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[legion999]

alperez wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Terra Firma has extreme elements but they're not anti-alien.

Not as an organisation no, but the fact they attract racists and xenophobes and do noting when these people make anti alien comments, shows they are as guilty as anyone who spouts anti human rhethoric,which was kinda the point.

Any type of organisation attracts extremists though. The fact remains that politicians openly campaign as anti human despite us saving them. Does the council clamp down on them? Of course not.

[Someone With Mass]

legion999 wrote...

Any type of organisation attracts extremists though. The fact remains that politicians openly campaign as anti human despite us saving them. Does the council clamp down on them? Of course not.

Why should they? They didn't stop Terra Firma's obnoxious idiocy.

[ThePwener]

Seboist wrote...

Batarians have grievences with the council just like we do. We can negotiate colonization rights in exchange for their support against the citadel races and them putting an end to supporting attacks on our colonies.

Negotiate? Like they did in "Galaxy" ? No thanks. Batarians hate everyone and humans in particular. I smiled at the end of Arrival and would divert Reaper fleets to them happily.

Maybe we can coax them to stop, maybe we can't. I really don't care. Im going to do everything I can to wipe them out.

They started this fight, and Shepard is ending it.

Modifié par ThePwener, 15 août 2011 - 11:58 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Seboist wrote...

I did mention them.

I know, those he should have complained about, not the batarians.

[alperez]

ThePwener wrote...


You're talking out of your ass. They ENCOURAGED us and then turned they're backs when we needed help. They're not worth the benevolence paragons held them in. They're crooked politicians with little regard for anyone but themselves.

Paragons are fools who see the good in everyone when in reality there isn't any. Not once have they showed care and patience for Shepard or Humanity. They even regret making Humanity a Council race. It wasn't wirth saving them  in ME1, it's not worth it now.

They encouraged others also, does this mean they specifically picked on us and didn't place us on an equal footing, so try and get your facts straight before going on a mini rant against someone.

We were encouraged but we were also warned of the dangers as well, we can't accept the first part and ignore the second part as much as you'd like it to be.

This btw isn't a paragon or renegede argument, its an argument to dispute a point.

[Zulu_DFA]

Davie McG wrote...

Torture is a major human rights violation, no matter what your reason for doing it is.

First, tell that to Guantanamo inmates.

Second, it's the 22nd century, and pain is officially an illusion.

So yeah, human rights have evolved, adapting to the environment (you know, aliens, hostile genocidal AIs, stuff like that). Law of nature.

Modifié par Zulu_DFA, 16 août 2011 - 12:02 .

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Why should they? They didn't stop Terra Firma's obnoxious idiocy.

They're a rich independent entity outside the Alliance. Dealing with them would be catastrophic for them. But the anti-Human politicians are in the citadel, trying to reach positions IN the Citadel. That they can stop. Have they? No.

[legion999]

alperez wrote...

legion999 wrote...


I'm not talking about the council not helping our colonies. I can't remember who said it but the council wants us to colonise the terminus systems. Despite this they refuse to believe Saren who's obviously anti human would attack Eden Prime.

Without evidence why should they believe that one of their most respected spectres would attack Eden prime and what exactly happened the moment you had this evidence, did they ignore it or accept it.

As for the terminus systems they also encouraged other races to colonise it, so wheres the non equal footing we're been put on.

They never encouraged other species. And yes they do believe you when you get concrete evidence. But they completely dismiss the possibility of Saren even thinking of attacking Eden Prime.

[Sundance31us]

"The universe is driven by the complex interaction between three ingredients: matter, energy, and enlightened self-interest."- G'Kar 

[alperez]

legion999 wrote...


Any type of organisation attracts extremists though. The fact remains that politicians openly campaign as anti human despite us saving them. Does the council clamp down on them? Of course not.

And there are humans who openly campaign as anti alien who also are not been clamped down upon, sounds like equal footing to me.

[Someone With Mass]

ThePwener wrote...
They're a rich independent entity outside the Alliance. Dealing with them would be catastrophic for them. But the anti-Human politicians are in the citadel, trying to reach positions IN the Citadel. That they can stop. Have they? No.

Again. Why should they?

[ThePwener]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I did mention them.

I know, those he should have complained about, not the batarians.

Why?

[Davie McG]

Seboist wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

Seboist wrote...


Cerberus works for human rights,interests and survival. They only look bad to hypocrite paragons who enjoy playing space gestapo for a an alien racial caste clique while deluding themselves into thinking they have the moral high ground.

The last two I can't argue with, but seriously? Cerberus? For human rights? Torturing Paul Greyson and injecting children with with illegal drugs, to me at least, doesn't sound like the actions of a group that stands up for human rights. Torture is a major human rights violation, no matter what your reason for doing it is.

Cerberus is an organisation that is all about the advancement of human interests and domination at any cost. Not about maintaining peoples human rights.

Human dominance ensures our rights against hostile alien forces.

Except for the human right to live without fear of torture, or the human right to live without fear of kidnap, or murder.

Human dominance may stop the Batarians, or anyone else, from enslaving us but they themselves don't seem to mind violating our human rights so long as it benefits them. Therefore they are not a pro human rights group, just an anti-alien dominance group (or pro human dominance if you want to look it that way).

[ThePwener]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
They're a rich independent entity outside the Alliance. Dealing with them would be catastrophic for them. But the anti-Human politicians are in the citadel, trying to reach positions IN the Citadel. That they can stop. Have they? No.

Again. Why should they?

Did you seriously just ask that? The Alliance saves them sacrificing thousends of human lives and they won't?

Seriously, stop acting like a blind stubborn moron.

^Shepard quote

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

@pwener I don't think Shepard says the word seriously ever.

[legion999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

legion999 wrote...

Any type of organisation attracts extremists though. The fact remains that politicians openly campaign as anti human despite us saving them. Does the council clamp down on them? Of course not.

Why should they? They didn't stop Terra Firma's obnoxious idiocy.

Like I said Terra Firma attracts extemists like most other organisations. Their policy isn't radical it sadly has a bunch of idiots attracted to it.

[alperez]

legion999 wrote...


They never encouraged other species. And yes they do believe you when you get concrete evidence. But they completely dismiss the possibility of Saren even thinking of attacking Eden Prime.

They dismiss the possibility of Saren attacking Eden prime until you reveal the evidence, after that it becomes a different issue.

Other species have colonised the terminus systems, so considering they encouraged humans to do so, it stands to reason they more than likely did the same with other species also.

[legion999]

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
They're a rich independent entity outside the Alliance. Dealing with them would be catastrophic for them. But the anti-Human politicians are in the citadel, trying to reach positions IN the Citadel. That they can stop. Have they? No.

Again. Why should they?

Because we stopped the council from dying. Saved the citadel from Sovereign.

[ThePwener]

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

@pwener I don't think Shepard says the word seriously ever.

You obviously did not play ME1.... he says it in the Normandy before meeting Anderson in Flux. You need a LI for it.

[ThePwener]

legion999 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

ThePwener wrote...
They're a rich independent entity outside the Alliance. Dealing with them would be catastrophic for them. But the anti-Human politicians are in the citadel, trying to reach positions IN the Citadel. That they can stop. Have they? No.

Again. Why should they?

Because we stopped the council from dying. Saved the citadel from Sovereign.

Technically they think that it was a Geth invasion. So we saved the Citadel from a Geth takeover led by a rogue Spector..... *sigh*

[Davie McG]

Zulu_DFA wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

Torture is a major human rights violation, no matter what your reason for doing it is.

First, tell that to Guantanamo inmates.

Second, it's the 22nd century, and pain is officially an illusion.

So yeah, human rights have evolved, adapting to the environment (you know, aliens, hostile genocidal AIs, stuff like that). Law of nature.

It doesn't matter who you are. If your human, you have certain human rights. Doesn't matter if your a pedophile or a murderer or a mass murderer or Osama Bin Laden or the little old lady down the street, if your human you have the right to be free of torture. 

Besides, it's a well known fact that torture is a sh¡t means of extracting reliable information, people will admit to anything under torture whether they did it or not. If it worked every police department in the world would use it.

Anyway, I refuse to be pulled into a debate about real world politics, this is a Mass Effect forum. 

[Someone With Mass]

ThePwener wrote...
Did you seriously just ask that? The Alliance saves them sacrificing thousends of human lives and they won't?

Seriously, stop acting like a blind stubborn moron.

^Shepard quote

To them, that's not a big deal. At all.

They have the right to express their thoughts just as much as humans do.

And really, I can understand them a lot better than the group of lobotomized retards that calls themselves Terra Firma, which can't even distinguish different colors, judging by their ludicrous babble about the color of blood.

Because to the aliens, humanity swooped in and demanded to be a part of everything immediately without even proving that they can handle themselves first.

[legion999]

alperez wrote...

legion999 wrote...


They never encouraged other species. And yes they do believe you when you get concrete evidence. But they completely dismiss the possibility of Saren even thinking of attacking Eden Prime.

They dismiss the possibility of Saren attacking Eden prime until you reveal the evidence, after that it becomes a different issue.

Other species have colonised the terminus systems, so considering they encouraged humans to do so, it stands to reason they more than likely did the same with other species also.

That's the point they can't even imagine Saren would do it.

Also what species have colonised the Terminus Systems anyway? The Elcor have at least one but that is protected by mercs and bribes and not the elcor themselves. Humans colonise the most but the council gives no help even with non-colonial matters.

[ThePwener]

Davie McG wrote...

It doesn't matter who you are. If your human, you have certain human rights. Doesn't matter if your a pedophile or a murderer or a mass murderer or Osama Bin Laden or the little old lady down the street, if your human you have the right to be free of torture. 

I disagree 100%.

[Kaiser Shepard]

ThePwener wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Seboist wrote...

I did mention them.

I know, those he should have complained about, not the batarians.

Why?

Because the bats are superior to each of those.

THAT INCLUDES THE QUARIANS, YOU XEN-LOVERS!

*ahem*