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Saphra is my Cerberus blood sister, of course I have her back.

Apparently... I'm still not convinced, but I'm sure that will come.

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Since when is Saphra a she?

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Seboist wrote...

Since when is Saphra a she?

Since forever,we have been adressing her as such for quite some time.

ma'am. B)



Warning: Saphra Deden is known for indiscriminate target aquisition.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 août 2011 - 10:48 .


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Seboist wrote...

Saphra makes good points, a bunch of sons in here need to show some respect.


Saphra seems a reasonable person when talking about the Collector base decision, but the drivel about submitting to the Reapers is just worthy of a tactical facepalm. And it makes Cerberus look bad.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Saphra makes good points, a bunch of sons in here need to show some respect.


Saphra seems a reasonable person when talking about the Collector base decision, but the drivel about submitting to the Reapers is just worthy of a tactical facepalm. And it makes Cerberus look bad.

To alot of people Cerberus does a good enough job of making themselves look bad,but Saphra isn't doing anyone any favors.

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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Saphra makes good points, a bunch of sons in here need to show some respect.


Saphra seems a reasonable person when talking about the Collector base decision, but the drivel about submitting to the Reapers is just worthy of a tactical facepalm. And it makes Cerberus look bad.

To alot of people Cerberus does a good enough job of making themselves look bad,but Saphra isn't doing anyone any favors.


Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.

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Zulu_DFA wrote...

Saphra seems a reasonable person when talking about the Collector base decision, but the drivel about submitting to the Reapers is just worthy of a tactical facepalm. And it makes Cerberus look bad.


You look the same with your greedy plans to abandon Earth and somehow maintain humanity's status as a major galactic power.


Really, Zulu, you of all people should understand the possibilities of transhumanism. I can't believe you are as stuck on naive "hope" as everyone else.

Modifié par Saphra Deden, 15 août 2011 - 11:08 .


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Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.


No, that's just because I think Cerberus' goals are delusional at best.

And they haven't proven that they're worthy or control the power they're trying to claim. Not by a long shot.
So I'll let the rest of the galaxy prosper while Cerberus will be collecting dust and soon be forgotten.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.


No, that's just because I think Cerberus' goals are delusional at best.

And they haven't proven that they're worthy or control the power they're trying to claim. Not by a long shot.
So I'll let the rest of the galaxy prosper while Cerberus will be collecting dust and soon be forgotten.


Strength for Cerberus is strength for every human. It's sad to see that your love of Tali has made you turn your back on your own people.

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To alot of people Cerberus does a good enough job of making themselves look bad,but Saphra isn't doing anyone any favors.

Those people are silly.

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Seboist wrote...



Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.


Isn't it actually human dominance not human rights, i mean they aren't the same thing.

Paragon or renegede cerberus look bad because of their actions, morality wise can be debated because not everyone shares the same morals, but competence wise they've been repeatedly shown as incompentent in a lot of ways.

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Strength for Cerberus is strength for every human. It's sad to see that your love of Tali has made you turn your back on your own people.


It's sad to see that your love for TIM have made you resistant to logic and reason, because Cerberus is better at killing humans than any other alien race out there, with the exception of the Reapers. 

By the way, I have yet to see the humans make good use of the so called strength of Cerberus.

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To use a certain quote I had in my sig for months:

"Take the risk or don't take the risk. That's what it's about."

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 15 août 2011 - 11:14 .


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alperez wrote...

Seboist wrote...



Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.


Isn't it actually human dominance not human rights, i mean they aren't the same thing.

Paragon or renegede cerberus look bad because of their actions, morality wise can be debated because not everyone shares the same morals, but competence wise they've been repeatedly shown as incompentent in a lot of ways.


Human dominance and human rights are one in the same. Human dominance ensures that our rights won't be dictated by hostile aliens.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Strength for Cerberus is strength for every human. It's sad to see that your love of Tali has made you turn your back on your own people.


It's sad to see that your love for TIM have made you resistant to logic and reason, because Cerberus is better at killing humans than any other alien race out there, with the exception of the Reapers. 

By the way, I have yet to see the humans make good use of the so called strength of Cerberus.


Uh did you miss ME2? Also the turians, batarians and history would easily beat out deaths done by Cerberus.

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alperez wrote...

Isn't it actually human dominance not human rights, i mean they aren't the same thing.

Paragon or renegede cerberus look bad because of their actions, morality wise can be debated because not everyone shares the same morals, but competence wise they've been repeatedly shown as incompentent in a lot of ways.


I see how people come to that conclusion but I'm not convinced. Frankly, so far nobody in the galaxy has struck me as particularly competent. Not even Shepard, really. Shepard is just very lucky and very hard to kill.

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[quote]Someone With Mass wrote...

[quote]Seboist wrote...

Strength for Cerberus is strength for every human. It's sad to see that your love of Tali has made you turn your back on your own people.

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[quote]It's sad to see that your love for TIM have made you resistant to logic and reason, because Cerberus is better at killing humans than any other alien race out there, with the exception of the Reapers. [/quote]

Cerberus hasn't killed any more humans than the three mercenary groups, the Turians or the Batarians. That's a blatant lie.

[quote]By the way, I have yet to see the humans make good use of the so called strength of Cerberus.
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The Normandy, EDI, Arc Projector,Lazarus,etc to name but a few. :happy:

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Seboist wrote...


Human dominance and human rights are one in the same. Human dominance ensures that our rights won't be dictated by hostile aliens.


Yes those hostile aliens that are keeping us down and denying us our human rights, just who exactly are they again?

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Cerberus has succeeded at making some damn cool armor, at least.

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alperez wrote...

Yes those hostile aliens that are keeping us down and denying us our human rights, just who exactly are they again?


The Council. Batarians. Geth. Collectors. Reapers.

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alperez wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Human dominance and human rights are one in the same. Human dominance ensures that our rights won't be dictated by hostile aliens.


Yes those hostile aliens that are keeping us down and denying us our human rights, just who exactly are they again?


The three council races whose hegemony dictated humanity to follow their lead, the Geth, the Reapers and the Batarians to name but a few.

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Saphra Deden wrote...


I see how people come to that conclusion but I'm not convinced. Frankly, so far nobody in the galaxy has struck me as particularly competent. Not even Shepard, really. Shepard is just very lucky and very hard to kill.


True, not everyone in the galaxy comes across as competent, the problem is not everyone in the galaxy comes across as incompetent as cereberus does, rightly or wrongly thus far cerberus have been painted as incompetent more times than competent, as for Shepard what's that old saying "its better to be lucky than good".

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Seboist wrote...

Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.

Don't get snippy with me fleshling.


I made a statement,it is very easy to form an opinion that Cerberus is full of fail.

Also,attacking Tali,mature.

Also, Human rights and Human dominance are not the same.

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 15 août 2011 - 11:25 .


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Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Seboist wrote...

Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.

Don't get snippy with me fleshling.


I made a statement,it is very easy to form an opinion that Cerberus is full of fail.


Not full of fail just above norm.

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HomelessGal wrote...

Cerberus has succeeded at making some damn cool armor, at least.

As well as some nice weaponry, plus the Hammerhead.