? Nah. Well, the asari maybe. I see no reason to engage in active extermination of the others. That would just be too time consuming and cause too many problems on many fronts.
I just want humans to have as much power as possible to keep them as free as possible from alien influence.
#2569
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:00
I'm also a greatest good kind of guy, and some of the renegade choices are clearly greatest good.
Modifié par In Exile, 15 août 2011 - 06:01 .
#2570
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:06
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Meh... I frequent many forums and my reputation is prefectly fine.
The only forum in which I ever cared about my reputation was one in which posters could rate every post other posters made. If your rating got too low your posts would fail to show up for most people.
In my experience though people tend to rate down (or rate up) based on how much they like an opinion without any regard to how it is presented.
It this tendency that utlimately convinced me to dispense with trying to be polite and civil most of the time since it doesn't really matter.
Thankfully BSN has no such feature else I suspect most naysayers would have been muzzled long ago.
#2571
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:06
Reapers aren't an alien influence, then?Saphra Deden wrote...
I just want humans to have as much power as possible to keep them as free as possible from alien influence.
#2572
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:10
Guest_Saphra Deden_*
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Reapers aren't an alien influence, then?
They are. I'd prefer it if we destroyed the Reapers utterly and then repurposed their technology to suit our own needs.
However I just don't think that's a realistic outcome. So I'm left with a choice: total extinction or the repurposing of the human species into a new entity. I'll go with the new entity since it is at least something of humanity that will live on. Better that than broken plastic shards thinly strewn across a fossil bed.
#2573
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:14
#2574
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:17
I'd actually agree that Reaper > Extinction. However, I apparently view our chances against the Reapers as greater than you do. If it comes to the point where our extinction is garaunteed, I would surrender to the Reapers. Available data, however, does not reflect a near 100% (IE: 99.9%) chance of loosing to the Reapers.Saphra Deden wrote...
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
Reapers aren't an alien influence, then?
They are. I'd prefer it if we destroyed the Reapers utterly and then repurposed their technology to suit our own needs.
However I just don't think that's a realistic outcome. So I'm left with a choice: total extinction or the repurposing of the human species into a new entity. I'll go with the new entity since it is at least something of humanity that will live on. Better that than broken plastic shards thinly strewn across a fossil bed.
Even if we have a 5% chance of victory, the risk-benefit analysis of fighting the Reapers favors fighting. I consider continuing as a species 1000 times better of a scenario than becoming a Reaper.
#2575
Posté 15 août 2011 - 06:18
Saphra Deden wrote...
They are. I'd prefer it if we destroyed the Reapers utterly and then repurposed their technology to suit our own needs.
Doesn't that end with us as reaper slushee anyway?





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